Burris XTR3!!!

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I'm with you there. I need at least one 18x and another 30x. Ideally though I should get two of the 18x.

I would'nt let illumination be a deciding factor for me. I'll probably try to get one for next year with it included. But the simple fact of the matter is I've been avidly hunting everything that runs, jumps, or swims since 1978. I used to take 3 weeks off every year with my dad and haul the horses from Idaho, to Wyoming, and Montana, hunting Elk and mulies. I've chased coyotes and wolves, lions, bears, you name it. If it lives in the northwest and you can buy a tag, I've hunted it.

In all that time my illumination has been turned on for a total of five minutes. I used it once about 3 years ago on a black bear at about 400 yards in heavy timber, first thing in the morning. I dont think I needed it even then. I've found the "low light" dusk and dawn scenario to not really play out in real life the way it does on forums. Low light glass technology is becoming awfully good these days, which helps offset the need for it.

But I understand people wanting it. Its another tool in the bag. And it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Maybe I'll eat my words someday and have a shot opportunity at first light heading for No Tell'em Ridge and fill my tag before I've finished my first cup of coffee. ;)
Agreed! I've been hunting for over a couple decades and never once needed/wanted illumination. I've only owned a couple scopes with illumination over the years, and those were only turned on when I first purchased to make sure it worked.....then never needed it. Same as you, maybe I'll eat these words, but I'd rather save a few bucks and forego illumination. Frankly, if illumination is the make or break on a shot, I'm not doing my job well enough anyways.

I'm getting excited for the 3.3-18 to be released for a hunting rifle build I currently have in the works.
With SFP scopes to,where the reticle is always usable, I have never seen the need for illumination. I will agree with you guys there. On these FFP scopes especially with the trend of thinner and thinner reticles better suited for higher magnification shooting this is not the case. I have been burned on a group of hogs. At 175 yards last year. When I turned the mag up to see the reticle, I couldn’t see through the scope. Turn it down to where I could make out the pigs, and I couldn’t see the reticle. I took a pot shot and missed.

99% of the time illumination is not needed, but I think of it as 4wheel drive on my truck. Not used often at all but I will always have it for those few times that I REALLY need it.
 

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There is a used XTR 3 in the exchange right now. It was posted yesterday. It may interest a few of you guys.
 

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I got to play with one on Sunday. I know a guy who is sponsored by Burris and he showed me the XTR3 on his rifle. I was really impressed with the glass. It was bright, clear, and far better than I expected from Burris. I didn't notice any CA. I couldn't see any tunneling going through there mag range. The clicks felt nice. I don't know how I feel about the windage being capped, but honestly, once windage is zeroed, how often do you dial? The windage knob was a bit tight. Might be because it's new, might be because the windage knob is smaller than the elevation knob. What really impressed me was the FOV. At 30x, the FOV was incredibly large.
 

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I also got to use one this weekend. I liked it alot. Glass was very good in low light, Tracking was very good. Turrets are pretty hard to turn but others have mentioned that they loosen up after use. My XTR 2 had turrets that were also hard to turn but I didn't feel that it was un-usable. FOV is noticeably bigger than my AMG but I still prefer the EBR-7 reticle in the AMG. Glass is slightly better in the AMG as well. I did notice some CA or "ghosting" on high power around the white painted target with the XTR 3 that I didn't notice with my AMG.

Overall I think its a very good competition scope. I wouldn't mind putting one on a rifle at all but I hunt more than I shoot matches so the AMG fits my purpose better at this time. I like it.
 

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I got to play with one on Sunday. I know a guy who is sponsored by Burris and he showed me the XTR3 on his rifle. I was really impressed with the glass. It was bright, clear, and far better than I expected from Burris. I didn't notice any CA. I couldn't see any tunneling going through there mag range. The clicks felt nice. I don't know how I feel about the windage being capped, but honestly, once windage is zeroed, how often do you dial? The windage knob was a bit tight. Might be because it's new, might be because the windage knob is smaller than the elevation knob. What really impressed me was the FOV. At 30x, the FOV was incredibly large.
I have not played with the one i recieved last week but it came with an extra windage knob (see pic). You have the option to leave the cap on or use the lager knob.
 

