Hands on Origin/Nucleus at SHOT?

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Wow, really?
What did they say on the Mausingfield comparatively?

The Nucleus bolt lift is lighter than a Rem 700...
Bolt lift is normally heavier on a three bolt lug, so it's a compromise of bolt lift vs. 72 degree bolt throw. The biggests concern is the light striker spring to lighten the bolt lift may cause light primer strikes. I would rather go with a heavier spring like 17lbs to ensure reliability. I didn't ask them about the Mausingfield that is a two lug design with a claw extractor.
 
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Ted said that the 15 pound spring has been setting off every primer he's put under it. Once they get production reasonably caught up, he said they might play around with heavier springs, see how much they affect bolt lift, and if they're acceptable, offer them for people that are concerned about it.
 
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I honestly thought the bolt lift was fine on the Nucleus. It's certainly not anything that would negatively effect operation or performance. Especially as it improves with use.

Sometimes I think we overanalyze.
 
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Regarding the Tikkas mentioned, i would agree that they are pretty darn close to what you get from a custom action, but they do still fall short in some areas.
I love my Tikkas, and my customs, i will say that my Tikkas were actually less prone to "binding" when compared to my TL3 and Defiance (specifically when the bolt is in the rearmost position). Not that the TL3/Defiance are bad, its just that the Tikka for me, to date, has been the least likely to bite or bind no matter what angle im working the bolt from.
However, the customs were smoother, and the Tikkas have the toughest bolt lift of all my bolt guns, and so despite its shorter throw, it is not as fast as the others. On top of this it has a reputation of having a weak bolt stop.
I ordered a nucleus hoping it would at least feel like a Tikka in terms of anti-bind properties, and have a lighter bolt lift, and stronger bolt stop (big ass check in that box!) Then the extractor, changing bolts, and barloc made it irresistable.
 
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I plan to play around with 224V myself, that and 6BRA, using BarLoc and prefits.

It's been fixed years ago but when the Deviant first came out it was so tight/tight enough that you couldn't run the bolt forward "due to binding" except by pushing directly against the back of the bolt shroud (slight exaggeration but this is the best way I know to describe it). At least this was the case with two actions that people I know bought. Back then I was a Surgeon fan boy and the Surgeon just worked so well. Still got a XL action and it is one great action with those "just right bolt to action tolerances" and it has a guide rail in it.

I suppose there is no perfect bolt action but I thought the Nucleus struck a great balance, or as good as can be expected when considering all it's attributes and price.
 

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Bolt lift is normally heavier on a three bolt lug, so it's a compromise of bolt lift vs. 72 degree bolt throw. The biggests concern is the light striker spring to lighten the bolt lift may cause light primer strikes. I would rather go with a heavier spring like 17lbs to ensure reliability. I didn't ask them about the Mausingfield that is a two lug design with a claw extractor.
Without knowledge of the pin drop, total moving system mass, spring preload, etc there are too many variables to make any determination on actual bolt lift and striker effectiveness simply by looking at the bolt rotation angle and the spring rate alone.
 

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I want to say "are you serious", but I don't want to sound sarcastic and I hate coined phrases. But are you? I have thought about buying a TL3 because I'm looking at several actions, but it would be a real disappointment if there isn't a galaxy of difference between a $1250 action and my broken in 700.
So since this post, I've spent some time cycling the TL3. Its certainly smoothened up nicely. I think where the TL3 stands out is how it performs when dirty. Mine has been covered in sand and dirt and still felt fine. Some of the other actions with a very tight bolt struggled when very dirty despite being very nice while clean.
 

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So since this post, I've spent some time cycling the TL3. Its certainly smoothened up nicely. I think where the TL3 stands out is how it performs when dirty. Mine has been covered in sand and dirt and still felt fine. Some of the other actions with a very tight bolt struggled when very dirty despite being very nice while clean.
Aaaaand there ya go... this is what I've been telling folks for years about Bighorns and rifle actions in general.
If the design geometry and the metallurgy in the action are correct it doesn't matter if the bolt is sloppy or not. What does matter is how it handles dirt.
 
