How Will Beto Find my AR?

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Beto said over the weekend that he would impose fines to compel people to turn in their AR. With no searchable ATF database, how will the feds be fining people?

Most of the guns I've bought have come from three dealers that have long since gone out of business. Their records are sitting in West Virginia in boxes stored in shipping containers or have been scanned to microfilm that is non-searchable by keyword. Agents have to view images of dealer records to find the sales of a particular gun.

Are they going to take my word that my semiautomatic rifles and shotguns were destroyed in a house fire? I have a pic of a shotgun barrel that turned up when the excavator was loading the rubble into trucks.
 

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Beto said over the weekend that he would impose fines to compel people to turn in their AR. With no searchable ATF database, how will the feds be fining people?

Most of the guns I've bought have come from three dealers that have long since gone out of business. Their records are sitting in West Virginia in boxes stored in shipping containers or have been scanned to microfilm that is non-searchable by keyword. Agents have to view images of dealer records to find the sales of a particular gun.

Are they going to take my word that my semiautomatic rifles and shotguns were destroyed in a house fire? I have a pic of a shotgun barrel that turned up when the excavator was loading the rubble into trucks.
The likelihood of that coming to fruition is about as likely as him becoming the Democratic nominee for president which stands at 3%.
 
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If they make possession of a designated "Assult rifle" a felony with a mandatory minimum sentence they would accomplish the same thing. They could find the probable cause (or they would call it that) on SM to come to your house and kick the door down.
 

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Of course there is a database lol. Every time you buy a firearm from an FFL, what’s called in and to who? If you did a personal sale, then who has the record that they sold it to you?

Ignoring all of that, everything you do online is logged and tagged. Every website you visit, every article you click/share/like, each comment you post, all of it gets recorded and sold for marketing/advertising research.

The ones they don’t have a record of are the ones who aren’t online, live alone, and only have firearms that have been handed down from generation to generation.

The whole “oh that burned up in a fire” or “I was out fishing and dropped it in the water when I was fighting a shark” isn’t going to work.

Social media and the algorithms/programs used within it, effect everyone, and not just those who have an online presence. Apps (applications not appetizers lol) gain access to people’s pictures, contacts, and social media accounts every day. Even if you don’t have the app, because you’re friends online or in that person’s phone, that app now has your info.

Pictures of you saved in a friend’s phone from when you went shooting, or that picture you sent him with the caption #YoDawgCheckOutMyNewSafe #PreparedForZombies #NoStepOnSnek showing off your new bump stock and triple laser light slippery triggered AR....Yea a corporation has those. Not because of anything you did, but because you were a contact in their phone.

It’s 2019. If you have anything other than a Nokia brick phone and stack of stamps/envelopes, you don’t have privacy and have an electronic record of everything you do. ...so yea there’s plenty of databases out there that show what you have and that you have it.

...and if you think a corporation having your info is better than a govt entity having it...who do you think they’ll sell it to? Everything is a business and nothing is free.
 

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This is a sobering and thought provoking read.

Sobering to see your follow citizens think so less of you to turn America into a dictatorship, but that's what will happen because all democracies in the end turn into dictatorships. Since your Country turned on us there would be no reason to be a Patriot for it anymore, one would have to hope to make alliances with other countries who would support rebels in our new wasteland. America has outfitted rebels across the globe with fully automatic rifles and a host of other goodies to fight the corrupt regimes, this would be payback for those other countries to return the favor.
 

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Of course there is a database lol. Every time you buy a firearm from an FFL, what’s called in and to who? If you did a personal sale, then who has the record that they sold it to you?

Ignoring all of that, everything you do online is logged and tagged. Every website you visit, every article you click/share/like, each comment you post, all of it gets recorded and sold for marketing/advertising research.

The ones they don’t have a record of are the ones who aren’t online, live alone, and only have firearms that have been handed down from generation to generation.

The whole “oh that burned up in a fire” or “I was out fishing and dropped it in the water when I was fighting a shark” isn’t going to work.

Social media and the algorithms/programs used within it, effect everyone, and not just those who have an online presence. Apps (applications not appetizers lol) gain access to people’s pictures, contacts, and social media accounts every day. Even if you don’t have the app, because you’re friends online or in that person’s phone, that app now has your info.

