Hand Loading for Long Range 5: inspect & tips

Jul 18, 2011
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Cheap tip. To verify consistent mounting of your dies when going to the O-ring setup, just make a reference mark on the top of your press and another on each of your dies/lock rings. My fear was that the rubber might get less springy over time and affect my depths, so I made the marks and bought extra O-rings.
 

TresMon

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Good thinking Tex! Everybody listen up. That's what I d do to my dies/ press.....
 
Nov 3, 2011
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Once you run them through the Concentricity Gage, what do you do it it's not seated within your tolerances? What improves the seating? Better press? Better Dies?
 

sll

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I just finally took the time to read all 5 of these tips and just want to add that they are awesome. I sure wish that this type of detailed knowledge was printed before I started reloading about 15 years ago! I will definitely point anyone that comes to me wanting to learn how to reload to this forum for reference.

I mainly just punch paper and shoot a few deer and groundhogs at less than 400 yards, and doing that with only factory rifles. But, I am very anal about trying to get the most out of every rifle and load that I mess with so there is still a ton of useful knowledge to the people that will never shoot in 1,000 yard matches. But it does make one respect all the effort and details that goes into the skill for those that do.

Good show also in pointing out that all of us TN boys are not just a bunch of inbred hicks.....
 
Nov 17, 2011
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Re: Hand Loading for Long Range 5: inspect & tips

Tresmon, thanks for the great series. As someone new to reloading, it is really helpful to have all the pictures along with the instruction. One question, I am limited to 200 yards at my range, is that enough distance to find an accuracy node? In my first test of .260 123gr Scenars at 100 yards from once fire Lapua brass I tested loads from 41gr to 43.5gr of H4350 in .5 increments and didn't find much vertical variation in groups, so I figured it was too close a range for vertical dispersion to appear. Is this correct? If so, how do find the accuracy node at distances of 200 yards or less?

Thanks for any input.
 

TresMon

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If it were impossible for me to shoot beyond 200 yards I'd just shoot for groups and load whatever shot the tightest.
 

JC Steel

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Hey tres, based on your findings, if I'm running lapua brass do I need to neck turn?

I am not set up to neck turn so I would have to buy all the goodies to get started. Thanks

Jake
 

TresMon

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcvibby</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey tres, based on your findings, if I'm running lapua brass do I need to neck turn?

I am not set up to neck turn so I would have to buy all the goodies to get started. Thanks

Jake </div></div>

If you running a standard ( not "tight neck") chamber and 'pua brass, No I'd not go for neck turning (unless you specifically are getting set up to be serious in F-class)
 
Mar 8, 2013
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Great series, man. I joined the hide looking to soak up some knowledge from experienced guys. I have spent a good part of this deployment doing as much research as possible on reloading. Looking to blow some deployment money! I've not seen a more detailed series on reloading anywhere. I'm excited to get home and put it to some use. My wife is gonna be pissed!
 
Aug 4, 2009
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Tresmon,

Great writeups as always. The only thing I have not been able to quantity for effect is runout. I use a sinclair concentricity gage and at ranges up to 600 yards have not been able to correlate high runout (say up to 0.006") with degrading accuracy. I know writer/author John Barsness advocates by it but I haven't been able to detect a difference on my targets. I still check it though on maybe 50% of my loads, just for peace of mind.
 
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Jayman, for what it's worth, I was chatting with a friend of mine whom I met through this forum, and he told me that he was learning reloading, and he kept getting good groups with one flyer. He got the Hornady Concentricity Tool which has the screw to help correct run-out, started using it, and he has seen a marked absence of flyers since then. I only have the RCBS gauge, and have just started using it. I cannot comment from experience, as I have none on this issue. I found that .005" run-out was about the max i have measured on any of mine that I checked yet, and I have no way as yet to correct them I also screwed up and failed to mark them to see if they flew out or not----mostly because I read this after I checked them, and didn't go back to find them. I have other fish to fry first, so I'll revisit this issue later, but I thought I'd pass on his observations for consideration. Maybe someone else can confirm them----or not.
 
Apr 9, 2013
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A big thank-you to TresMon, thank you sir. I've read and studied your series here on precision loads, and my groups have shrunk by at least .2 MOA:D Fantastic information, much appreciated:)
 
Aug 4, 2009
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Jayman, for what it's worth, I was chatting with a friend of mine whom I met through this forum, and he told me that he was learning reloading, and he kept getting good groups with one flyer. He got the Hornady Concentricity Tool which has the screw to help correct run-out, started using it, and he has seen a marked absence of flyers since then. I only have the RCBS gauge, and have just started using it. I cannot comment from experience, as I have none on this issue. I found that .005" run-out was about the max i have measured on any of mine that I checked yet, and I have no way as yet to correct them I also screwed up and failed to mark them to see if they flew out or not----mostly because I read this after I checked them, and didn't go back to find them. I have other fish to fry first, so I'll revisit this issue later, but I thought I'd pass on his observations for consideration. Maybe someone else can confirm them----or not.
Thanks for the input Uncle. This is a fascinating topic.
 
Feb 11, 2010
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T-Man!! Great work on these articles! Thank you very much!!
I think neck turning improves accuracy by better alignment than through equal bullet release ...but I'm good at being wrong sometimes too. Reloading seemed overwhelming until I once read that there are only two things that we can do to improve accuracy. 1) bullet alignment 2) correct consistent pressure charges
Good luck everyone!!
 
May 26, 2013
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Nice work Gunny, I very much enjoyed your article. I am in the process of getting back into reloading and want to kick things up a few knoches in quality from what I did in the old days. I wish I could build my own tools, just been a mechanic too long Ha Ha
Paul
 

CAG55

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TresMon, Out standing series of how to load for Long Range Shooting!! I have been reloading since 1972 but, not to your degree! I thank you so much!! I have been reading a lot on Long Range Shooting and of course reloading has to be mentioned
but, Not To Your Standard. There are a lot of good guys on the net that will help a person if asked! Not to many folks that would spend the amount of work you did on this!! I sure wish that someone that has been reading this that had the connection to get you a book deal. I can tell you that because, I have read a few books on advance reloading and shooting
and the author of those books would of been ahead if he would of copied your explanation of how to reload for long range
shooting!
I do have a couple of questions that I would like to ask you your thoughts in a pm.
If you read this and would not mind a pm or email please get a hold of me.
Cag55
 
Jan 9, 2014
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#75
Great series. This has been read in Denmark, a at guy which is in need for at 500 yard course.

Actually by following those steps also the 100yards are showing improvements. The groups can always be smaller.:)
thanks again.
 
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