Glock glitch: Local police officer’s accidental shooting blamed on gun

Badfinger

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I'm calling B.S. on this. Even if the pin worked it's way out and caught on the holster the safety lever on the trigger would still have to be compressed to fire the gun. I think he had his finger on the trigger while holstering the weapon. What do you guys think.


A West Carrollton police officers accidental shooting of himself at a Franklin firing range is being attributed to his gun malfunctioning, authorities said. The May 4 firing range accident occurred after a safety feature on the officer’s Glock failed, said West Carrollton Deputy Police Chief David Wessling.

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“There’s a pin in the triggers of Glocks that keeps the safety in place, and the pin had actually worked itself out to the side of the gun to the point that it was sticking out far enough that when he stuck (the gun) in the holster, the pin caught the edge of the holster and pulled the trigger back,” Wessling said. “That’s nothing that you would ever expect to happen,” he said. The officer was wounded in the calf area and in the foot on his right side, Wessling said. It's going to take a little bit of time, but he’ll fully recover from it,” Wessling added.

His identity has not been released but has been he described as a veteran of at least 10 years. The officer is not expected return for a couple of months, Wessling said.
 
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I'm not an engineer, but I'm in the same frame with your thoughts as well. It's a pivot pin, and I wouldn't think it would be capable of applying leverage to the trigger safety enough to actuate it and allow the rest of the pistol's operating system to fire.

Every ND I've had to look into, the shooter always blamed the weapon. The bosses would even suggest for me to find it as such, of course being cheaper for them. Every time, it was negligence on the shooter's part. This one smells familiar.
 

diverdon

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I think it most likely that you are correct, but I doubt that the office really knows what happened, either way. Had it been me I think the unexpected discharge would have erased 10 seconds of memory that would then have had to be reconstructed out of supposition and speculation.
 
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Funny I'm thinking complete bullshit and yet I see shit happen everyday that defies the laws of physics and electricity . You'd rea)y be surprised . I am a CNC Service Tech with a backround in electronics as wel as a papered machinist and yet some of the shit I see defies logic . I'm on the fence . I just hope that Dudley Do Right don't shoot da fence .
 
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A guy in a department I used to work at shot himself in the foot with his newly acquired Glock 21. He tried to blame in on a malfunction. Turns out he had a finger on the trigger while reholstering.

Word to the wise: a 230gr JHP to the top of the foot makes a nasty wound.
 

Badfinger

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^^^^^ Right after Dayton PD issued Glocks a crew was on a domestic and after one of the officers returned to his unit he did the same thing with his finger on the trigger.
 
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Ya'll 'experts' are forgetting one massively important factor that fits directly into this equation. Tide position.

If the moon's gravity is SO STRONG that it pulls all the water from one side of the ocean to another, just think how little effort the moon has to exert to pull that little pin, let alone little trigger. This really was a 'design flaw' on glock's behalf. They didn't take into account 'lunar gravity up the sea'. Or simply referred to as "lunisea".

There, fixed it for ya'll.
 

Slash0311

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Heres my thoughts.

I have seen a pin on Glocks work itself out if not correctly engaging with the slide stop lever. But I never saw one out more than an eighth to maybe a quarter inch. But for one to fall completely out at the exact moment the gun was going into the holster and catch on "something" and the trigger, I don't see how it would be in any position to fire the gun.

I saw a neighboring department have a gun fire as a guy was getting out of his car. The official cause was said to be the seat belt clip got in his holster and hit the trigger. He was a lefty and running a weapon mounted light causing enough space to let it happen. I actually believe the guy as he didn't even have the gun out.

Moral of the story. I'd say bullshit but very strange things do happen.
 
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W54/XM-388

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You do understand that in the whole history of hand guns there has never been a revolver made with a manual safety. The safety is between your ears.
The difference is that on a DA/SA revolver the DA pull is significantly higher than the average pull weight for your striker fired pistol, which means that it's a lot hard for the trigger to be fully pulled due to non specific intent mechanical manipulation.
SA revolvers or a DA/SA revolver in SA mode have a very light trigger, but just about nobody in their right mind carries them hammer back because the danger of accidental discharge is well known.

It's well known the modern cool thing is no safety and striker fired pistols and lots of people love those and are fine with them & many preach it as a religion disparaging all who dare to prefer the ancient stone age idea of mechanical safeties. (the little lever inside the trigger on the Glock & similar is NOT a safety)

There are however many valid reasons for wanting safeties and DA/SA with / without safety, but they do require a lot of practice to get used to properly.
 
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@Downtown I just knew someone would dig something up. That looks like a cluster fuck.

@W54/XM-388 I am not knocking safeties. Just that your brain must be engaged at all times. I find that many (dare I say most ) LEO are not gun guys like those of us here. That many only draw there weapon one tiime a year to qualify.
If that was my glock, or most anyone here, I am sure I would have known the pin was loose. While crazy ass shit does happen I think the odds are against what has been stated happened.
A manual safety would only have stopped the discharge if it was engaged. And if the gun did have a mechanical issue odds are eventually this "accident" would have happened beings that human input on the manual saftey would be relied on all the time.
On most modern pistols any manual safety seems to come as an after thought (because they are) and are not as fluid/ergonomic as they should be (1911 saftey is great in my opinon).
 
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