Pictures of you saved in a friend’s phone from when you went shooting, or that picture you sent him with the caption #YoDawgCheckOutMyNewSafe #PreparedForZombies #NoStepOnSnek showing off your new bump stock and triple laser light slippery triggered AR....Yea a corporation has those. Not because of anything you did, but because you were a contact in their phone.

It’s 2019. If you have anything other than a Nokia brick phone and stack of stamps/envelopes, you don’t have privacy and have an electronic record of everything you do. ...so yea there’s plenty of databases out there that show what you have and that you have it.

...and if you think a corporation having your info is better than a govt entity having it...who do you think they’ll sell it to? Everything is a business and nothing is free.

The private company and their marriage to government is the Constitutional work around.

Govt might say "I cant do this" in regards to your privacy.

Google steps in and says "Don't worry they gave us permission in the user agreement, hear is what you seek"

Which is why everything currently going on regards the soft coup or the Russian collusion, or stormy Daniels or whatever is all BS.

Some big NSA server complex has all the answers if they were needed.

It just wont happen because it would ruin this theatre of the absurd.
 

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This is a sobering and thought provoking read.

You got that right... It’s the reality of the modern age...
 

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This is a sobering and thought provoking read.

There's never any mention of the personal reprisals that will follow actions such as those listed in that article.

When someone feels he's cornered and has nothing to lose, he becomes extremely dangerous. When he finds like minded individuals, an extremely dangerous group is born.

Dangerous to whom? That is a question to be answered at a later time and place.
 

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Tennessee is a little different than most states. We do not ask the federal government permission and they do not conduct a background check when we buy firearms. When you buy a gun in Tennessee local agents at the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation conduct the check then, long after the sale is completed, they notify the feds that the TBI approved your sale. The federal government has no clue what is being bought until you have already walked away with your gun.

Tennessee and the ATF were at odds over this for a long time. The ATF was refusing to approve new FFL applications at one point over it. Tennessee never backed down and to this day it is the TBI who approves gun sales, not the federal government.
 

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This is a sobering and thought provoking read.

Interesting article but not likely to occur. It is impractical to implement and execute. I do agree that FUDDS and Cucks which infiltrate our ranks will be handing things over in rapid succession.

However, historical data from CA and MD AWB registration showed only about a 3% participation rate. I lived in CA at the time and told them to go fuck themselves. I think the same will happen again and there is no way they can freeze assets and take your children for these reasons. That is a bunch of fucking hyperbole. The moment that started, it would be chaos and the jack booted thugs will start dying in rapid succession.

You have to remember that even if 90% of owners turned guns in, that would leave 30 million weapons on the street and over 100 billion rounds of ammunition.

Good luck...come and get them...

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However, historical data from CA and MD AWB registration showed only about a 3% participation rate. I lived in CA at the time and told them to go fuck themselves. I think the same will happen again

Good luck...come and get them...
If I recall correctly, NY has had a 6% registration (of "assault weapons") compliance rate. CT has has 12% compliance rate.

How many bump stocks have been turned in in the states where it was mandated by law? Answer: ZERO.
 

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If they make possession of a designated "Assult rifle" a felony with a mandatory minimum sentence they would accomplish the same thing. They could find the probable cause (or they would call it that) on SM to come to your house and kick the door down.
Exactly. Out training with it at your local range? Someone will call the cops and turn you in. Cop rolls up and busts you, you going to jail. Even if you don’t get caught at the range say you get pulled over on your way home, boom busted with an illegal weapon, your going to jail and at that time they will search and remove any other firearms you have. Own your own land that’s fine until someone calls and reports shooting and the cops show up still and boom you busted. Only way around it is if you live on like 20,000 acres which most people don’t. Your only option would be to not use it. And I’m sorry but a tool that you cannot use is effectively banned. That’s why we got to head this shit off now.

Of course there is a database lol. Every time you buy a firearm from an FFL, what’s called in and to who? If you did a personal sale, then who has the record that they sold it to you?

Ignoring all of that, everything you do online is logged and tagged. Every website you visit, every article you click/share/like, each comment you post, all of it gets recorded and sold for marketing/advertising research.

The ones they don’t have a record of are the ones who aren’t online, live alone, and only have firearms that have been handed down from generation to generation.

