Burris XTR3!!!

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I'm sitting trying to decide between the XTR 3 in 3-18 and Vortex Razor Gen II 3-18. This is going a 22" 6.5 CM gas gun. This is my first long range gun/optic period so pretty much a giant noob. Trying to decide if Illumination is worth getting as I would like to hunt at some point but not sure if its the deciding factor over the XTR 3. Can anyone help me out and let me know which way I should fall? The cost between the two makes it a non-factor. I can also swing the higher mag of both if that makes way more sense.

Scope choices have completely frozen me.
I personally have never used illumination. Both are good options. Both have good turrets, clear glass, great reticle options, and warranty's. I love the eye relief and eye box on the Burris. The vortex isn't far behind though. I chose the Burris because it is American made and i am very pleased with my decision.
 

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I'm sitting trying to decide between the XTR 3 in 3-18 and Vortex Razor Gen II 3-18. This is going a 22" 6.5 CM gas gun. This is my first long range gun/optic period so pretty much a giant noob. Trying to decide if Illumination is worth getting as I would like to hunt at some point but not sure if its the deciding factor over the XTR 3. Can anyone help me out and let me know which way I should fall? The cost between the two makes it a non-factor. I can also swing the higher mag of both if that makes way more sense.

Scope choices have completely frozen me.
I'd definitely reccomend the XTRIII, especially for a hunting rig since it's much lighter.
And an illuminated model should be out soon next year. I'm thinking about picking up a 3-18 for that purpose when they drop.

As I've posted previously, I love my 5.5-30
 
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Enlighten us, please.
I think he is saying that if in his opinion, it's currently the nicest scope in it's class for <$2k, how much nicer is it when you can get it for even less..

 
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I'm sitting trying to decide between the XTR 3 in 3-18 and Vortex Razor Gen II 3-18. This is going a 22" 6.5 CM gas gun. This is my first long range gun/optic period so pretty much a giant noob. Trying to decide if Illumination is worth getting as I would like to hunt at some point but not sure if its the deciding factor over the XTR 3. Can anyone help me out and let me know which way I should fall? The cost between the two makes it a non-factor. I can also swing the higher mag of both if that makes way more sense.

Scope choices have completely frozen me.
I have both. If you don’t mind the extra weight, want illumination and a more useable reticle under 10x, plus the best warranty service in the business, go Vortex. Really, for what the AMGs are going for right now that might be the best option in that price range if you want a lighter option from Vortex. When I get my 3-18 back from Burris I will probably keep it, but I think there are other scopes out there that could fit the bill as well.
 
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I have both. If you don’t mind the extra weight, want illumination and a more useable reticle under 10x, plus the best warranty service in the business, go Vortex. Really, for what the AMGs are going for right now that might be the best option in that price range if you want a lighter option from Vortex. When I get my 3-18 back from Burris I will probably keep it, but I think there are other scopes out there that could fit the bill as well.
Keep in mind the amg is a 30mm tube, so you have less adjustment and the XTRIII has a better fov.
 
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I've been debating the XTRIII, Mark 5HD, and a Vortex Razor Gen2 over the last couple days. I probably blew it by missing all the good sales but not trying to rush out and snag an optic that I probably won't touch before early 2020 anyway. Probably going to snag an XTR3 after all the reading I did. I just need to see if the XTR3 is going to be released with Illumination at SHOT and what the price point is going to be before finally pulling the trigger. Thanks to all for the comments and feedback and those that went and bought scopes and wrote up their experiences!
 

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Keep in mind the amg is a 30mm tube, so you have less adjustment and the XTRIII has a better fov.
AMG does have less adjustment range at around 27 mrad, but that is still sufficient for most needs. XTR3 has 35 mrad of adjustment in the 50mm model and 26 in the 56mm.

FOV when on the same magnification is the same between AMG and XTR3.

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AMG does have less adjustment range at around 27 mrad, but that is still sufficient for most needs. XTR3 has 35 mrad of adjustment in the 50mm model and 26 in the 56mm.

FOV when on the same magnification is the same between AMG and XTR3.

