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As a person that has lived in a place that the world doesn’t think land exists........ I can assure you that the water hasn’t come up....... I already know the response “ how dare you”
It comes up twice a day at the beach several feet.
 

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You are living in denial. Does your Prius have lithium ion batteries or nickel metal hydride? Do some reading on how those are mined and processed. How many different countries provided parts? How did they get to the assembly location? So you drive 100 miles a day huh? Wouldent it be better for the environment if you lived in a cardboard box behind your work? How many solar panels do you have? How many wind turbines? Hydro dams? Do you have cable and internet? Your worse then the average idiot because you think your doing good for the environment while your trashing it worse than most.
This is the type of nonsense that fuels the stupidity on both sides.
1. I’m not putting myself out there as a social warrior or green peace rep.
Fuel aside check the cost of ownership on a Prius for a high mile driver very difficult to beat.

at some point technology has to be allowed to advance to find solutions. this is the start. It’s great that a gas combustion engine get 3x the fuel efficiency that it did in the 70s. Think about how many people fought higher fuel efficiency standards.

do I have wind turbine or solar. Currently no. HOA won’t allow turbine and the efficiency on the solar power doesn’t make sense in my area for retrofit if a home.

now after the research I did on this for my area you better believe if I was building a new home I absolutely would invest in solar.

acknowledging a man made shift to the environment doesn’t mean you have to subscribe to a chicken little the sky is falling mentality. But the reality is each of us can make simple changes that benefit the environment.

I think it is a travesty personally that the government has not paved the way for solid public private ventures into renewabkes and public transportation.

hell I live in a town where light commuter rail doesn’t travel because the city to my south believes that expansion of the rail line will allow the riff raff of the inner city to invade there town. I group on longisland where robert Moses built the overpasses super low on purpose to keep buses containing blacks from coming out onto the island. Here we are 100 years later and it’s the same shit.

I’m sure if you lived on a small island in the pacific that was disappearing you may have a different outlook on these things. But ask yourself this how hard is it to just make decisions that benefit the ecology. Fact is green has produced more newjobs than old energy.
You are living in denial. Does your Prius have lithium ion batteries or nickel metal hydride? Do some reading on how those are mined and processed. How many different countries provided parts? How did they get to the assembly location? So you drive 100 miles a day huh? Wouldent it be better for the environment if you lived in a cardboard box behind your work? How many solar panels do you have? How many wind turbines? Hydro dams? Do you have cable and internet? Your worse then the average idiot because you think your doing good for the environment while your trashing it worse than most.

first you are referencing a 13 year old study that has been debunked that the production f a Prius is so inefficient it offsets it’s benefits. Hell I think they used that study in a monologue on top gear a decade ago.

a d when you factor in the excellant life span and nearly no makntance on the vehicle not only does it have one of the lowest cost of ownerships it blows away the average vehicle in terms of green hous gas production long term.

individual vehicles also serve as the large producer of green house gases in most cities in the US

I’m not a social warrior and I’m not a green peace fanatic. But it is so easy to make some basic choices that benefits the environment

Acknowledging climate shift does not mean you have to subscribe to a chicken little the sky is falling mentality.

you ask about my effort. I live in a windy place actually but was denied by my HOA on a small wind turbine for my home and I looked into solar extensively. Why would I not want to be self sufficient, you?
Unfortunately the numbers did t add up and I’m my community I’m locked into an electrical coop that negates some of the financial advantages. Now if I was building new, absolutely I would go solar.
 

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Haven't priced solar panels in a many years but we had a guy quote our small building which is only 6000 sf and he wanted 400K. That's more then the building cost some 20 years ago. We would never use 400K in electricity besides the panels degrade every year and are good for 20 years before they need to be replaced. I know you get to sell electricity back to the power company but I doubt it would be that much for a small system.
 

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Me, I don’t claim to be a greenie but I know how to be efficient. My first vehicle was a motorcycle. I’ve owned a handful of geo metros, vw rabbits (1.6 diesel, Chevy luvs and yes I drove these in Houston on the freeway. You haven’t lived until you’ve entered the Houston freeway in a old vw diesel daily!
I knew how stirling engines worked and how to solar heat your house in Elementry school. Do you know about Edison nickel iron batteries? I have a small collection. I can have a 96v bank or two 48v or what I’ll probably do is have a few 24v banks doubled up then I can use cheap mil surp 24v generators. I will be running them off a gasifier. I will eventually put up a wind generator. I will be burning wood for heat and electricity. Despite what people think it’s still better than electric from grid. I do these things for me and mine. Meanwhile places like San Francisco was it that banned natural gas? Yet the state can’t even produce enough electricity for itself? So it makes the greenies feel good to rip out working appliances from a established system with infrastructure in place to replace them with less efficient appliances that have to be manufactured just to be further dependent on neighboring states power generation capabilities and using even more coal just so they can stick their noses up at people still using clean burning natural gas..
 