The whole “oh that burned up in a fire” or “I was out fishing and dropped it in the water when I was fighting a shark” isn’t going to work.

Social media and the algorithms/programs used within it, effect everyone, and not just those who have an online presence. Apps (applications not appetizers lol) gain access to people’s pictures, contacts, and social media accounts every day. Even if you don’t have the app, because you’re friends online or in that person’s phone, that app now has your info.

Pictures of you saved in a friend’s phone from when you went shooting, or that picture you sent him with the caption #YoDawgCheckOutMyNewSafe #PreparedForZombies #NoStepOnSnek showing off your new bump stock and triple laser light slippery triggered AR....Yea a corporation has those. Not because of anything you did, but because you were a contact in their phone.

It’s 2019. If you have anything other than a Nokia brick phone and stack of stamps/envelopes, you don’t have privacy and have an electronic record of everything you do. ...so yea there’s plenty of databases out there that show what you have and that you have it.

...and if you think a corporation having your info is better than a govt entity having it...who do you think they’ll sell it to? Everything is a business and nothing is free.
Ding ding ding. We have a winner. If you think they can’t find out through various means of habits, postings, mailings, mag subscriptions and so forth you’d be naive. It may take some time but would be easy. And if you are like me and many other NFA owners they already got you. Chances are if you own an NFA item then you own an AR type gun of some sort, most likely multiples. My only saving grace is that my state does not require any background check or FFL or any paperwork for any kind of face to face sale. Obviously, thisvwould exclude any NFA stuff but for reg Arms nothing is required. So, I could argue that I sold them but they are going to come in and check on my nfa stuff anyways and see them unless I get wind of it early and store them offsite.

The private company and their marriage to government is the Constitutional work around.

Govt might say "I cant do this" in regards to your privacy.

Google steps in and says "Don't worry they gave us permission in the user agreement, hear is what you seek"

Which is why everything currently going on regards the soft coup or the Russian collusion, or stormy Daniels or whatever is all BS.

Some big NSA server complex has all the answers if they were needed.

It just wont happen because it would ruin this theatre of the absurd.
Exactly! And I love all these guys in social media saying some crap about civil war. There isn’t going to be no damn civil war. If they want them they will get them.

Ponder this, let’s say they do enact all this BS. You want to fight and cause a civil war or whatever. How exactly are you going to mobilize? How are you going to find out who your enemy is? There isn’t going to be clearly defined lines like north vs south or people wearing uniforms etc. so who you going to be shooting at? See where I’m going here? Unless all of a sudden everyone was your enemy. See how far you get there lol.

The only way this works is that literally states stand against it and you join the local state militia, national guard and so on with sheriffs and police and make a state wide stand. The more states unified the better but you got to have local LE onboard which may or may not be the case. In the end, whether something should be banned or not is really a states issue, just like pot is illegal federally but there are many states like CO that have legalized it. It’s either that or we all find a way to mobilize, train together and march on WA in force, like for real with some stupid large numbers. There is very few options here. The gov has the upper hand far and above. They have been building towards this goal and setting up the infrastructure to make shit like this happen for years. I hate to say it gents, but unless something seriously changes. Guns will most likely disappear within my generation, or within the next 40-50 years. The time to resist has long passed.
 
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Do not assume, as others have posted, that there are not databases available with gun purchase information. If you have any NFA hardware you are on a list that does not go away after a certain number of days.

Your guns will also be found because of "friends and family" reporting those evil looking rifles to the authorities. We live in a society of brown shirts.
 
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there is no way they can freeze assets and take your children for these reasons. The moment that started, it would be chaos and the jack booted thugs will start dying in rapid succession.
Not just the JBTs...….the technology that makes it easy for government to know who we are makes it almost as easy for us to find out who the authors and bureaucrats behind these laws and actions are. And I'm not just talking about finding out their names...….talking about a lot more detail.
 
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Them finding out you have an AR15 is simple logic.

