Data Book and Charts - Dope - Wind Rose - Weaponized Math - MOA to Mil - Jack Master

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UPDATE - I posted Fillable charts as the attached PDFs. Now you should be able to type in your drop and wind data right into the PDF. Most PDF editors (adobe and the likes of) should be able to let you input your data.

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I have put together a couple charts that can help us all make better dope books. For My data book I like to cut these out, laminate them back to back then hole puch the card and place it in my data book. This an 8.5x11 piece of paper that could be folded in half to have all of your numbers.

Here is my typical data book page for drop charts with the wind rose on the back. The first row of the wind columns I usually put my rifle MPH and fill the column for that.
See the attachement for the PDF of each of these.
Long Range Blank Data Card 8.5x11.jpg

Here is an example of my Card filled out for 8000DA
Tikka 6.5 Creed HL 130ELD 2019-09-26 8000ft.jpg

Lastly - here is the weaponized math with the MOA-Mil conversion
Weaponized Math and MOA to Mils.jpg
 

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Thanks Jack, feeding an engineers brain in the way it eats! This is very helpful for how I see data and these problems.
 

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Dumb question - how do you use the Try Dope?
Check it out here
Here is the link to the article on the Math we discussed in the Podcast from Alaska


Weaponized Math Article

Take my 6.5, for instance, at my home range: 8.7 at 1,000 minus 5.8 at 800 equals 2.9 Mils of drop in that 200-yard gap. If I take that 2.9 and multiply it by .45, it gives me 1.3 Mils. Add that to my 800-yard data of 5.8 and it gives me... guess what...? What my TRASOL spits out for my 900-yard data!


8.7-5.8 = 2.9.


2.9 x .45 = 1.3


5.8 + 1.3 = 7.1 Mils


7.1 Mils to a water-line hit


This was great. Problem solved at 900 from now on, and it saved student ammo and instructor aggravation. I could now concentrate on the student’s wind call knowing that the data I gave him was elevation-correct, minus his input and windage. And it works in MOA or Mil, of course. I had created voodoo.
 

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I always carry with me plastic cards I make out of CB pre-built field charts, including a fully fledged DA chart that is done in a split second.
 

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Here are some photos of my data book. @seansmd
With the wind chart on the back of each chart I can see my dope chart and the wind chart each time my book is open.
Further in the back I have paper for notes or sketching. Field charts for updating data and blank charts to right out charts if I don't have one.
I also have a milling chart laminated and instructions to program my Lisa range finder.
Book is a MILITARY NOTE BOOK COVER from tactical notebook covers
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Using your example data from 8000da, what’s the math to figure out a 9mph or 12mph wind?

Or do you look at average the difference between the 7&10 to get close enough for the 9 mph example? Split the difference between a 10&14mph for the 12?
 

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Using your example data from 8000da, what’s the math to figure out a 9mph or 12mph wind?

Or do you look at average the difference between the 7&10 to get close enough for the 9 mph example? Split the difference between a 10&14mph for the 12?
Not sure if you are talking about the full value wind correction (his wind rose) or the resultant wind hold?
If it is the full value wind correction,, yes you interpolate like his example showed with the red detail(17 bring between 15 and 20).

If you are talking the resulting wind hold of the resulting full value wind, it depends on the mph of your gun and then you will still need to interpolate if it falls between values.. his example above resulted in a full value wind of 9mph, if my gun is a 6pmh gun i need to adjust wind hold at 1.5x for the distance. For my 6mph gun @500 yards is 0.5mil x 1.5 would make my hold 0.75, and I would interpolate to either 0.7 or 0.8 depending on the situation. If your gun is a 5pmh gun, the 9mph full value wind would be closer to 1.8x your math would then be, 500y is 0.5mils x 1.8 which would be a 0.9 mil wind hold at 500y.

Others will check my math.
 

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Using your example data from 8000da, what’s the math to figure out a 9mph or 12mph wind?

Or do you look at average the difference between the 7&10 to get close enough for the 9 mph example? Split the difference between a 10&14mph for the 12?
Seansmd has the right idea. You'll take a percentage of this, this is the only math you have to do on the line.
For the example above at 600yds, 9mph is 0.7, maybe 0.8 if the winds are gusty. At 600 yards, 12mph wind is 1.0 (split the difference)

In this example the 7 mph and 10 mph are really close together. If you have a 4 mph gun, I would replace the 7mph column with 4 mph holds. Then 10 and 4 are further apart and not used in conjunction (as much) like the 7 and 10 are used. This is why you will see in the blank sheet the mph of the first wind column is not filled in. its for you to place you gun MPH in it.
 
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For consistency sake, shouldn't 12 and 6 o'clock be zero and you measure from the 3/9 o'clock position?
 