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What happened to Venus was caused by the warming of the sun.

At one time scientists, as in settled scientists, believe Venus was cooler and more earthlike.

Over billions of years the sun got hotter.

The sun is getting hotter now.

Make no mistake our future is that of Venus.

It just won't happen by any means we have control of.

Move to Mars their future is one of warming, water melting to become liquid and perhaps the creation of an atmosphere.

Im not saying go pollute.

What I am saying is it's insane to outright ban coal when our technology is capable of providing cheap economy, quality of life boosting energy, and overcoming the pollution created.

Dems banning cheap energy is to pressure and destroy the middle class.

The want a two class society.....

The controlled dependents.

The elite "planners".
Then Mercury should be hotter but it's not. It's because of the atmosphere.

I'm sure we've watched movies where the scientist give warnings and the crowd brushes it to the side only to feel the pain later. Your talking about scientist with degrees that study this stuff vs what you see in a study or personal experience.

While I'm not necessarily one of those scientists, I do know some, have worked with some, studied under some, and understand the math that governs it all. It's not make believe, and yeah, the ice cores are relevant here. Why wouldn't they be?

Next time someone is pushing their religion on you ask them two questions.

1). What percentage of our atmosphere is CO2? Hint: .000391. Can you name anything else in nature that is controlled by such an insignificant amount of an element?

2). In science every theory is able to be definitively disproven by certain facts. Since there is no fact or evidence that can disprove AGCC (like disproving God) it cannot be science.
1. It's .04 and 100x that and the body is getting ready to pitch a fit. And yeah, I can name infinite things in nature that depend on very small and very large numbers. Numbers are my thing.

2. ? I think what you mean is that it only takes one proof of the opposite to break down a theory. For example you only need to show one scenario where a^x+b^x =c^x to show that statement wrong. This isn't the same thing, we're not talking about a theorem here.


snopes called you out hard. Everything you state means nothing to me know. Mountains don't cause pollution near the scale of automobiles and the fact that you state this is laughable.
One did. The shield volcano in Russia. It caused a mass extinction. As that relates to cars, I don't know but I do know it significantly raised CO2 levels worldwide --but then again it also took like a million or more years to accomplish it all too where we've done basically the same damage in less than 300. Unless you all have another explanation for where all that carbon came from. But my guess is it's the shit locked up from one of the previous scrubbing missions millions of years ago we released via combustion.

And I'm sure there were many relevant ice ages and such caused by celstia as well as terrestial causes. But fact is it's happening now and there isn't a natural explanation but there is a man made one.

Fact: enough small species have died off fast enough that we're now well within the "Holocene Mass Extinction Event" so dude, you're living it right now and with humans so narrow minded and so much fake news and propaganda, I'm not surprised you didn't notice it even after it fell in your lap.

The politics only make this worse. Why use them in this argument, when have either side ever been right or for the right cause? Bottom line is republicans are heavily funded by coal and oil and so they pander to them, of course they say it's fake, they'd sell their own mother for a 1% tax break! Then the democreeps? They're just funded by the opposition so it's not really any different, they'd sell their own fathers for a 1% cut in on the profits made from capping the competition.

And once again "we the people" get the fucking shitty end of the stick. Sound familiar?

Most scientists I know of would probably take offense at you boxing them in with either side and I know of a couple that would make you eat teeth over it, not kidding. Remember most of us mathematicians and scientists are also dyed in the wool sociopaths, and we don't really care about the emotions of other humans when facts get in the way. I tend to hate both parties equally and vote 2A, I'm a line item BOR voter --if Clinton bought stock in KAC and sponsored the suppressor bill and overturned the Hughes amendment, I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. It's that simple to me.

Besides, when it comes to science, you REALLY take the word of an 80yo pedophile that keeps company with a bitch that wears a bedazzled cowboy hat in public? You really wanna bring this to that level? Leave politics out of it, please, I beg you.
 