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I have not played with the one i recieved last week but it came with an extra windage knob (see pic). You have the option to leave the cap on or use the lager knob.
True. I forgot my friend told me it comes with the additional turret. He had his windage capped because he's like me in that he'll dial elevation and hold wind
 

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True. I forgot my friend told me it comes with the additional turret. He had his windage capped because he's like me in that he'll dial elevation and hold wind
I've left mine capped as well. Though I did play with the larger cap for the windage turret, it feels completely different than the little guy underneath.
 
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More comparisons at a local match. Pictured are a 5-25 USO and 4-20 ZCO. Not pictured is a 27x Razor. The 4th one I've compared to I believe. The owner of it told me he thought the Burris was brighter.

So some good comparisons to see where the XTR3 stacks up. I think I have a pretty good feel for it at this point. And I'll tell you quite honestly, I couldn't be happier. I had some worries that after 16 pages of this XTR3 thread, that it would come out and not live up to the hype. But those fears are completely allayed. This is really a nice scope!

Myself and a friend were looking at two freshly painted bright white targets yesterday at 525 and 925 yards. The morning sun was on them and the backdrops were angled so as to be semi shaded and dark. At no magnification could I discern any chromatic aberration at all. Just nice, clear, bright glass. I'm impressed.

So from here I'm just going to go out and shoot with it, and everyone else can decide if they like it or not. If you are considering a scope in the $2200 or less price point, or if you are putting up a thread asking for advice on choosing a Razor, MK5, or NX8, you would be doing yourself a big favor by considering this scope.

 
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Did some plinking this past week at elk camp. Love it. My friend and I put 400 rounds down range and he is a NF lover/fanboi/hippi/etc/etc/lol and he was very impressed. He shoots the 35x NF on all his scopes and he mentioned not being able to tell any diff on high power. Tracking was epic as expected.

Other pics on 30x - 20x - 10x - 5x
there is a lot of grass in front of that target so it may look like a few grass is blurry, its due that target is at 60 yds and grass from 0-50 yds may be blurry. Had no problem running a stage of 10 shots in under 2 min with 5 diff positions at full 30x. super fun


Heading to Ireland for the GUardian match this weekend. More deets to come!!

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What chassis are you running D_Tros?
 

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@D_TROS it's hard to discern clarity through a photo normally, but that seems pretty awesome and like the scope presents an image to the eye very well. Is the eye box extremely forgiving or what?
 
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@D_TROS it's hard to discern clarity through a photo normally, but that seems pretty awesome and like the scope presents an image to the eye very well. Is the eye box extremely forgiving or what?

I'm not Dorgan, but he's traveling right now and probably hasnt seen your question.

The eyebox is as good or better than any scope I have compared it to. And that's a fairly long list of high quality scopes.

To compare to the XTRII, which is the scope they took all their feedback from to build this one, the XTR3 on 30x has a bigger eyebox than the XTR2 on 20x. And it looks good with the glass going edge to edge with a very thin black scope tube ring.
 
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I'm not Dorgan, but he's traveling right now and probably hasnt seen your question.

The eyebox is as good or better than any scope I have compared it to. And that's a fairly long list of high quality scopes.

To compare to the XTRII, which is the scope they took all their feedback from to build this one, the XTR3 on 30x has a bigger eyebox than the XTR2 on 20x. And it looks good with the glass going edge to edge with a very thin black scope tube ring.
I thought it might be, thanks I appreciate it!
 
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Any updates on when more SCR2 5.5-30's will hit dealers shelves? What about the 3.3-18's in SCR2, are they close? Where is Geoff when you need him, I'm bummed he's no longer a hide resource. I put in my order with Tyler Kemp of MKM (@Tyler Kemp) for a 3.3-18 with SCR2, but am worried it will be a while and my new ZP5 will show up before the XTR III.
 

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That almost seems like cheating :p
If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'

I had a chat with Burris management early this week. My understanding is that CS Tactical and Sport Optics are your best bet to run down a 30x in the near future.

Production is full steam on all models and they expect to be caught up on all preorders and have all inventory at projected levels by the end of October.

That bodes well for them moving to illuminated models.
 

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Ireland has been amazing. Dont have alot of time but some quick points.



-Shooting a 223 in rainy conditions up to 1200 yds was brutal for any scope. and seeing impacts was tough. I am happy how this bad boy performed and found myself at 30 power multiple times...