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So since this post, I've spent some time cycling the TL3. Its certainly smoothened up nicely. I think where the TL3 stands out is how it performs when dirty. Mine has been covered in sand and dirt and still felt fine. Some of the other actions with a very tight bolt struggled when very dirty despite being very nice while clean.
Yeah i had the same experience with my Bighorn. While it did tend to bite a bit sometimes (when im operating the bolt sloppily), it felt just as smooth and nice when run correctly regardless of its cleanliness. My Defiance handled dirt as needed, but it starts letting you know its dirty far sooner than the TL3.
To date the TL3 has had the nicest bolt lift ive ever felt, and if the Nucleus hadnt just come out, id probably have bought another one.
 

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Aaaaand there ya go... this is what I've been telling folks for years about Bighorns and rifle actions in general.
If the design geometry and the metallurgy in the action are correct it doesn't matter if the bolt is sloppy or not. What does matter is how it handles dirt.
If I was to do it all over again, I would get a Bighorn over my Defiance for my PRS rig. In Oklahoma and Texas fine dust, my Defiance locks up as soon as it smells the dust. Multiple different times/matches I've had to continually clean the action throughout the day just to get it to run, while the Bighorns, Surgeons, etc. were still running smooth as butter.

I like the Defiance, and it works good enough that I bought another one for a .300NM ELR dedicated rig, but it's not good at eating the fine grit.

People who have safe queens look for the smoothest/quickest/lightest bolt throw. People who shoot in field conditions look for reliability.
 

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Bohem,

Do you plan to offer shouldered barrels for the Barloc device in the future?

I'm currently waiting on one of the Bighorn Origin actions and I'd like to do a two barrel setup. I'm planning a 6.5 Creedmoor and something else (undecided at the moment).

Also, I've been debating going with a Proof CF barrel for one of them. Is that something you can accommodate? If so, should I go ahead and acquire a blank or let you order it. They're currently running $730ish at the moment, not sure if that's the new normal price or temporary.
 

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Bohem,

Do you plan to offer shouldered barrels for the Barloc device in the future?

I'm currently waiting on one of the Bighorn Origin actions and I'd like to do a two barrel setup. I'm planning a 6.5 Creedmoor and something else (undecided at the moment).

Also, I've been debating going with a Proof CF barrel for one of them. Is that something you can accommodate? If so, should I go ahead and acquire a blank or let you order it. They're currently running $730ish at the moment, not sure if that's the new normal price or temporary.
We are offering shouldered BarLoc barrels now.
We can make BarLoc barrels for the Origin and TL3 as well.
At $730 for a CF wrapped blank that's a killer deal. Sounds like a sale to me. If it's the "new normal" then you don't lose if you buy it now. If it's a sale and you don't buy it you lose... I'd buy it.
 
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Is there a specified installation torque for the Barloc? I know there is an example of 100 inch pounds = 100 foot pounds of preload on the barrel threads, is that the recomended installation torque? If so, I need to go out and buy a new inlb wrench. Mine only goes to 65 lol.
 

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We are offering shouldered BarLoc barrels now.
We can make BarLoc barrels for the Origin and TL3 as well.
At $730 for a CF wrapped blank that's a killer deal. Sounds like a sale to me. If it's the "new normal" then you don't lose if you buy it now. If it's a sale and you don't buy it you lose... I'd buy it.
What am I looking at cost wise to accommodate the barloc with your current $525.95 replacement match grade Bighorn/Origin barrels?

Best to order on the website and follow up with an email or just email?

Thanks,
 
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Is there a specified installation torque for the Barloc? I know there is an example of 100 inch pounds = 100 foot pounds of preload on the barrel threads, is that the recomended installation torque? If so, I need to go out and buy a new inlb wrench. Mine only goes to 65 lol.
Not sure if anyone really knows yet. Have they even shipped yet? Ted hasn’t said much, in all honesty he gives the impression the barlok was just an after thought.
 