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Seems alot of our politicians and presidents are pedophiles and the reason Jeffery Epstein had a private sex island serving children to these depraved sub humans.
 
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What a load of total horse shit. If a minuscule change like that tanked the system there would be no life on Earth. What the ice cores tell us has to be savagely twisted to meet this interpretation, and it’s much more likely that increased carbon levels follow warm periods rather than cause them. There is no REAL evidence for this, only wild ass theory supported by junk science, with manipulated data that keeps changing, but always to support the religion.

I know scientists too. Anthropogenic Climate Change as “science” is bullshit, but you believe whatever you want to believe. If you understand basic scientific method and have this deep faith in environmentalism then tell us what fact would disprove AGCC? There is no higher arrogance than pretending to understand the largest observable system, with the most variables, but pretending to control it? Now you are in a beyond land. NOTHING Can disprove your faith. If the Earth warms its AGCC. If the Earth cools its AGCC. If there is a 20 year pause it’s AGCC. Data is manipulated, and the priests have spoken. At this point the left so invested, and the solution is only total control of all energy, that the truth cannot even be discussed...hence “climate denial”.
 

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Money can solve this issue , all onboard with AOC and ponytails know we will die in 12 years if we don't stop using fossil fuels last year and kill all farting cows starting last year.
Bet people money although you can't collect until 2031 that we will still be alive using fossil fuels and fresh hot steaming cow shit will still be around. Hopefully the douche bags will not, preaching doomsday.
 

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I must have posted this exact graph on here at least half a dozen times:
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No one is really arguing that climate doesn't change.
If it didn't you would of had a helluva time driving through the glaciers.
The Great Lakes are kinda cool as well.
Those that have/would bamboozle have played this game before.
Here are some buzz words to remember: Ozone, Coastal flooding, Acid Rain, Polar Bears, Carbon storage in the Taiga Forest...
If you feel better by doing your part, not really any skin off my back.
If you'd like to tax me for the difference, I'll likely have a problem.
As seen in the above graph we've experienced quite a range of temp averages since the last
ice age.
I've yet to meet someone who spends their days polluting.
Another axiom to consider, the orders of effect more than some of the proposed regulations will have.
I once heard a profound statement concerning "hallowed ideals".
"I find it hard to take direction of personal restraint from a man that weights over 350 pounds".
Once you've witnessed a couple of dozen failed predictions the bullshit meter gets active.

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so I am trying to track this data down...I can’t. But I did see some sites that mentioned this data set is cut off at 1905 and if you put the next 100 years you see a big spike up
 

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I live on a small island in the pacific well 2 to be precise.. a mile down the road from me are 2 little houses that at high tide are about a foot from the water, they've been there for probably 100 years and from historical photos they dont look any closer to the water today than back then, is there a chance that the tiny Pacific islands you mention are just coral outcrops that have appeared over 1000s of years due to wind, sand and silt build up etc and will just as easily be swallowed up again over 1000s of years... sea level rise is an absolute crock of shit.

We are being shouted at by environmentalists that we need to change, and though my opinion is based on nothing but my bullshit detector you have to think most pollution is spewed out by big industry making all the disposable shit that we throw away every day my baby shits in disposable nappies all my food comes in far too much packaging I've got a garage full of polystyrene and cardboard that gets packed around everything you buy but it's me fucking the planet with my car? Yes your Prius gets good gas mileage and yes they dont need a lot of maintenance but you are still burning up fossil fuels. Youd get better gas mileage out of a new european diesel hatchback if that's the only goal. How long do you plan on keeping your prius? I've had my car for 12 years now and its still chugging on and I have no intention of changing it until it refuses to take me to my jobs, I have friends that bang on about this shit and yet they change cars every 2 years, who uses the most resources them or me? Every plumber and builder in the country is driving a big thirsty (for NZ) 4wd because it's a good tax dodge. Seems like an easy thing to fix to get people driving round in little eco cars for 10 years at a time and just tax the shit out of anything bigger or if you want a new car every 2 years pay 10k to dispose of your old one.