Two Tennessee Rednecks, Bubba and Jim Bob, are sitting at their favorite bar, drinking beer. Bubba turns to Jim Bob and says, "You know, I'm tired of going through life without an education. Tomorrow I think I'll go to the Community College, and sign up for some classes." Jim Bob thinks it's a good idea, and the two leave. The next day, Bubba goes down to the college and meets the Dean of Admissions, who signs him up for the four basic classes: Math, English, History, and Logic. "Logic?" Bubba says. "What's that?" The dean says, "I'll show you. Do you own a weed-eater?" "Yeah." "Then logically speaking, because you own a weed-eater, I think that you would have a yard." "That's true, I do have a yard." "I'm not done, the dean says. "Because you have a yard, I think logically that you would have a house." "Yes, I do have a house." "And because you have a house, I think that you might logically have a family." "I have a family." "I'm not done yet. Because you have a family, then logically you must have a wife." "Yes, I do have a wife." "And because you have a wife, then logic tells me you must be a heterosexual." "I am a heterosexual. That's amazing, you were able to find out all of that because I have a weed-eater." Excited to take the class now, Bubba shakes the Dean's hand and leaves to go meet Jim Bob at the bar. He tells Jim Bob about his classes, how he is signed up for Math, English, History, and Logic. "Logic?" Jim Bob says, "What's that?" Bubba says, "I'll show you. Do you have a weed-eater?" "No." "You faggot."
 

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Do not assume, as others have posted, that there are not databases available with gun purchase information. If you have any NFA hardware you are on a list that does not go away after a certain number of days.

Your guns will also be found because of "friends and family" reporting those evil looking rifles to the authorities. We live in a society of brown shirts.
The "snitch society" mindset is being sowed BIG TIME....

Snitches
 

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They will take it at the range and follow you home for the rest.
 

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This is a sobering and thought provoking read.

If that's true they will take everything I have and at that point I have nothing left to lose.
 

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Exactly. Out training with it at your local range? Someone will call the cops and turn you in. Cop rolls up and busts you, you going to jail. Even if you don’t get caught at the range say you get pulled over on your way home, boom busted with an illegal weapon, your going to jail and at that time they will search and remove any other firearms you have. Own your own land that’s fine until someone calls and reports shooting and the cops show up still and boom you busted. Only way around it is if you live on like 20,000 acres which most people don’t. Your only option would be to not use it. And I’m sorry but a tool that you cannot use is effectively banned. That’s why we got to head this shit off now.



Ding ding ding. We have a winner. If you think they can’t find out through various means of habits, postings, mailings, mag subscriptions and so forth you’d be naive. It may take some time but would be easy. And if you are like me and many other NFA owners they already got you. Chances are if you own an NFA item then you own an AR type gun of some sort, most likely multiples. My only saving grace is that my state does not require any background check or FFL or any paperwork for any kind of face to face sale. Obviously, thisvwould exclude any NFA stuff but for reg Arms nothing is required. So, I could argue that I sold them but they are going to come in and check on my nfa stuff anyways and see them unless I get wind of it early and store them offsite.



Exactly! And I love all these guys in social media saying some crap about civil war. There isn’t going to be no damn civil war. If they want them they will get them.

Ponder this, let’s say they do enact all this BS. You want to fight and cause a civil war or whatever. How exactly are you going to mobilize? How are you going to find out who your enemy is? There isn’t going to be clearly defined lines like north vs south or people wearing uniforms etc. so who you going to be shooting at? See where I’m going here? Unless all of a sudden everyone was your enemy. See how far you get there lol.

The only way this works is that literally states stand against it and you join the local state militia, national guard and so on with sheriffs and police and make a state wide stand. The more states unified the better but you got to have local LE onboard which may or may not be the case. In the end, whether something should be banned or not is really a states issue, just like pot is illegal federally but there are many states like CO that have legalized it. It’s either that or we all find a way to mobilize, train together and march on WA in force, like for real with some stupid large numbers. There is very few options here. The gov has the upper hand far and above. They have been building towards this goal and setting up the infrastructure to make shit like this happen for years. I hate to say it gents, but unless something seriously changes. Guns will most likely disappear within my generation, or within the next 40-50 years. The time to resist has long passed.
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Fuckin over here carpet bombing the thread with truth bombs of reality.

The thing about personal sales is that the dude who sold you it has a record, be it an actual bill of sale, or just the knowledge that he sold it to you.

