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From the same issue of SI
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Nickname “the body” nuff said.

now back to buying rifles
 

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Waiting on photos with Kathy I. holding a Hoplite rifle...surely someone will be able to photoshop young Kathy with a Hoplite rifle. I wonder what the chaps behind the rifle design and r&d are thinking of this. They’re probably placing bets now on which one will get more rubbing off done. Kathy or the rifle 😂😂😂
 

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I think @THEIS is already counting on there being an unruly mob waving stacks of cash at him and demanding he take all their money now.
He probably won't need none of that discounting stuff to drive people to snap up all his initial production run... HA!

Here is a picture of me and several others about now as we wait for well.....:
I want to be this...

but unfortunately, right now my meme is holding a couple hands full of coins and all the pics I could find were copywrited. It’s okay though. I’ll save up and make the coins add up to dollars and then buy a premium system. I’ve been a burger and fries guy most of my shooting life. May be time for a filet and jumbo shrimp, with two fingers of premium scotch.
 

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Waiting on photos with Kathy I. holding a Hoplite rifle...surely someone will be able to photoshop young Kathy with a Hoplite rifle. I wonder what the chaps behind the rifle design and r&d are thinking of this. They’re probably placing bets now on which one will get more rubbing off done. Kathy or the rifle 😂😂😂
If someone wants to ship me a rifle (good luck getting it back;)), I can get Kathy to hold it while I photograph her as she goes to the same church as me.
 
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If someone wants to ship me a rifle (good luck getting it back;)), I can get Kathy to hold it while I photograph her as she goes to the same church as me.
Well, tell her we’re all thinking of her now!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wait!!! Are you saying she actually likes guns???
 

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Well, tell her we’re all thinking of her now!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wait!!! Are you saying she actually likes guns???
I could probably do that but I only know her from seeing her in the halls and small talk. She keeps a low profile. I am 6'2" and she is tiny in person.
 
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Hi,

Non picture update, :).

The last of the receiver components come out of the gas fnc today. The components (Receiver body and bolt) will be put on the machines tomorrow to have the final tolerance dimensions/specifications cut.

We decided to cut final tolerance dimensions after heat treatment to ensure the final product tolerances equal the design tolerances.

We also opted to utilize gas fnc heat treatment/hardening over some of the other more commonly used methods because for our alloys, design and purposes it provides the least amount of distortion per length ratio possible; even though we are cutting final tolerance dimensions after heat treatment.

Just another method to the madness update :).

Action and Chassis assembly slotted to begin Monday 16th.

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Theis
 

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Looking forward to seeing the final product. (y)
Hi,

We will be setting up our mock Shot Show booth up in the warehouse to give the members here that are not going to Shot Show a chance to preview what those at the show will be seeing :)

We are also going to of course have a boatload of high resolution, zoomable pictures; along with videos going up on website over next couple weeks.

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Theis
 

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Having been through this recently in my work:
  • What case depth are you using for the gas FNC?
  • Remember that the epsilon later you’ll be machining away gives you your corrosion performance. Will you be re-gas-FNCing?
 
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@THEIS

42CrMo4? Are you hailing from Europe?

I built my first bolt action with this steel as an apprentice some 40 years ago. Same idea with recessed lugs and locking ring after I found out what a pain it is to broach grooves through the entire receiver lengths. That's why we had to do an abbreviated apprenticeship as engineering students. To learn that what looks great on paper may not work out so great in manufacturing.

Just saw this thread and I am obviously late to the party. I'll keep my eyes on version 2 and will make some suggestions then. Little things; what you have so far looks sound. I am glad more people stop just cloning the 700 action.
 
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Having been through this recently in my work:
  • What case depth are you using for the gas FNC?
  • Remember that the epsilon later you’ll be machining away gives you your corrosion performance. Will you be re-gas-FNCing?

Hi,

Ok, so after going through emails upon emails I called up Paulo and spoke to the metallurgical engineer assigned to my account!!

I misspoke in regards to FNC....I have updated all my documents :)

Since FNC only provides a certain case depth hardening as you mentioned; it was decided (due to our desires for high pressure capabilities) that we through harden.
Paulo done that by computer controlled vacuum heat treatment on every part of the receiver except the bolt guide and firing pin; those are done by induction hardening.