We have just elected a fucking green mayor who's claim to fame was that he didnt drive into town every day he hitched a lift. So piggy backing onto someone else's emissions makes him a fucking martyr. Our council are spending millions of dollars on cycle lanes that literally no bastard uses because it's always fucking cold or raining here and the fact that there are big hills everywhere. And who wants to cycle 45 minutes to work in the pissing rain and turn up sweaty and smelly. But hey its green so it must be good even if nobody uses them, yet we still have 1000s of wankers here claiming they are being green yet as soon as theres a little bit of effort required nah I'll take the car instead of getting my suit dirty. I think nearly every local council here apart from 1 has declared a climate emergency last year. Our government promised that they would get rid of all their fossil fuel burning cars by some arbitrary date and recently they cancelled that promise as it was going to be too expensive to get 15000 electric cars on the road and also impractical they managed to get something like 73..

My wife has a hybrid and it's not because shes saving the planet but because she gets to charge it at work for free.. it doesnt use any less petrol than mine I will say though that we have mostly renewable energy generation here which is the only plus side but that's mostly hydro from dams that were made by flooding miles of beautiful valleys back in the day before all of this ecoshit started, they wouldnt have a shit show of doing it now for fear of destroying the habitat of the lesser spotted orange newt. But since it was a while ago they can say how green we are. Never mind all the materials used to make the power stations and the thousands of people they need to keep them operating how did they get there. Magic? We do what we do to survive and anyone that thinks it's going to change in the next 20 50 or 100 years is delusional. As long as there are billions of dollars at stake be it funding climate change studies to frighten people or consumerism nothing will change. Apart from some people being scared or bullied into drinking the coolaid(?)

And as for there suddenly being a spike in the last 100 years that may have something to do with the fact that we are measuring it in more places and more accurately all the time... I read an article the other day that said the oceans between 0 and 2000ft have warmed up in the last 50 year the equivalent of 5 Hiroshima bombs a second so around 5 billion anyone want to guess how much that increase was..... 0.075 of a degree.... I am fairly certain if a fish had farted on the sensor that measures to that accuracy it could have easily swayed the results or possible 6 inches wrong on the depth. But hey 5 atomic bombs a second sounds better.


Then there was the report that said the planet temps had risen by a degree or half a degree with a tolerance of +/- 1 degree? The wording in all this nonsense is vague theres a lot of could or might or maybe unless we do something now. It's like arse covering 101 when it gets colder in 10 years they will just flip and say fuck the models have now predicted that weve gotten so hot it's going to be an ice age like they said in the 70s and 80s.

As soon as someone can tell me what the weather is going to do say... next week with 100% accuracy I might start believing some of it until then suck my balls.

Just to add none of this is aimed at anyone in particular it's just me having a vent because the internet and freedom of speech n shit and I still cant get my fucking kimber springs.
 
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snopes called you out hard. Everything you state means nothing to me know. Mountains don't cause pollution near the scale of automobiles and the fact that you state this is laughable.
I believe I live in a city-town that has to rank in the top 5% of any place where the population is in denial of global warming. A cattle town that the railroad came through, which then turned into an oil, coal and gas haven.
I made my living in coal and gas, so it is hard for me to watch the demise of these industries. But I am also smart enough to believe if we are ruining our living quarters, maybe we ought to change our trains of thought. You don't need a super high IQ to see we have seen a shift in weather patterns recently, and with it some really nifty changes in the terms of weather patterns. An artic cold front is now a polar vortex, who the fuck comes up with this horseshit?

I think the biggest obstacle in changing peoples minds, or converting them into a different way of looking at things is the "Presentation".

