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I believe there is a requirement for keeping ammo boxed but I believe the box can be in your locked rifle case.
 
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Firearms

  • When traveling, comply with the laws concerning possession of firearms as they vary by local, state and international governments.
  • If you are traveling internationally with a firearm in checked baggage, please check the U.S. Customs and Border Protection website for information and requirements prior to travel.
  • Declare each firearm each time you present it for transport as checked baggage. Ask your airline about limitations or fees that may apply.
  • Firearms must be unloaded and locked in a hard-sided container and transported as checked baggage only. As defined by 49 CFR 1540.5 a loaded firearm has a live round of ammunition, or any component thereof, in the chamber or cylinder or in a magazine inserted in the firearm. Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock unless TSA personnel request the key to open the firearm container to ensure compliance with TSA regulations.
  • Firearm parts, including magazines, clips, bolts and firing pins, are prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage.
  • Replica firearms, including firearm replicas that are toys, may be transported in checked baggage only.
  • Rifle scopes are permitted in carry-on and checked baggage.
Ammunition

  • Ammunition is prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage.
  • Firearm magazines and ammunition clips, whether loaded or empty, must be securely boxed or included within a hard-sided case containing an unloaded firearm. Read the requirements governing the transport of ammunition in checked baggage as defined by 49 CFR 175.10 (a)(8).
  • Small arms ammunition, including ammunition not exceeding .75 caliber and shotgun shells of any gauge, may be carried in the same hard-sided case as the firearm.
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition
 
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Totally disagree with using TSA locks. If you do then anyone can open your gun case. If TSA has an issue, they will get in touch with you and ask for the keys to you locks. I fly Southwest and they say right in their rules for flying with a firearm, to NOT use TSA locks.


Greg
It’s a double edged sword. If TSA needs you they will page you and make u open it. If you miss your flight because if it it’s on you.
 

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It’s a double edged sword. If TSA needs you they will page you and make u open it. If you miss your flight because if it it’s on you.

That's true, I've been asked for my keys twice, both within minutes of boarding a plane. They delivered the keys back to me while I was on the plane. Both times it was an ammo issue, not a gun issue. Still don't want the baggage guys being able to also unlock the case and they do have TSA keys.


Greg
 
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Totally disagree with using TSA locks. If you do then anyone can open your gun case. If TSA has an issue, they will get in touch with you and ask for the keys to you locks. I fly Southwest and they say right in their rules for flying with a firearm, to NOT use TSA locks.


Greg
Because a pelican is only ever used for guns??

Also, what are you doing between the shuttle and TSA firearm check in that you're leaving it for someone to open
 
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I've flown numerous times, including mutliple international trips with firearms. Never have I used TSA locks, and never have I missed a flight because of it.

TSA always looks at the case right after the check-in process - you will almost always know right away whether they need into your case or not. Not a big deal at all, I've had to open it up numerous times and it is very painless.

Arrive at the airport early and follow the rules, and it will be an easy and painless process.
 
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TSA locks. use TSA locks
NEVER use TSA locks for rifle cases. I believe it does or did actually say this in the TSA rules. I never have and never will and will advise against it.

If TSA needs to look in your case they will call you to open it. I have had it happen and actually per their rules they are supposed to have you there watching. Some are pains in the ass so i just gave them the key.

Also if shipping your ammo ahead of time is an option it's not a bad one. I shipped all my ammo to matches when I flew and just flew home with the ammo I didn't use.
 

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NEVER use TSA locks for rifle cases. I believe it does or did actually say this in the TSA rules. I never have and never will and will advise against it.

If TSA needs to look in your case they will call you to open it. I have had it happen and actually per their rules they are supposed to have you there watching. Some are pains in the ass so i just gave them the key.

Also if shipping your ammo ahead of time is an option it's not a bad one. I shipped all my ammo to matches when I flew and just flew home with the ammo I didn't use.
Totally agree. I also take photos of everything that's in the case with my phone. Never have had an issue with TSA when the ammo is at or less than 400 rounds. Even though most airlines will say 11 lbs.

Greg
 
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Not going to read every bit of it, but DO NOT USE TSA LOCKS ON YOUR CASE, ever. If TSA wants in, you are to be present when they open the case. You and only you are to be in possession of the keys to open the case. Ammo is fine in side a hard side locked case as long as it is in factory boxes or other hard sided boxes designed to carry ammo (MTM cases, etc.) Also, don't worry about connecting flights in unfriendly zones, but DO NOT EVER TAKE POSSESION of them if something happens. Mine have been in LA and Chiraq more times than I can count, with no problems. If a flight gets canceled or delayed, leave your stuff at the airport and/or stay there yourself. If you have to leave do not take them with you or you open the door to lots of problems.

Get to the airport early, plan on some bullshit here and there, and never expect the same thing twice.
 
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Just looking for any insight as far as California goes, specifically Palm Springs.

I am going to be driving down from Canada to shoot the TPRC match in November and then flying home from Palm Springs.
I have a bolt action in a MPA chassis. Just wanted to make sure there were no issues with pistol grips etc. I think that only applies to gas guns but I thought I would double check.
 