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Is there a specified installation torque for the Barloc? I know there is an example of 100 inch pounds = 100 foot pounds of preload on the barrel threads, is that the recomended installation torque? If so, I need to go out and buy a new inlb wrench. Mine only goes to 65 lol.
I tested mine at 65 in-lb. It was more than adequate for mounting the barrel with a repeatable zero.
Ted's example was 100in-lb and "over 100ftlb" of breakaway torque.
I got 90-95ftlb of breakaway torque with a 65 in-lb installation.

Until Ted recommends differently I just have the data from my testing and 65 in-lb worked fine.


What am I looking at cost wise to accommodate the barloc with your current $525.95 replacement match grade Bighorn/Origin barrels?

Best to order on the website and follow up with an email or just email?

Thanks,
The Nucleus barreled action has a "BarLoc" option for the Nucleus so that's already set. I'll make a checkbox on the website to select for BarLoc use for other barrels.

Don't send a followup email that's not attached to the order, folks have been sending change orders through emails and it's taking a LOT of time to modify things in the order tracking. That time is better spent in front of a machine instead of a keyboard and add on details in an email are tough to track, sometimes they get missed.

http://patriotvalleyarms.com/replacement-match-barrel-bighorn-arms-tl3-origin-receiver/
 
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Is there a specified installation torque for the Barloc? I know there is an example of 100 inch pounds = 100 foot pounds of preload on the barrel threads, is that the recomended installation torque? If so, I need to go out and buy a new inlb wrench. Mine only goes to 65 lol.
I’ve heard of guys using shouldered setups basically screwing them on hand tight and getting good results, so I’d imagine if 65 inch pounds gets you the equivalent of 65 ft lbs then it’ll probably be okay.
 
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I thought that option was for the prefit style Barloc, not the shouldered setup when ordering on the PVA website. I think I ordered wrong.....
 
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I thought that option was for the prefit style Barloc, not the shouldered setup when ordering on the PVA website. I think I ordered wrong.....
Pretty sure I ordered wrong, too. I ordered a couple of the Nucleus Barlocs directly from ARC and think I put down the option for a normal shouldered barrel from Josh. I’d like to get the shouldered Barloc barrel option since I’ve got a couple coming anyway.
 

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Bohem,
Also, I've been debating going with a Proof CF barrel for one of them. Is that something you can accommodate? If so, should I go ahead and acquire a blank or let you order it. They're currently running $730ish at the moment, not sure if that's the new normal price or temporary.
I was wondering the same on the Proofs. I picked one up. Either there is a sale or proof has come down on pricing. I'm not sure because their 730$ at most retailers with free shipping at the moment.
 

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^Was also thinking about it. More palatable than $930 or whatever, but still high for my taste.
Truthfully i was looking for something along the lines of 600-650$ but here was my line of thinking. The weight on my gun is already set i'm not changing the EH1 out to grab another and do bedding only to save a couple of ounces. The other route was going to be a 3B with flutes. That is 500-550$ depending, plus cerakote if you want a color it's nearly 650$ all said and done. So for 730$ i get a thick barrel and can have my weight reduction too. It's a niche for sure but i wasn't going to drop much on barrel thickness based on aesthetic alone. Really wouldn't even want a 3b would've gone #4 fluted.
 
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I thought that option was for the prefit style Barloc, not the shouldered setup when ordering on the PVA website. I think I ordered wrong.....
Pretty sure I ordered wrong, too. I ordered a couple of the Nucleus Barlocs directly from ARC and think I put down the option for a normal shouldered barrel from Josh. I’d like to get the shouldered Barloc barrel option since I’ve got a couple coming anyway.
Maybe the PVA site was updated since this post, but it looks like Josh is only offering shouldered barrels w/o the barloc right now. Im wondering what the difference is between the "Nucleus Receiver Barrel - Group Buy" and the "Replacement Barrel - John Hancock Rifle" other than the John Hancock has more 6mm chambering offerings.