Personally I won’t sell a firearm to someone without doing a bill of sale. I’ve sold plenty of firearms, FTF, and can account for every single one. Because if someone comes knocking on my door, I can say “nope, wasn’t mine that was used in the crime last week because I sold it to this guy a month ago. Here’s the bill of sale and who I sold it to.”

Same goes for the knock saying “the record shows you own this, turn it in or we are taking you away.” Sorry man, sold it to this guy ::shows bill of sale::. Sorry but it’s the truth and I’d expect the same to be done to me.

The whole “oh I sold that to some random guy like a year ago” won’t hold up as your only defense when your freedom and family’s financial stability are on the line, despite being perfectly legal to do in some states/cases.
 
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Consider establishing a trust and including your "confiscatables" in said trust. A trust gives you some breathing room where another entity can hold your shit instead of the sheriff. If you are labeled "criminal" Im not sure anything will help you though. Labels are a bitch....especially when coupled with "due process" and precrime.
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If you have purchased anything with a credit card, including ammo, the government knows to look closer at you

So yes, we can all have this fantasy that we have a true 'ghost gun' that no one knows about, but I am sure the majority of people here have purchased reloading equipment, ammo, or ammo components with a credit card. So they may not know exactly what ghost gun you have, but they know you have something, and know to investigate you.

I can share a real world story that involved Canada and still got US citizens in trouble. So many years have passed now that it doesn't matter anymore, but I am still going to be a bit vague. There were a couple of Canadian companies that sold products that were 100% legal in Canada (and legal in the US to some extent as individual parts just not combined). They had no problems selling to US citizens as they didn't care, they were Canadian, and they took US credit cards and charged in USD$.

Well a raid went on by US Authorities with the cooperation of the Canadian Authorities that raided Canadian businesses of their customer database and purchase records (the US authorities knew the companies to target based on VISA purchases). Any US customers that were found to have purchased items A and Items B were now on the list. A US company took this information to a US court and proceeded to sue all the Canadian company's US based customers on the list for purchasing parts that could have been used to violate a US law.

The choices for those caught were, pay off the company suing you several thousand dollars but still cheaper than hiring a lawyer or hire a lawyer and go to court to defend what exactly it was you did with this series of parts you purchased FROM CANADA. The parts had other uses, but hard to prove other uses.

Most caught just paid the fee to the US company to be removed from the law suit.


My point is, even if you think you have a ghost gun or two (by whatever off the grid means you used) I am sure purchasing records of ammo, reloading, or components are going to flag you for further investigation. Is it possible to be 100% off the radar, yes, but not likely.

You can claim all ammo and weapons were sold in face to face transactions to cover your gambling problems (or lost in a house fire if you had one), and at that point you can bury everything in watertight containers on public land somewhere and build your self a treasure map

but, whatever, you have already lost at that point. When will you ever pull these weapons back out and shoot them?

The only way to win this is to stop the anti American thinkers that have infested this country like cockroaches... and how to do that is a still a mystery to me as they are all bat shit crazy insane...
 
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Beto said over the weekend that he would impose fines to compel people to turn in their AR. With no searchable ATF database, how will the feds be fining people?

Most of the guns I've bought have come from three dealers that have long since gone out of business. Their records are sitting in West Virginia in boxes stored in shipping containers or have been scanned to microfilm that is non-searchable by keyword. Agents have to view images of dealer records to find the sales of a particular gun.

Are they going to take my word that my semiautomatic rifles and shotguns were destroyed in a house fire? I have a pic of a shotgun barrel that turned up when the excavator was loading the rubble into trucks.
Well for one you are on a public forum stating you own AR-15(s). All they have to have as reasonable cause to search is to reasonably believe you are a gun owner. Unless you have paid cash for everything forever they will know.

I think it would be reasonable to believe that 95% of anyone who has purchased anything from, Cabelas, Bass pro shops, Sportsman warehouse is a gun owner. That would include even a pack of bubble gum. People have very specific spending habits.

All they need is Credit Card records from those stores, give the list to a liberal judge and he can sign 100,000 search warrants. Sure there will be some collateral damage, but they will have a huge success rate also.

All in the name of public safety, there is no greater cause you know.
 