You want to send a little round face half retarded kid taking a year off from school around the world decrying the perils of the way we cool, heat, or supply electricity to our way of life without a viable solution. Well, fuck you.
When the puppet AOC spouts we will be dead in 12 yrs, once again, fuck you.
You want to highlight the inadequacies of the existing infrastructure to deliver gas and oil, but refuse to replace them with safer, more efficient means, to the point where disruption and even sabotage of such ventures has become the norm, Look at the ND pipeline fiasco, or the northeast shipping liquid natural gas across the Atlantic ocean when the largest natural gas field in the country is 300 miles away. Here we go again, fuck you.
Let's discuss a group of people who complain about polluting our oceans, which is sad and needs direct attention, but yet live on bottled water, packaged single use snacks, (for fucks sake), packaged meals, yet can tell me I am doing something wrong. This is the same group of people that if Amazon, or especially if amazon prime shut down, so would they. How much waste is there getting your product to you the next day? People whined about wal mart ruining local business's, amazon has caused more company or corporate bankruptcies in the last 17 yrs it is unreal. 15 well placed bombs would vaporlock this country, thanks amazon. To those that need instant gratification, you have no room to point a finger, fuck you.
And don't use cali as your prime example, the state itself couldn't produce even 10% of it's own energy to survive. Yet surrounding states bear the burden of making sure ignorant shit can be spewed from that area instantly. Any dam failure on the Columbia river will end that utopia, fuck you.
I could go on for hours here.
I'm all for change, if it is for the better. But somebody needs to find better spokespersons for the job to alter my way of thinking. Having some cocksucker with 4 mansions, private jets, or yachts that consume more fuel in an hour than most of us can burn in a year preaching the virtues of a cleaner environment as the top salesperson, again, fuck you as there is no buy in on my end.
This country needs an Ideology change long before we tackle climate change, there is not much middle ground here. And I honestly believe the extremists on one side cannot change their path or minds. Really, who in their right minds would burn a continent to prove a point? Just devastate an environment for a cause. Or watch your state burn, because harvesting a few trees is not a sound practice.
Both sides need to grow the fuck up and examine the whole picture, but even a baseball bat to the side of the head wont open the eyes of those on the left.
 

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so I am trying to track this data down...I can’t. But I did see some sites that mentioned this data set is cut off at 1905 and if you put the next 100 years you see a big spike up
Show some solid proof and I'll withdraw that graph.
Until I see someone who is going to China, India, Africa to get a handle of the real place/problems
this is all just posturing.
Change my mind...

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so I am trying to track this data down...I can’t. But I did see some sites that mentioned this data set is cut off at 1905 and if you put the next 100 years you see a big spike up
Present day temps are represented by the horizontal line labeled "Present temps". The much discussed "spike" is not viewable at the scale on the chart. In other words, it's inconsequential in the relative time/temp graph.

Do you really believe that humans, and only humans, are solely responsible for the current warming trend based on the graph? The warming trend not even visible on the graph with temps, during recent human history, that are far warmer and visible on the graph, than current temps?
 

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I am pretty sure the planet will take care of itself without our intervention. If we don't kill each other first, then a major disease will kill the bulk of us before the planet ever does. The planet will be just fine, and if we all tried our best to produce a slightly smaller CO2 footprint, it wouldn't amount to shit anyway! Every piece of junk you see today will eventually be corroded dust and dirt in a few hundred thousand years, and the earth will still be spinning and twirling around the sun! The planet will be here and we will all be gone....including your virtue signaling Prius! All the pre-historic bones from thousands of years ago didn't survive, and neither will we.......and to think, they never even drove a CO2 emitting car! No legislative law or clean burning fuel is going to save us!
 
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As a person that has lived in a place that the world doesn’t think land exists........ I can assure you that the water hasn’t come up....... I already know the response “ how dare you”
it has barely risen as you say.
some researchers found out the group that provides those numbers have been fudging historical data (changing seal levels to lower numbers), literally doctoring the reports to make it look like sea level is rising more than it really is.

also, land subsides in some places. islands sink (but they don't capsize, hank).
 

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I have a house on Andros island in the Bahamas. My Dad bought it for $16K in 1962. I've been going there my whole life. It's about 200+ yards from the beach in the thick Caribbean jungle. That part of the Caribbean has some of the smallest tides in the world. Most of the time they're under 3'. The whole island is just the top of a huge reef that avulsed a tiny layer of topsoil over thousands of years. If you walk into the jungle you quickly discover that there are holes everywhere filled with saltwater. The whole island is full of coral holes and tunnels out to sea. If there was ANY rise in the sea level at all it would be immediately and unavoidably seen here first as in these holes the sea level and tide are completely observable with no other atmospheric phenomena or avulsion/erosion present. Just rocky holes of sea water that lead out to the depths. They have not changed at all in the 40 years I've been observing them.

The real denialists are the people who believe, on religious faith alone, that there can be no feedback mechanism or self regulating mechanism within our entire atmosphere (that is a "theory" that has a basis in fact, unlike AGCC), but rather that the smallest components of the system cause cataclysmic changes.

Can I PM you my name and address @NY700? You see, my wife had knee surgery in December, and I've been taking care of her for weeks and weeks; cooking, cleaning, and basically doing everything there is to do for the whole family without any help. I'm not crying and complaining just to bitch about it, I just want to convey to you how utterly bored I am, and how I'm experiencing feelings of exhaustion and despair. I can really think of nothing, nothing that would lift my spirits more than if you told your scientist friends what I've said about AGCC, the Environmental/Climate religion in general, and about them specifically while you're at it, so they can pay me a visit and make me "eat teeth" for calling bullshit on their anti-science religion and betrayal of the title of "scientist".