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For consistency sake, shouldn't 12 and 6 o'clock be zero and you measure from the 3/9 o'clock position?
Yes, at 6 and 12 would be zero, but to read the chart in the field faster and easier its useful to have the wind speed in it. Frank and I talked about this as well, and decided to go with the speeds in the 6 and 12.
 

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Not sure if you are talking about the full value wind correction (his wind rose) or the resultant wind hold?
If it is the full value wind correction,, yes you interpolate like his example showed with the red detail(17 bring between 15 and 20).

If you are talking the resulting wind hold of the resulting full value wind, it depends on the mph of your gun and then you will still need to interpolate if it falls between values.. his example above resulted in a full value wind of 9mph, if my gun is a 6pmh gun i need to adjust wind hold at 1.5x for the distance. For my 6mph gun @500 yards is 0.5mil x 1.5 would make my hold 0.75, and I would interpolate to either 0.7 or 0.8 depending on the situation. If your gun is a 5pmh gun, the 9mph full value wind would be closer to 1.8x your math would then be, 500y is 0.5mils x 1.8 which would be a 0.9 mil wind hold at 500y.

Others will check my math.
What do you mean by the"mph of your gun"?
 

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What do you mean by the"mph of your gun"?
Read here - and read/watch it all twice.
 
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I am thinking how I can integrate this into my arm band as well. Especially on unknown distance stages on the clock.
 

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I have put together a couple charts that can help us all make better dope books. For My data book I like to cut these out, laminate them back to back then hole puch the card and place it in my data book. This an 8.5x11 piece of paper that could be folded in half to have all of your numbers.

Here is my typical data book page for drop charts with the wind rose on the back. The first row of the wind columns I usually put my rifle MPH and fill the column for that.
See the attachement for the PDF of each of these.
View attachment 7160415

Here is an example of my Card filled out for 8000DA
View attachment 7160417

Lastly - here is the weaponized math with the MOA-Mil conversion
View attachment 7160421
What’s the ranging column for?
 

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I mostly use this column for wind bracketing. It gives me a rough idea of the target width if it happens to be given to us. Example 8"plate at 600 yds will be about .4mil wide. 10mph wind gusting to 15mph will be a .8mil to 1.2 mil hold. My bracket is .4 wide. So now I can hold .8 at the center of plate and if the wind gusts up I need to to slide .8 to edge of plate.
It's also posible to use it for very ...very rough ranging. 10in is about the size of prarie dogs laid flat and i like to double check my range finder when i am getting several numbers due to terrain.
I suppose I should post a blank sheet with the ranging in moa as well.
 
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@Jack Master you may be able to save these up in the resource section, it may allow saving of the XLS as well.

I certainly appreciate the content and the willingness to help!
 

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This is awesome, thank you for sharing.

I'm pretty new to the long range world, and it seems like I've had my face buried in my phone, playing with at least a half dozen different ballistic apps. Ever since the podcasts & online training modules on rifle MPH, weaponized math, etc., I'm actually starting to do this without the apps, and I feel like I am learning so much more.

These resources (and discussions) are such a huge help.
 

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I'm working to make the pdfs have text boxes on them so everyone can input thier info from a pdf. I need to find someone with a high end pdf editor to get this set up. I might have found someone with it. If any of you have a high end editor please let me know. Thanks
 

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I'm working to make the pdfs have text boxes on them so everyone can input thier info from a pdf. I need to find someone with a high end pdf editor to get this set up. I might have found someone with it. If any of you have a high end editor please let me know. Thanks
Jack, I have several programs that can make those edit. Pm me if needed. I’d love to help in any way!
 

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Sorry, but I'm confused.

The sidebar notes on the first page... I assume aerodynamic jump - it's a verticle component? And it is .1 MILs/10mph... subtract from elevation data?

Also, I thought Spin Drift "1% come up" was a horizontal component, regardless of wind, not a verticle? 90° wind, subtract from windage data?
 

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Sorry, but I'm confused.

The sidebar notes on the first page... I assume aerodynamic jump - it's a verticle component? And it is .1 MILs/10mph... subtract from elevation data?

Also, I thought Spin Drift "1% come up" was a horizontal component, regardless of wind, not a verticle? 90° wind, subtract from windage data?
Conaso - You have the correct idea.
Yes, Aerodynamic jump is a vertical component that can be up or down depending on the wind direction.
yes, Spin Drift is a windage adjustment. If I add "of" in there it makes more sense. "1% of the come-up"
 

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That is awesome! Thanks for taking the time to post this, and share! I was just a plinkster three years ago, and I’ve come a long way, thanks to Frank and people like you on this forum.
 
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Printed off a few of each, I'll have to compare how I like these sheets vs the impact data book sheets. Also I'm still marveling at how well the weaponized math works. Although the bottom pre estimated numbers are way off for my altitude. I may have to make my own cheat sheet. Thanks for the hard work! Looks great!