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Just looking for any insight as far as California goes, specifically Palm Springs.

I am going to be driving down from Canada to shoot the TPRC match in November and then flying home from Palm Springs.
I have a bolt action in a MPA chassis. Just wanted to make sure there were no issues with pistol grips etc. I think that only applies to gas guns but I thought I would double check.
Bolt gun and only 10 rounds magazines and you will be fine.

Greg
 

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Just looking for any insight as far as California goes, specifically Palm Springs.

I am going to be driving down from Canada to shoot the TPRC match in November and then flying home from Palm Springs.
I have a bolt action in a MPA chassis. Just wanted to make sure there were no issues with pistol grips etc. I think that only applies to gas guns but I thought I would double check.
It's a bolt action rifle, does not matter what it looks like
 
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Interesting on the TSA locks, The last time I flew with a firearm, I had to have them. That was several years ago. I guess they had enough airport people breaking into and stealing weapons, (and probably got sued for it) that they decided against making you have TSA locks since then.

Because far be it for the airlines to actually securely transport a sensitive item such as a firearm. They want all the money if you carry baggage one, but they don't want any responsibility for charging you extra. I believe I did pay for oversize baggage that last time. Also, back then you could carry the ammo (stored in individual ammunition containers) in a locked piece of luggage. I had a pistol case full of ammo locked inside my travel bag. But, I found, back then, you could put the ammo in with the firearm. I thought that strange.

Added:
I also guess I'm lucky, as I noted I went through the whole TSA security line and when I got to Reno, my rifle case had been opened between MSP and RNO
 

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I have been flying with firearms since the TSA started as a way to lock my checked luggage and prevent theft.

I read the TSA regulations and as far as I can tell it has never been legal to fly with TSA locks on luggage containing a gun.

The TSA agents are generally hugely ignorant of their own regulations so sometimes an idiot will tell you otherwise but they are wrong, get real locks.
 
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From the TSA website (https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition)

  • Firearms must be unloaded and locked in a hard-sided container and transported as checked baggage only. As defined by 49 CFR 1540.5 a loaded firearm has a live round of ammunition, or any component thereof, in the chamber or cylinder or in a magazine inserted in the firearm. Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock unless TSA personnel request the key to open the firearm container to ensure compliance with TSA regulations. You may use any brand or type of lock to secure your firearm case, including TSA-recognized locks.
 
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My wife is a flight attendant and thus we can fly standby status for free. It specifically says in the TSA guidelines NOT to use TSA locks on a gun case. I printed my name and phone number along with the TSA regulation that states the owner must be present to open the case and used 10 layers of clear packing tape to secure it to the side of my Pelican case. Also make sure you have a separate insurance policy to cover your contents in case of loss or damage, as its highly unlikely the airline will compensate you if your item is damaged.
 
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My wife is a flight attendant and thus we can fly standby status for free. It specifically says in the TSA guidelines NOT to use TSA locks on a gun case. I printed my name and phone number along with the TSA regulation that states the owner must be present to open the case and used 10 layers of clear packing tape to secure it to the side of my Pelican case. Also make sure you have a separate insurance policy to cover your contents in case of loss or damage, as its highly unlikely the airline will compensate you if your item is damaged.
You didn’t see my post 2 up did you? TSA does allow TSA locks and when you non rev you cannot transport firearms. Not sure which airline your wife works for but it’s in the non rev rules I’m sure.
 
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You didn’t see my post 2 up did you? TSA does allow TSA locks and when you non rev you cannot transport firearms. Not sure which airline your wife works for but it’s in the non rev rules I’m sure.
Something has definitely changed then, I non-revved all the time and had weapons go with me. That was Great Lakes (no longer operating), Mesaba, a Northwest Airlink commuter (so I flew a lot on NW), and US Airways. Both now merged into Delta.
 
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You didn’t see my post 2 up did you? TSA does allow TSA locks and when you non rev you cannot transport firearms. Not sure which airline your wife works for but it’s in the non rev rules I’m sure.
I am also an airline employee and for the last 13 years I’ve been working there, I take my firearms with me to destinations all over, non rev. May want to check those non rev rules again.
 
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I am also an airline employee and for the last 13 years I’ve been working there, I take my firearms with me to destinations all over, non rev. May want to check those non rev rules again.
I know for a fact mine doesn’t allow it. I didn’t check and I got caught with my pants down. That’s how I know. I’m honestly shocked they allow them at all.
 
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I know for a fact mine doesn’t allow it. I didn’t check and I got caught with my pants down. That’s how I know. I’m honestly shocked they allow them at all.
I'm not surprised they aren't allowing it either now. Airlines don't want to have to deal with luggage that needs to be secured. if you got bumped, then the case goes ahead of you, or if it gets bumped, highly likely due to mail now, it has to come on a later flight. I've had both happen. The airline doesn't want the responsibility. They want the money, but it doesn't offset the responsibility when someone has to babysit a piece of luggage.
 
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