I already have an order in for a savage prefit (as it seems to be the only way to get a 260 right now), but I am waiting for the Nucleus specific Bar-Loc for shouldered barrels and a shouldered 260 offering from Josh - that is my ideal set-up
 
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Maybe the PVA site was updated since this post, but it looks like Josh is only offering shouldered barrels w/o the barloc right now. Im wondering what the difference is between the "Nucleus Receiver Barrel - Group Buy" and the "Replacement Barrel - John Hancock Rifle" other than the John Hancock has more 6mm chambering offerings.

I already have an order in for a savage prefit (as it seems to be the only way to get a 260 right now), but I am waiting for the Nucleus specific Bar-Loc for shouldered barrels and a shouldered 260 offering from Josh - that is my ideal set-up
I think that if you buy the barrelled action, there is a checkbox that says "yes, upgrade my Nucleus to use the Barloc" which adds $50 and with that you get the barloc and a shouldered barloc barrel. I could be wrong but that was my assumption.
 
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I think that if you buy the barrelled action, there is a checkbox that says "yes, upgrade my Nucleus to use the Barloc" which adds $50 and with that you get the barloc and a shouldered barloc barrel. I could be wrong but that was my assumption.
I preordered from ARC directly and the $50 Nucleus Barloc was depicted as a barrel-nut type setup. The shouldered Barloc was costlier, in the realm of $120 I think.
 
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http://patriotvalleyarms.com/nucleus-barreled-action/

The pictures show the barrel nut barloc. Also the options are "No thank you, I prefer a shouldered install" and "Yes, please upgrade my NUCLEUS to use the BarLoc System"
Yea, as far as I can tell, there is no Barloc recoil lug for the Nucleus to use with the shouldered barrel barloc. That would be ideal and im sure its coming, but I cant afford to wait if I hope to make my class with this rifle.
 
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Yea, as far as I can tell, there is no Barloc recoil lug for the Nucleus to use with the shouldered barrel barloc. That would be ideal and im sure its coming, but I cant afford to wait if I hope to make my class with this rifle.
As far as I know the only difference between the barlocks is if it has the prefit nut or a tapered ring/taper on barrel. The action side of the Barloc is the same regardless of shouldered or prefit.

Basically like this
Pre-fit
Tapered ring or Barloc recoil lug ---> split collar with screw ----> barrel nut ---> Barrel

Shouldered
Tapered ring or Barloc recoil lug ---> split collar with screw ----> tapered ring or chamfer on barrel ---->barrel

If the PVA Barloc shouldered barrels come with the required chamfer on the outside of the shoulder you should be able to use the prefit Barloc for both. Hopefully Josh can stop by and correct me if I am wrong because I am interested in a couple different barrels if that is the case
 
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Goodness gracious things got confusing lol. Ive heard a few different things from a few different people so im not sure. Ill probably just wait it out until the orders and questions have settled down a bit before i attempt to change my order details or anything. Plenty of time. ill honestly be happy with either the prefit or the shouldered barloc, plus sides to both. As long as i know that at least SOME kind of barloc will be included with my barreled action since i clicked that little box that added $50 to my pre order.

Pre orders get a place in line just like the people who bought it flat out right? Or did people who pay all up front receive priority?
 

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Goodness gracious things got confusing lol. Ive heard a few different things from a few different people so im not sure. Ill probably just wait it out until the orders and questions have settled down a bit before i attempt to change my order details or anything. Plenty of time. ill honestly be happy with either the prefit or the shouldered barloc, plus sides to both. As long as i know that at least SOME kind of barloc will be included with my barreled action since i clicked that little box that added $50 to my pre order.

Pre orders get a place in line just like the people who bought it flat out right? Or did people who pay all up front receive priority?
The deposit and the full paid price get the order in line based on order ID. It will be cross referenced by caliber.

IE, if I'm cutting a batch of 6.5 Creed and there is a 6mm Creed, then 3 more 6.5 Creeds I'm skipping the 6 Creed for a little bit and coming back to it. I'm not going to pull reamers in and out of production equipment to stay exactly FIFO.