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Not trying to be difficult sir but when I asked Vortex what was the FOV for my AMG at 6 power they told me around 20 feet. I am finding this optic challenging at rapid close in hunting. The 3.3 x 18 Buriss looks interesting. The 3 x 18 Kahles serves me very well but at a steep price difference.

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Not trying to be difficult sir but when I asked Vortex what was the FOV for my AMG at 6 power they told me around 20 feet. I am finding this optic challenging at rapid close in hunting. The 3.3 x 18 Buriss looks interesting. The 3 x 18 Kahles serves me very well but at a steep price difference.

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No worries. I can do difficult...

Note, that I specifically said "when at the same magnification". AMG has 20.4ft FOV at 100 yards on 6x. XTR III 3.3-18x50 based on Burris' published specs has the exact same 20.4ft FOV at 100 yards. Now, XTR3 can be dialed down to lower magnification which will give you a wider FOV, but at the same magnification, they will look about the same.

ILya
 

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Not trying to be difficult sir but when I asked Vortex what was the FOV for my AMG at 6 power they told me around 20 feet. I am finding this optic challenging at rapid close in hunting. The 3.3 x 18 Buriss looks interesting. The 3 x 18 Kahles serves me very well but at a steep price difference.

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FOV AT 100M on low power = 2=
Once again I'm not trying to call out the Dark Lord of optics. Actually playing with the idea of dumping my AMG for another lower powered short optic that would serve me well paired with a PVS-30.
 

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FOV AT 100M on low power = 2=
Once again I'm not trying to call out the Dark Lord of optics. Actually playing with the idea of dumping my AMG for another lower powered short optic that would serve me well paired with a PVS-30.
No need to feel apologetic. I am here to have a discussion. If everyone always agreed, it would be no fun.

See my post above.

ILya
 

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No worries. I can do difficult...

Note, that I specifically said "when at the same magnification". AMG has 20.4ft FOV at 100 yards on 6x. XTR III 3.3-18x50 based on Burris' published specs has the exact same 20.4ft FOV at 100 yards. Now, XTR3 can be dialed down to lower magnification which will give you a wider FOV, but at the same magnification, they will look about the same.

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Understood. If I can find another way to reproduce my Ultra Short S&B results or Kahles 3 x 18 without having to sell one of my organs that would be great. Last question. How long is this Buriss?
 

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For some odd reason I can not find S&B or Kahles banging on my door screaming it's CYBER MONDAY, hmm. Capitalism at it's finest hour. Pay up
 

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Understood. If I can find another way to reproduce my Ultra Short S&B results or Kahles 3 x 18 without having to sell one of my organs that would be great. Last question. How long is this Buriss?
13.3"

I have only seen the prototype of the XTR3, but I really liked what I saw. I expect it to be an excellent design. WHen the illuminated version comes out, I will do a full test.

As far as reproducing your results from really fancy scopes, I can suggest another really fancy scope: TT315M. Still one of my favourites, along with the 3-24x52 March.

With less expensive scopes, interestingly, Vortex PST Gen 2 3-15x44 has a suprisingly nice view and the FOV at the same magnification is about the same as XTR3 and AMG.

ILya
 

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I had totally forgotten about the XTR III. Time for me to do a little more homework. I'm looking to pick up some new glass soon.
 

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AMG does have less adjustment range at around 27 mrad, but that is still sufficient for most needs. XTR3 has 35 mrad of adjustment in the 50mm model and 26 in the 56mm.

FOV when on the same magnification is the same between AMG and XTR3.

ILya
I'm not sure what the AMG lists on paper, but with both scopes on 20x the Burris had .5 or .6 more reticle per side. That might be off by a little. It's been a couple months since I compared. That was one of the first scopes I put my 30x alongside. But the Burris was a bigger FOV.

The closest optic I have seen so far to matching the FOV of the Burris is the 20x NX8. On 20x the Burris only beat it by .2 per side.
 

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I'm not sure what the AMG lists on paper, but with both scopes on 20x the Burris had .5 or .6 more reticle per side. That might be off by a little. It's been a couple months since I compared. That was one of the first scopes I put my 30x alongside. But the Burris was a bigger FOV.