I will pay you $1,000 US for every "scientist" who shows up at my door to make me "eat teeth". God bless you sir, I'll be home today by 5:30!

P.S. - They certainly don't have to come one at a time like Crows. I'm just as happy to receive them in groups like Apaches.
 

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What gets me is that they point to the northern polar ice cap and claim its melt will cause sea levels to rise.

If a volume of frozen water sitting on a volume of liquid water melts how does it raise the sea level?

Is more volume created? If anything it would be a decrease in volume as their is a lot of air in the ice.

I get it that melting glaciers shedding water to the sea would raise the volume of the seas or the melt of the southern ice cap over Antarctica could be an issue.

Ross ice shelf breaks off though big deal - net 0.

Last week heard National Parks had to remove signs claiming loss of glaciers by 2020 because.........the glaciers are still there.


Just a question I wonder about when the doomsayers tell me to be scared.
 

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What gets me is that they point to the northern polar ice cap and claim its melt will cause sea levels to rise.

If a volume of frozen water sitting on a volume of liquid water melts how does it raise the sea level?

Is more volume created? If anything it would be a decrease in volume as their is a lot of air in the ice.

I get it that melting glaciers shedding water to the sea would raise the volume of the seas or the melt of the southern ice cap over Antarctica could be an issue.

Ross ice shelf breaks off though big deal - net 0.
I don't want to be the "ackchyually" guy but details are important in these kinds of arguments. Freshwater float ice is less dense than saltwater. Thus, it contains more volume by weight than the water it is displacing. The result would be a net increase in ocean level if it all melted. I think the more compelling argument is that every bit of floating ice on the globe could melt and the predicted sea-level rise would be 4cm. It is still a non-issue.
 

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I don't want to be the "ackchyually" guy but details are important in these kinds of arguments. Freshwater float ice is less dense than saltwater. Thus, it contains more volume by weight than the water it is displacing. The result would be a net increase in ocean level if it all melted. I think the more compelling argument is that every bit of floating ice on the globe could melt and the predicted sea-level rise would be 4cm. It is still a non-issue.

Thank you.

I presented a hypothesis.

You presented facts to disprove the hypothesis.

You didn't fudge the facts to disprove my theory.

You used a data set that takes into account the entire time span of the system.

You didn't dismiss variables that disprove your point.

Scientific method by you.

You I believe, Al Gore not so much.
 

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What happened to the "Acid Rain" that was going to ruin North America in the 70's? Haven't heard of that shit in 30 yrs. It was so bad when I was in high school, I expected to wake some morning after a rain and see the paint gone off the family car, lol
 

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Thank you.

I presented a hypothesis.

You presented facts to disprove the hypothesis.

You didn't fudge the facts to disprove my theory.

You used a data set that takes into account the entire time span of the system.

You didn't dismiss variables that disprove your point.

Scientific method by you.

You I believe, Al Gore not so much.
No worries. Your hypothesis was more sound than much of what I read in the literature! You have a pretty good handle on the ways people tend to disingenuously engage on this issue. Cheers!
 
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What happened to the "Acid Rain" that was going to ruin North America in the 70's? Haven't heard of that shit in 30 yrs. It was so bad when I was in high school, I expected to wake some morning after a rain and see the paint gone off the family car, lol

The killer bees that were going to kill us drank it.
 

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The science was just as good when it was Global Cooling....




The Armadillos said so.....
 

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The science was just as good when it was Global Cooling....




The Armadillos said so.....
Many years ago I attended a meeting that had a few speakers including a couple from NOAA.
A 2 hour presentation on the prediction of the coming "drought".
Tree cores for east and west, east back 800 and west more than a couple thousand, showing the regularity of a drought cycle.
If memory serves it was a 21-23 year cycle.
Strangely the reason for the meeting was about drought insurance.
Seemed well backed by fact and reason at the time.
Had one of the NOAA guys chastise me for mentioning the sun variable concerning the climate.
Hasn't been any drought since that meeting in this entire area of the state and more..
Haven't seen those salesmen or "experts" either.
If anything we've bested the average rainfall by more than a bit.
I didn't buy any insurance...