If someone has a pre-order deposit for an identical guy that has a fully paid one adn the depositr was ordered first then that guy gets his notification and I keep building for the next order in line. If a deposit guy doesn't answer me for days while I'm trying to get paid for the job and the parts I won't have any choice but to move the parts into the next build and move forward. Hopefully that won't be an issue but it has come up in the past.

Maybe the PVA site was updated since this post, but it looks like Josh is only offering shouldered barrels w/o the barloc right now. Im wondering what the difference is between the "Nucleus Receiver Barrel - Group Buy" and the "Replacement Barrel - John Hancock Rifle" other than the John Hancock has more 6mm chambering offerings.

I already have an order in for a savage prefit (as it seems to be the only way to get a 260 right now), but I am waiting for the Nucleus specific Bar-Loc for shouldered barrels and a shouldered 260 offering from Josh - that is my ideal set-up
The Nucleus specific BarLoc does not have a taper cut into the shoulder as the Nucleus Specific BL has the coned ring included in the stack.
My understanding is that the Nucleus Specific BarLoc has the Nucleus specific recoil lug in it and no barrel nut. I am making barrels for that setup.
If someone wants a barrel nut then they need to order a barrel nut type BL and that, as I understand, is $30-40 more expensive than the Nucleus specific BL for shouldered barrels.

I used the pictures that ARC provided with it, if they're not correct we'll have to get it sorted with them but I followed their lead on the announcement. That being said, the above explanation is my understanding on it.


The reason that a 260 and 6.5 Creed use the same SKU is because they use the same blank. If you notice the SKU codes are actually specific to the barrel bore, contour and rifling type. They're not specific to the caliber.

The caliber is a drop down selection but as long as it doesn't change the bore ID you can go to any 6mm and it will have the same SKU code for a given barrel type.

IE

6mm Creed, 6 BR, 6 Dasher, 243, 6XC
Marksman contour, button rifled.

They all have the same SKU.

This is for inventory tracking and PO issuance against the barrels needed. The caliber isn't important to Rock Creek when the blanks are ordered. The way these are setup is so that I can pull a report from the website, collate it into an excel spreadsheet and tally everything. Then I write a PO to RCB for the blanks I need.

I didn't mean it to be confusion to folks, I didn't think that part mattered to guys, but the reason it was done was to streamline inventory handling on the backside of the forms and make sure that the flow of barrels is smooth and clean.
 
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As far as I know the only difference between the barlocks is if it has the prefit nut or a tapered ring/taper on barrel. The action side of the Barloc is the same regardless of shouldered or prefit.

Basically like this
Pre-fit
Tapered ring or Barloc recoil lug ---> split collar with screw ----> barrel nut ---> Barrel

Shouldered
Tapered ring or Barloc recoil lug ---> split collar with screw ----> tapered ring or chamfer on barrel ---->barrel

If the PVA Barloc shouldered barrels come with the required chamfer on the outside of the shoulder you should be able to use the prefit Barloc for both. Hopefully Josh can stop by and correct me if I am wrong because I am interested in a couple different barrels if that is the case
There is also the nucleus specific version that has the recoil lug that fits into the rail slot and also has the chamfer, but that version appears to only be available with the barrel nut. I want that nucleus specific recoil lug, and a shouldered barrel chambered in 260 - AFAIK none of those things are currently available.
 

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Thank you.

I think there is a mistake in the caliber selection. The 6.5 Creedmoor & 260 Remington are the same option.

One last question, do you have any preference on manufacturer of headspace gauges?
I have gages from JGS, PTG, Manson, Clymer and a couple that I ground myself for wildcats that I needed in a pinch. I also use a tooling ball and a depth mic coupled to some basic calculations.

Just track what you have and use the same thing. Few folks realize this but a GO gauge has a total tolerance band of 1.5 thousandths. I know that my 6.5 Creed is 3 tenths under Nominal for the GO. At only 3 tenths I just roll wtih it.