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We have a thing called a jury system in this country a jury of your peers has the final say in your guilt or innocence. They have to convince everybody on the jury that you are guilty you only have to convince one person that you are innocent and should not be convicted of a law that is unconstitutional anyways. I will take my chances all day long that there is at least one like minded person who is not a retard on my jury. If more people started asking for a jury trial for all these bullshit things they get arrested for it would be a whole lot less bullshit arrest, But people are sheep and they plead out to a judge who is most certainly gonna find you guilty 99.99% of the time.
 

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Your women and your relatives are going to turn you in to the government.

Exactly like it happens now with these vile "red flag" murders.

Your wife decides she wants some new dick that has "time for her" because of course he is unemployed but wants to keep that nice house she demanded, luxury car couldn't live without, and everything you worked so hard to provide her by working your ass off 16 hours a day. (Happened recently to one of the Delivery drivers we knew).

Or your wife decides she wants to "Explore herself" with women instead, but wants to keep everything and I do mean EVERYTHING some man worked very hard for a lifetime to get (Happened to my brother recently).

Well now they have yet another handy weapon.... just call up the feds and say he has this illegal weapon hidden in the house, then presto they get you either murdered at your doorstep best case senario, or you get sent to jail and they get everything.

Now add in all the relatives, inlaws, Girlfriends, EXes and all that.

Yep Women will be the ones using this to destroy as many men as possible.

And don't count out indoctrinated children or nieces / nephews.
Denouncing folks will be a big deal & folks will be proud of it.

If you think that won't be the case, how many folks here get all upset if someone gets ratted out for a NFA violation..
Lots of clucking of the heads and "should have followed the law"...
 
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Fuckin over here carpet bombing the thread with truth bombs of reality.

The thing about personal sales is that the dude who sold you it has a record, be it an actual bill of sale, or just the knowledge that he sold it to you.

Personally I won’t sell a firearm to someone without doing a bill of sale. I’ve sold plenty of firearms, FTF, and can account for every single one. Because if someone comes knocking on my door, I can say “nope, wasn’t mine that was used in the crime last week because I sold it to this guy a month ago. Here’s the bill of sale and who I sold it to.”

Same goes for the knock saying “the record shows you own this, turn it in or we are taking you away.” Sorry man, sold it to this guy ::shows bill of sale::. Sorry but it’s the truth and I’d expect the same to be done to me.

The whole “oh I sold that to some random guy like a year ago” won’t hold up as your only defense when your freedom and family’s financial stability are on the line, despite being perfectly legal to do in some states/cases.
I have legally sold plenty of guns to folks & bought plenty from folks with no record kept at all.
Just show each other your state carry licenses and both have done their due diligence and good to go.
In free country like this state, that goes on every weekend at gun shows all across the state.

It is specifically this that the "universal background checks" are trying to get rid of. The ability to legally dispose of a weapon to another legal party without having a record somewhere, so just like in some of the non free states, they can say... you are supposed to have these... turn them all in or go to jail since transferring them without a record is also a crime...

Now when the gun banning actually happens don't be surprised if ALL the forms that can be found, are scanned in by the government and slowly gone through.
There has been plenty of talk of ATF agents photographing many pages of records when visiting FFLs in the past decade.
There are plenty of ways for them to figure out who needs the visit first.
 

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You should read "Unintended Consequences" . It's about making a concious decision for men to make the difficult decision to "step to the plate." I would not have understood this book when I was 25 yrs. young and of modest means.
 

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Or that they can round up guns from 20 million people yet claim that they can’t round up 11 million illegals...I call bullshit! This is a plan!!
Like Chicago an other shit holes are not object lessoning to their wet dreams? If they think they have gun control issues now, what until they try to steal them while circumventing the COTUS. Only then will they find the true heart of the American people. I will also predict when they start trying their shit you will see the real GOOD shit start coming out of the woodwork an being used.
 

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Theyll harass, threaten and fine you until you hand over your gun or tell them EXACTLY who you sold/traded/gave it to. Youll have to prove you dont have it. Its not going to be as easy as "I dont own it anymore.." etc etc

They must have some sort of database or they wouldnt be trying to push this gun grab so hard. And trust me, they WANT the guns. This isnt just campaign talk.

Theyll do it 1 at a time. Theyre not going to blitz all the gun owners. They know that will cause an uprising. Theyll start with the shmuck down the street. Then the shmuck the next town over. And you wont do anything to help said shmuck. Cause its not you (yet). They dont care if it takes 25+ years to accomplish.