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Many years ago I attended a meeting that had a few speakers including a couple from NOAA.
A 2 hour presentation on the prediction of the coming "drought".
Tree cores for east and west, east back 800 and west more than a couple thousand, showing the regularity of a drought cycle.
If memory serves it was a 21-23 year cycle.
Strangley the reason for the meeting was about drought insurance.
Seemed well backed by fact and reason at the time.
Had one of the NOAA guys chastise me for mentioning the sun variable concerning the climate.
Hasn't been any drought since that meeting in this entire area of the state and more..
Haven't seen those salesmen or "experts" either.
If anything we've bested the average rainfall by more than a bit.
I didn't buy any insurance...

R

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Jeezus Clabbered Kamikaze the fargin dumb is deep.

The humanists give examples of micro evolution, good science, and scream it proves macro evolution (junk). It's religion in it's purest form.

They give examples of "climate fluctuations" which are provable and good science, and scream "man made climate change" (junk). Also, religion in it's purest form.
 
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Show some solid proof and I'll withdraw that graph.
Until I see someone who is going to China, India, Africa to get a handle of the real place/problems
this is all just posturing.
Change my mind...

R
so you post a chart that has no reference, I spend time trying to figure out the source and can’t and yet I have to prove to you that it’s not legit when you have no reference for it
Present day temps are represented by the horizontal line labeled "Present temps". The much discussed "spike" is not viewable at the scale on the chart. In other words, it's inconsequential in the relative time/temp graph.

Do you really believe that humans, and only humans, are solely responsible for the current warming trend based on the graph? The warming trend not even visible on the graph with temps, during recent human history, that are far warmer and visible on the graph, than current temps?
humans are not the only thing that impact the environment. Never said they were. There is lots of things that can impact the environment. Currently the data shows the world is warming. That’s a fact period.

now there are a couple of ways to process that
a) that it’s normal variation
this is looking less likely as it is only going up. We have minimal cooling offsets

b) the world is naturally warming
iF you truly believe this you should be more in favor of shoring up infrastructure as it’s going to happen regardless of what we do

c) us
humans through their massive population boom in the past hundred years and increasing demand for energy are causing harm to the environment. Sad part is everyone focuses on carbon but there are multiple ways we are harming the world.
 

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I must have posted this exact graph on here at least half a dozen times:
View attachment 7231555
No one is really arguing that climate doesn't change.
If it didn't you would of had a helluva time driving through the glaciers.
The Great Lakes are kinda cool as well.
Those that have/would bamboozle have played this game before.
Here are some buzz words to remember: Ozone, Coastal flooding, Acid Rain, Polar Bears, Carbon storage in the Taiga Forest...
If you feel better by doing your part, not really any skin off my back.
If you'd like to tax me for the difference, I'll likely have a problem.
As seen in the above graph we've experienced quite a range of temp averages since the last
ice age.
I've yet to meet someone who spends their days polluting.
Another axiom to consider, the orders of effect more than some of the proposed regulations will have.
I once heard a profound statement concerning "hallowed ideals".
"I find it hard to take direction of personal restraint from a man that weights over 350 pounds".
Once you've witnessed a couple of dozen failed predictions the bullshit meter gets active.

R
for the record bp is 1950
Because the "present" time changes, standard practice is to use 1 January 1950 as the commencement date (epoch) of the age scale,[a]

some versions of that chart show 95 bp ie 1855

so since there is no source it most likely stops at 1855 or 1950 which would be well before the increases we have seen in the past decades
 

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a) that it’s normal variation
this is looking less likely as it is only going up. We have minimal cooling offsets

b) the world is naturally warming
iF you truly believe this you should be more in favor of shoring up infrastructure as it’s going to happen regardless of what we do

c) us
humans through their massive population boom in the past hundred years and increasing demand for energy are causing harm to the environment. Sad part is everyone focuses on carbon but there are multiple ways we are harming the world.
Based on the graph you don't like, we're well within any temperature variations the Earth has ever experienced. Based on the graph you don't like, it's not even a blip. And the current heating period flatlined years ago. About the time Al Gore starting his yapping after losing to Bush. Coincidence? That's not even debated by alarmists. This new push is all AOC with some dooms day shit about the World ending in 12 years. Weird how it coincides with election cycles. Then when nobody jumped, they marched out the little girl (Chicken Little?) to yell at the only nation who's actually accomplished anything in regards to reducing CO2 even with withdrawing from the Paris Accord, that even some experts say is very flawed.