The closest optic I have seen so far to matching the FOV of the Burris is the 20x NX8. On 20x the Burris only beat it by .2 per side.
I am going off of the listed specs for XTR3 3.3-18x50 and AMG 6-24x50. Keep in mind that magnification rings on riflescopes are almost always marked incorrectly.

I did exact measurements on a bunch of fancy scopes and the markings are not exact. See attached plot.

ILya
 

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FOV when on the same magnification is the same between AMG and XTR3.

ILya
Is there a formula you know of that can calculate FOV for a given magnification based on the lowest and highest mag FOV?
Obviously things like scope tunneling will effect such a formula.
 

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I am going off of the listed specs for XTR3 3.3-18x50 and AMG 6-24x50. Keep in mind that magnification rings on riflescopes are almost always marked incorrectly.

I did exact measurements on a bunch of fancy scopes and the markings are not exact. See attached plot.

ILya
That graph would indicated the relationship between FOV and magnification is not linear, is that correct?
The MX7i seems to have better or worse FOV than tsngent theta depending on magnification.
 

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Is there a formula you know of that can calculate FOV for a given magnification based on the lowest and highest mag FOV?
Obviously things like scope tunneling will effect such a formula.
In absence of tunnelling, scaling it off of the highest magnification gets you very close. For example, if the scope is 5-20x50 with reasonably constant eye relief, FOV on 10x is twice that of 20x.

Ilya
 

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Really want to order the 5.5-30x SCR2, can get it for $1700 otd and I’m not hear to get into another price pissing match.
I’m trying to justify the jump from a XTR2 3-15x on a 24” 6.5CM shooting 140gr ELDM at 2815fps, just shooting steel to 1k.
I’m telling myself of course it’s worth it you fool but at the same time I want to build a shorty lightweight .243 or 6CM for coyote hunting. Decisions decisions.
 

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I got burned really hard with the XTR2 when they came out and won't be returning to Burris after that. Doesn't mean this scope isn't great; just stating my experience. :cautious:
 
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Really want to order the 5.5-30x SCR2, can get it for $1700 otd and I’m not hear to get into another price pissing match.
I’m trying to justify the jump from a XTR2 3-15x on a 24” 6.5CM shooting 140gr ELDM at 2815fps, just shooting steel to 1k.
I’m telling myself of course it’s worth it you fool but at the same time I want to build a shorty lightweight .243 or 6CM for coyote hunting. Decisions decisions.
I upgraded from. A XTRII to a XTRIII and as much as I loved the XTRII, the III is improved by miles in every single way. You won't regret it.
 

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I upgraded from. A XTRII to a XTRIII and as much as I loved the XTRII, the III is improved by miles in every single way. You won't regret it.
I agree with this.

I've also loved my XTRIIs. They treated me great. But the XTR3 is on a whole 'nother level. Great glass, big eyebox, easy parallax, just a step up in in the big categories.

It's a solid choice, and just as the XTR2 was a very good optic at the 1k price point, the XTR3 is going to be one of the best sub 2k options on the market.
 
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They have a lot of great stuff in the works in the Tactical line up. A new RT8 is hitting the market with a dual focal plane. And some other upgrades to other scopes.

But I havent as yet heard of expanding the current XTR3 offerings. The big push for now is getting illuminated models to market.

But I'm not in boardroom meetings. So who knows what's right around the corner coming off the drawing board..
 

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Big shout out to MK Machining, decided to pick up a XTR 3 from him this afternoon, very pleasant to call and provided excellent (at least to me he sounded like he knew what he was talking about :)) suggestions. Certainly wouldn't mind having a beer with the MKM crew. Now if only my Fox 42 would ship...
 

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That graph would indicated the relationship between FOV and magnification is not linear, is that correct?
The MX7i seems to have better or worse FOV than tsngent theta depending on magnification.
The plot shows the relationship between measured FOV and the markings on the magnification ring Magnification is linear with angular field of view. By definition. However, when they engrave magnification rings on scopes the numbers are somewhat approximate, probably because of space limitations.

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This was my most anticipated scope to use for the 2020 match season, but after a couple of posts on page 19, I'm a bit concerned. I'm currently on the fence as to whether I should risk ordering a couple after seeing WJM had some glass issues that passed QC and another had a purple turret.