Remember, Satan has no watch.
 

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Remember, Satan has no watch.
Nor does retribution in many forms. A gun is the last thing you should use with so much other stuff in plain sight. The best stuff comes via chain, box stores, an other places. It very shortsighted of them to thing when the guns are gone it over. I submit once they start down that path, only then will they understand where true weapon/s come from.
 

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Nor does retribution in many forms. A gun is the last thing you should use with so much other stuff in plain sight. The best stuff comes via chain, box stores, an other places. It very shortsighted of them to thing when the guns are gone it over. I submit once they start down that path, only then will they understand where true weapon/s come from.
The most effective weapon against a gun, is another gun. And they know that. Sure, you can jerry rig up some shit, but its not going to be nearly as effective. And theyll quickly smoke ya.

If the thought of jerry riggin up something with shit you bought from Lowes to fight off invaders helps you sleep at night, then so be it. But its a false sense of security.
 
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If you thing AR's will end the grab I have a bridge for you,... they will simply shift gears to scoped bolts. It's not about guns, it's about removing the ability of the untrained to resist with something that is quick an effective. They will get to see the other side of the coin at some point, as the brits thought they had a lock on this country long ago as well. Do some research into what else our forefathers offered, the oppressors back then. Now things about all those who were trained in export only tactics an methods. Just think about that ability being turned loose on this dirt, in a no rules contest. If a no name turned LAPD into shooting up grandma how are they going to handle men bent on taking this country back w/o having a second thought doing the deed.
 

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The most effective weapon against a gun, is another gun. And they know that. Sure, you can jerry rig up some shit, but its not going to be nearly as effective. And theyll quickly smoke ya.

If the thought of jerry riggin up something with shit you bought from Lowes to fight off invaders helps you sleep at night, then so be it. But its a false sense of security.
You really don't have a clue on how an insurgency war is prosecuted do you.
 

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I have legally sold plenty of guns to folks & bought plenty from folks with no record kept at all.
Just show each other your state carry licenses and both have done their due diligence and good to go.
In free country like this state, that goes on every weekend at gun shows all across the state.

It is specifically this that the "universal background checks" are trying to get rid of. The ability to legally dispose of a weapon to another legal party without having a record somewhere, so just like in some of the non free states, they can say... you are supposed to have these... turn them all in or go to jail since transferring them without a record is also a crime...

Now when the gun banning actually happens don't be surprised if ALL the forms that can be found, are scanned in by the government and slowly gone through.
There has been plenty of talk of ATF agents photographing many pages of records when visiting FFLs in the past decade.
There are plenty of ways for them to figure out who needs the visit first.
Oh I agree and support anyone to do as they please with a personal sale in accordance with the applicable laws. I just refuse to not cover my ass. Just because you show me an ID, doesn’t mean I can spot it as fake or if you are a felon/not legally allowed to own one.
 

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You really don't have a clue on how an insurgency war is prosecuted do you.
They are effective in non-developed nations where the population has known nothing but hardship and violence since the dawn of time. Anyone in the states who has the fantasy of it going the same for them, would be in for a rude awakening. We aren’t a hardened people like those who were born and raised in a constant state of violence. As a whole, we are spoiled and sheltered.
 
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Fuckin over here carpet bombing the thread with truth bombs of reality.

The thing about personal sales is that the dude who sold you it has a record, be it an actual bill of sale, or just the knowledge that he sold it to you.

Personally I won’t sell a firearm to someone without doing a bill of sale. I’ve sold plenty of firearms, FTF, and can account for every single one. Because if someone comes knocking on my door, I can say “nope, wasn’t mine that was used in the crime last week because I sold it to this guy a month ago. Here’s the bill of sale and who I sold it to.”

Same goes for the knock saying “the record shows you own this, turn it in or we are taking you away.” Sorry man, sold it to this guy ::shows bill of sale::. Sorry but it’s the truth and I’d expect the same to be done to me.

The whole “oh I sold that to some random guy like a year ago” won’t hold up as your only defense when your freedom and family’s financial stability are on the line, despite being perfectly legal to do in some states/cases.
I'm starting to wonder who do you work for.....
 
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