We have a secondary process for anti-corrosion and low friction coating.

Discount code to @gnochi for the brainwork, :)

Sincerely,
Theis
 
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Hi,

So this is one of the great benefits of having a Mastercam guru running the programming and machining...

He can make improvements on the fly; that not only look better cosmetically but improves production efficiency at the same time.

Seconds lead to minutes, minutes lead to hours and hours lead to delays, so it is great when production efficiency partners with cosmetic features at the same time!!

Small details such as making the holes in first picture into the holes in the second picture..Just an 1/8 counterbore 1mm deep makes a big difference.

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This is, hands down, the most exciting and interesting thread the Hide has ever seen.
Get. Fuckin. Hyped.
Hi,

WOW, almost speechless (well typeless, lol)....THANK YOU for such praise!!! It has been nice to have some conversations here among peers (Some that have become friends even though never met in person yet) that we have had.

It has been fantastic to provide as much transparency as possible in this venture.

Sincerely,
Theis
 

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@THEIS saw on your website that you’re in Houston! If you ever need anyone to demo your rifles holler. Definitely wouldn’t help your actual R&D but would give me a chance to shoot some cool shit!
 

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I’ve followed in the shadows from the beginning of the thread. I always look forward to reading the updates. So happy you are developing something unique instead of rehashing the same stuff
 
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@THEIS saw on your website that you’re in Houston! If you ever need anyone to demo your rifles holler. Definitely wouldn’t help your actual R&D but would give me a chance to shoot some cool shit!
Hi,

Houston is 95% in the rear view mirror, lol.

Moving to new facility just North of Slidell, La...the taxes, crime rate against FFLs, homeless and overall social and political scene just got too much to make Houston enjoyable.

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Hi,

Houston is 95% in the rear view mirror, lol.

Moving to new facility just North of Slidell, La...the taxes, crime rate against FFLs, homeless and overall social and political scene just got too much to make it enjoyable.

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Damn Houston. It used to not be like that, pre-Katrina 😕


Very good move getting that variable off of your plate there.
 

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Hi,

Houston is 95% in the rear view mirror, lol.

Moving to new facility just North of Slidell, La...the taxes, crime rate against FFLs, homeless and overall social and political scene just got too much to make Houston enjoyable.

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Theis
I remember spending 2 days mucking out houses in Slidell after the hurricane (while wearing a yellow Helping Hands shirt). The mud line on the wall covered the fire extinguisher with 2-3 inches of silt on the floors. Fridges came out last and were the worst smelling things ever. Nasty.

Hope that never happens to you.
 
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Always wanted to try one out.

Might just have to kill 2 birds with one stone in this one.
 

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This is coming together very well and the more I see the more I am impressed. It is nice to see you actually putting plow to field and building the damn things. Too many times you hear about new, innovative ideas and all it ever amounts to is endless talk and designs on paper and nothing ever comes to fruition. I look forward to seeing the reviews of them once they are out and run thru their paces by seasoned shooters.
 

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Where's the Sentinel, all I see is bubble wrap ;)
Hi,

So the Urban Camo works??? GREAT!!!!
I think I am going to want an 18" 308 barreled action sitting in a Sentinel for a Trunk Monkey gun.

@bigdaddydmd
There have been a fair amount of people doing their part in this project and each of them are ready for full assembly.
I cannot speak for other companies and/or other people in regards to talking this vs doing that; but I have been very blessed to have the support and dedication of behind the scenes Team members that there is no way we would not cross the finish line :).

I cannot tell you how many phone calls and emails I am still waiting on from companies in the industry though.........

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Hi,

So the Aspis and Kopis components are heading to heat treatment today, while the Apsis chassis gets sent to anodizing...

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There's something about machined parts that gets me all excited. Beautiful work THEIS! I see you have a number of cartridges in R&D, can you provide any insight as to the design parameters (if you have in another thread I apologize, just point me in the right direction).
 

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Hi,

@wjm308
There isn't much discussed about them because we are not far enough into the T&E to line out production schedule yet.
I am hoping for release around SOFEX timeframe.

