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In conjunction with technique described will increase hit percentage by 20% at 900 yds? Umm..............
 

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Standing by for commentary and comments lolol......
I just hope the below has been temporarily suspended for your real commentary lolololol.

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We are at a point where things here need to set the example. The FB Era is winding down from a firearms standpoint, you'll see more people gravitate back to sites like this and forums vs being tied to places like FB. Things need to be different here than there, they always have been. If you want to bring that same level of FB Trolling to SH, I will simply remove the offenders
 

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In all seriousness though outside of all of these things we've (I've) posted above.

Do you think it has a place, perhaps among the newer shooters or is it a gimmick of sort that skirts the basics of fundamentals? Seems like a habit-forming device that might not lead to consistent results across multiple platforms, perhaps?
 

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It has a place, the concept is sound, but the technique as demonstrated is flawed

he is demonstrating the classic 80/40/20 of being taught something, and then moving down the road and doing it wrong.

His grip is too loose, he has a lot of movement at the time of the shot, and if you watch him shoot he immediately disengages from the rifle. In fact, he is amplifying the movement and not mitigating it.

The grip is fine, I have no issue with the product
 
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His grip is too loose, he has a lot of movement at the time of the time, and if you watch him shoot he immediately disengages from the rifle. In fact, he is amplifying the movement and not mitigating it.
"A 20% increase in hits at 900 yards"
Doesnt say a 20% increase in the ratio of hits to misses, just 20% more.

He can only hit that many more targets because hes not waiting to see impacts :LOL:
 
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Oh, I noticed that in the GIF now that you mention it!

Just seems like if one had good shoulder pocket location, bipod loaded properly/rearward pressure and was squared up with a solid NPA that this would be a negligible device to install. Granted, it easy to do/say on a square range sometimes versus true field work.
 
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Having an index point is not a bad thing, it gives a new shooter something to focus on in order to be consistent

It's this constant bad technique being used to demonstrate how good a product is. Yes, consistency is king, and being able to address the rifle the same way every time is the goal. But if you are snatching the trigger, disengaging from the rifle and scope, and throwing follow through out the window, you are not gonna see the desired results.

The main problem, and is a very old one is, people are excellent at adapting bad habits to work over time. The more you do it wrong the better you do because your brain will begin to steer you on target, it just takes longer.

This is really a semi-free-recoil thing if you watch the technique, and I love the over-explained hype term, "THE SYMPATHETIC MOVEMENT REDUCTION TECHNIQUE, which is a fancy way to say he is floating the thumb.

But look at his movement during the shot... were the movement reduction?
 

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Do snipers prefer a AR grip or a conventional chassis like JAE. Does one offer better control or is it just preference to the shooter ?
 

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Do snipers prefer a AR grip or a conventional chassis like JAE. Does one offer better control or is it just preference to the shooter ?
Snipers prefer the rifle they are issued, they have very little say in it.

It should not really matter, but there are varying techniques for each of the different stocks or calibers.

Snipers have issued rifles, they don't get to spec, choose, bring their own stuff, etc. They do have some choices, it's usually caliber and platform specific. As an example, you have a Mk12, Mk11, Mk13, all vastly different from say an M24 or M40A? which is different from a PSR, which close but is different from an M2010, all of them are even more so different from a .50 Cal rifle. Semi-auto with a pistol grip, stock with traditional grip, chassis with a pistol grip.
 

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While I don’t see anything inherently wrong with the product, I think it’s more of a crutch and a marketting gimmick than anything. Kind of like the “Anchor Point” that I’ve seen on FB that’s supposed to give you another index on your shotgun. If your shotgun is properly set up, and you’ve practiced properly with it, you’ll do fine. If you want to spend the money on a somewhat gimmicky product that may help you but that you really don’t need if you’re practicing correct fundamentals, go for it.
 

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Snipers prefer the rifle they are issued, they have very little say in it.

It should not really matter, but there are varying techniques for each of the different stocks or calibers.

Snipers have issued rifles, they don't get to spec, choose, bring their own stuff, etc. They do have some choices, it's usually caliber and platform specific. As an example, you have a Mk12, Mk11, Mk13, all vastly different from say an M24 or M40A? which is different from a PSR, which close but is different from an M2010, all of them are even more so different from a .50 Cal rifle. Semi-auto with a pistol grip, stock with traditional grip, chassis with a pistol grip.
Thanks for you reply I was hoping you would chime in due to your experience and service. I take it the sniper is issued a rifle and better learn how to master what he was issued, although you would think the government would give more of a choice given their role.
 

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How are you going to take the slack out of a 20+lb rifle with the tip of 3 fingers?

Just pull back straight.

I also see the return of the ghost of John Plaster with the thumb being folded back onto the hand.
 

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How are you going to take the slack out of a 20+lb rifle with the tip of 3 fingers?

Just pull back straight.

I also see the return of the ghost of John Plaster with the thumb being folded back onto the hand.
Is plaster dead?
 

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looks to me from the video if he would apply some fundamentals like follow through, recoil management, stop breaking his head position yada yada he would get that 20% hit ratio increase before he got that grip lol