My 6.5x47 came in 0.0009" long. Still within tolerance but almost a thousandth out. I took it to the die room at the place I was working at the time and put it in the cylindrical grinder and got it to within 50 millionths at 68F
 
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The Nucleus specific BarLoc does not have a taper cut into the shoulder as the Nucleus Specific BL has the coned ring included in the stack.
My understanding is that the Nucleus Specific BarLoc has the Nucleus specific recoil lug in it and no barrel nut. I am making barrels for that setup.
If someone wants a barrel nut then they need to order a barrel nut type BL and that, as I understand, is $30-40 more expensive than the Nucleus specific BL for shouldered barrels.

I used the pictures that ARC provided with it, if they're not correct we'll have to get it sorted with them but I followed their lead on the announcement. That being said, the above explanation is my understanding on it.
Oh goodness, I'm confused now. I ordered this barloc, which seems to be the only "nucleus specific" barloc available on the ARC site. It clearly shows a barrel nut, which is why I ordered the prefit barrel (well that, and it seemed to be the only way to get a 260).

http://www.americanrifle.com/produc...clear-price-of-50-only-for-nucleus-customers/
 
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I'm assuming the one on the ARC website includes the barrel nut as the rendering specifically has the recoil lug for the nucleus showing the full setup. Not sure why else they would have that picture otherwise. Maybe its different depending where you ordered/what options were selected.
 
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I'm assuming the one on the ARC website includes the barrel nut as the rendering specifically has the recoil lug for the nucleus showing the full setup. Not sure why else they would have that picture otherwise. Maybe its different depending where you ordered/what options were selected.
That's why I'm confused because that is contrary to what Josh said, and Ted & he are the guys who would know most about this.
 
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Josh, what tab would I use to order a shouldered Nucleus barrel that accepts the Barlok? Also, what are the twist options for the 6mm buttom rifled blanks? Just want to get my name on the long list and get it correct the first time lol
 

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Josh, what tab would I use to order a shouldered Nucleus barrel that accepts the Barlok? Also, what are the twist options for the 6mm buttom rifled blanks? Just want to get my name on the long list and get it correct the first time lol
Grab the one that says "please upgrade me to a BarLoc"
I'll handle it with Ted. He and I talk daily, sometimes multiple times a day, about the various projects involved within the NUCLEUS launch.

The 6mm Button blanks come in an 8 twist. I'm doing testing on 7's but I can tell you for shit sure that the 8's are total hammers. The prototype Hancock shoots 6mm Creed factory ammo sub 1/4MOA at 100 and it is boring to shoot clay pidgeons off an impact mound at 640.
 

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Thanks for the reply! What about barrels only? I ended up pre-ordering a Nucleus from ARC when they were released. Can I just send you note/comment with the order? And should I choose the J/H replacement barrel or bighorn/mausingfield replacement barrel?
 
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Thanks for the reply! What about barrels only? I ended up pre-ordering a Nucleus from ARC when they were released. Can I just send you note/comment with the order? And should I choose the J/H replacement barrel or bighorn/mausingfield replacement barrel?
This is relevant to my interests
 
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If we ordered a shouldered set up in confusion, can we still call or email to change to a barloc setup? Assuming I will have to now order a barloc from ARC. What is the deal with the TL3 barloc set up?

Thanks.
 

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Thanks for the reply! What about barrels only? I ended up pre-ordering a Nucleus from ARC when they were released. Can I just send you note/comment with the order? And should I choose the J/H replacement barrel or bighorn/mausingfield replacement barrel?
http://patriotvalleyarms.com/replacement-match-barrel-bighorn-arms-tl3-origin-receiver/

You need to log into the website and put a note on the order. There are too many emails to keep track of, especially when people flip flop on the decisions.

Also, what grease do you use on the barrel/action threads?
Josh,

I use M14 grease. Nickel or Copper Antisieze works too.

If we ordered a shouldered set up in confusion, can we still call or email to change to a barloc setup? Assuming I will have to now order a barloc from ARC. What is the deal with the TL3 barloc set up?

Thanks.
You need a BarLoc from ARC for "shouldered barrels" but not the Nucleus specific one. Or you can use the Savage barrel nut version but then you need Savage prefit barrels.
 
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