The Hoplite Arms cartridges in layman terms.....take your standard cartridges and run them at 90-95k pressures but with cartridge cases designed and manufactured with alloy to handle those numbers along with monolithics designed for such velocity and then some tungsten polymer projectiles for shits and giggles. 😁

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Theis
 

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Can I add to that question? Wondering what your thoughts are on polymer case design and if you see any future potential applications with what you’ve already developed. Or is it all just marketing hype and weight reduction?
 

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Hi,

To be honest, the only polymer case I have physically put my hands on is in regards to the ammunition being tested for the Next Generation Squad Weapon.

Pros: They are clearly running at higher pressures than normal which is one of the biggest driving factors of the NGSW.
Cons: I have not seen enough samples tested in regards to uniformity for the polymer to transition to precision side of the house.

Opinion: I think it will be hard to beat the cnc'd cartridge cases and even harder to beat the 2 piece case designs of Blackwater Ammo (They are working on just how small of cartridge they can get that 2 piece design down to).

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Hi,

@wjm308
There isn't much discussed about them because we are not far enough into the T&E to line out production schedule yet.
I am hoping for release around SOFEX timeframe.

The Hoplite Arms cartridges in layman terms.....take your standard cartridges and run them at 90-95k pressures but with cartridge cases designed and manufactured with alloy to handle those numbers along with monolithics designed for such velocity and then some tungsten polymer projectiles for shits and giggles. 😁

Sincerely,
Theis
So not just another cartridge design, but a whole new concept, I had no idea, going to have to watch that one.
 

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So not just another cartridge design, but a whole new concept, I had no idea, going to have to watch that one.
Hi,

The entire mindset behind the formation of Hoplite Arms was to create a system in which ALL things were improved upon together instead of individually.

For decades the ELR world has been looking for improvements in powder instead of looking to step outside the "pressure" box.

For years projectiles have advanced beyond the level cartridge case manufacturing has advanced.

For years weapon system features have been stagnant.

So we got tired of watching the individual improvements in the attempt to improve the entire picture so.....from the beginning we knew we needed to manufacturer a weapon system that can withstand higher pressures than ever before so that we can pair it with advanced case design and projectile design all in 1.

Sincerely,
Theis
 

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Hi,

@wjm308
There isn't much discussed about them because we are not far enough into the T&E to line out production schedule yet.
I am hoping for release around SOFEX timeframe.

The Hoplite Arms cartridges in layman terms.....take your standard cartridges and run them at 90-95k pressures but with cartridge cases designed and manufactured with alloy to handle those numbers along with monolithics designed for such velocity and then some tungsten polymer projectiles for shits and giggles. 😁

Sincerely,
Theis
I'm glad someone is breaching the pressure threshold.

Question - with the increased pressure and velocities, what is this doing to barrel life of their current level of technology?

If we have not solved that problem, about the time we get a load tuned for a barrel and sufficeint data gatherd down range ballistics, it will be shot out and the cycle starts over.
 

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Hi,

The current barrel technology..more specifically the common barrel alloy is the weak link in the shooting world IMO; similar as to tires would be considered the weak link in a dragster build. Luckily they are much much cheaper to replace than the engine :).

But luckily the projectile industry has advanced and is advancing at pretty fast pace, especially the bearing surface to length ratios!!

And even though barrel tech/alloy has not changed fast enough, we are lucky to have companies in the industry that not only are willing to modify the lands/groove ratios but also the depth of engraving forces...this is something that when paired with some of the modern monolithics is and can improve barrel life per say.

Along with some of the aftermarket alloy treatments.....barrel life can be extended slightly, but with that being said.....They are the "tires" in our drag cars and are consumable items.

OT Pure Academic Discussion:
I personally see the barrel advancements going to progressive "bore"...not progressive twist but an actually shrinking of the lands/groove dimensions. This paired with a monothic solid built with sacrificial varied OD "sealing bands" could possibly work or the backdrilled projectile design of @Jim Boatright in which the rear of projectile would fan out and seal the larger side of the barrel yet "squeeze" down to the progressive bore as going down the barrel :unsure:.


Sincerely,
Theis
 
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