And even after all that, I take no issue with reducing waste and pollution. Just stop proclaiming the sky is falling.
 

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It doesn’t pay to argue.... we’re all going to die because some MFer in China decided to deep throat a bat......
 
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My issue is not with the survivability of earth. I assure you it will survive. My issue is with population and how they will react when parts of the globe become less hospitable

a drought was one of the contributing factors to the Syria civil war
As Latin America crop yields decline we see increasing number of refugees fleeing north
people still have not recovered from getting by Massive hurricanes in Texas and Carolinas

if you look back there was a book called hot, flat and crowded that kind of summarized our predicament People in developed worlds consume more resources, a lot of resources have finite amounts, more people want to live a developed world life style. Ergo we have conflict
 

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for the record bp is 1950
Because the "present" time changes, standard practice is to use 1 January 1950 as the commencement date (epoch) of the age scale,[a]

some versions of that chart show 95 bp ie 1855

so since there is no source it most likely stops at 1855 or 1950 which would be well before the increases we have seen in the past decades
A little history of ice drilling in Greenland(graph source):
Seems it would be odd to me to stop at 1900ish when it was done 50ish years later.
Still haven't refuted the graph in accuracy.

R
 
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Ah. There we have it. There are too many people.
All the people, currently residing on this Earth, will literally fit within the city limits of Jacksonville Florida....that's not stacking them, that's standing flat footed on the ground.

It's funny how you throw out "pollution bad" "you bad, you want pollution". Nice try. That horse shit is getting old.

Try this on for size.
America has been cleaning up our shit for a very long time.
Y'all tried that shit last go round with Mercury and lead limits in water. Made it look like "Republicans bad" "them want poison children", "tighter limits good".
Listen dipshit, you can only cut a limit in half so many times. Now we are popping hot Mercury numbers literally EVERYWHERE!

Guess what, I've been in the environmental field officially since I was 18.....I'm 51 and a fucking authority in my field.
You are out of your fucking element.

This horseshit y'all are playing is old, and it's not new. When I was 8, fuckers like you were giving me fucking nightmares about me freezing to death by the time I was 30.
NONE of that shit ever came true either.
If there are too many people in the world, don't drive around in your Prius acting like enviro Pope. Make a real commitment, jump off a fucking cliff.
 
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My issue is not with the survivability of earth. I assure you it will survive. My issue is with population and how they will react when parts of the globe become less hospitable

a drought was one of the contributing factors to the Syria civil war
As Latin America crop yields decline we see increasing number of refugees fleeing north
people still have not recovered from getting by Massive hurricanes in Texas and Carolinas

if you look back there was a book called hot, flat and crowded that kind of summarized our predicament People in developed worlds consume more resources, a lot of resources have finite amounts, more people want to live a developed world life style. Ergo we have conflict
Who da thunk this was a solid plan.
Demand will outdo production at a point. Not a great time to be reactive.
 

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My issue is not with the survivability of earth. I assure you it will survive. My issue is with population and how they will react when parts of the globe become less hospitable

a drought was one of the contributing factors to the Syria civil war
As Latin America crop yields decline we see increasing number of refugees fleeing north
people still have not recovered from getting by Massive hurricanes in Texas and Carolinas

if you look back there was a book called hot, flat and crowded that kind of summarized our predicament People in developed worlds consume more resources, a lot of resources have finite amounts, more people want to live a developed world life style. Ergo we have conflict
Missed the all important part, they were invited and promised "aid".
I wonder why all these people are leaving the cultures to be celebrated to the country of hate
and bigotry?

R
 

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The planet is about 4,000,000,000 years old. At best they have 125 years of mostly marginal climate data to study, everything else is conjecture. Basically, climate wackos have .0000003% of the data required to map the climate over the life of the planet. With this massive amount of data they are so sure they are right that you are not allowed to either debate them or disagree with them.

If their version of science is true, you can predict the reliability of a car by simply sitting in it for 3 seconds over the 100 year life of the car.

Climate science is bullshit..................................total bullshit. Want proof? Obama bought a $12 million dollar house on 30 acres of ocean front property in Martha's Vineyard. If the oceans are rising and we are all fucking doomed why buy a giant house next to the damned ocean? Because it is alllllllllll BULLSHIT.