-I was 6 pts from a top 10 and took top tac home. was an awesome match. if anyone hasnt shot a Guardian match i highly recommend it.

-I honestly have no bad things to say. I was unable to get any CA and FOV was phenominal. One stage had 3 targets to be shot from 3 sep positions. my holdovers were 0.0 (dialed 1.4 mils), +0.8, +3.6 and it was the only stage i cleaned. this new retc is very fast, clean and effective.

-Ireland is wet. who knew. lol

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-Tree is a number not an obstacle. lolol

Guardian puts on a great match format. Esp if ur a one day match type.


Regards
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I have a strong suspicion that Steiner will do quite well with that 2.9-20x50 scope. I really hope they will offer some non-Horus tree retickle in it, but I'll take MSR2 if not.
Most of my complaints with the 4-28x56 M7Xi center around its CA above 20x and I suspect the smaller 50mm scope will have CA under control.

Ilya
 

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I have a strong suspicion that Steiner will do quite well with that 2.9-20x50 scope. I really hope they will offer some non-Horus tree retickle in it, but I'll take MSR2 if not.
Most of my complaints with the 4-28x56 M7Xi center around its CA above 20x and I suspect the smaller 50mm scope will have CA under control.

Ilya
Can you provide much more in the way of details or are we going to have to wait until Shot 2020 for more?
 

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So the xtr 3 is built on the same 7x erector that the m7xi is from my reading, however they are only using 5x of it. This new 2.9-20 looks to be a version of the same 3.3-18x50 but utilizes all 7x. Hopefully it executed it better than the new nx8. I love the physical functionality of my 4-32x50 however optically I feel it doesn't deliver as I was hoping, anything much above 24x is dark and the eyebox becomes quite sensitive and parallax needs constant attention, DOF is poor. I really hope the xtr3 3.3-18 I ordered yesterday makes up for these and I can sell the NF. I do like the milC reticle a lot for a hunting rifle as that's what all my rifles do mainly. The scope will be atop an 8# 300 norma improved, so it will definitely get a recoil test, hopefully it holds zero with no shift under recoil. A lot of high end scopes fail at this. Khales, NF, Swaro X5, March have been tested by my smith to have no reticle movement under this rifles recoil, several other manufactures high ends have failed his test. Hoping for the best here........
 
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So the xtr 3 is built on the same 7x erector that the m7xi is from my reading, however they are only using 5x of it. This new 2.9-20 looks to be a version of the same 3.3-18x50 but utilizes all 7x. Hopefully it executed it better than the new nx8. I love the physical functionality of my 4-32x50 however optically I feel it doesn't deliver as I was hoping, anything much above 24x is dark and the eyebox becomes quite sensitive and parallax needs constant attention, DOF is poor. I really hope the xtr3 3.3-18 I ordered yesterday makes up for these and I can sell the NF. I do like the milC reticle a lot for a hunting rifle as that's what all my rifles do mainly. The scope will be atop an 8# 300 norma improved, so it will definitely get a recoil test, hopefully it holds zero with no shift under recoil. A lot of high end scopes fail at this. Khales, NF, Swaro X5, March have been tested by my smith to have no reticle movement under this rifles recoil, several other manufactures high ends have failed his test. Hoping for the best here........
I do not know if the erector design between XTR3 and M7Xi is the same, but I would not be surprised if they are related.

Based on what I have seen so far, scopes based on this erector and eye-piece do not suffer from the distortion and finicky eye relief issues NX8 seems to have.

ILya
 
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Really cant decide if I want to wait for illum or not, anyone have some pics through the scope in low light in the AM and PM?
 

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I don't have any photos. But I can offer some feedback.

Its turning out to be one of the better low light scopes I have looked through. Another poster said that in a side by side on 20x, the XTR3 had better low light resolution than his ATACR.

I've seen some glass that has better color than the XTR3, but the brightness of this scope is very good.
 
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Well that Steiner 2.9-20x50 shakes things up a bit. Oddly enough the SCR reticle was released first with the Steiner T5Xi then was migrated into the Burris XTR II line, I would not be surprised if the SCR2 which was released with the XTR III migrates to the Steiner M7Xi line at some point. I would be very curious to see how the 2.9-20x50 M7Xi compares to the S&B US 3-20, assuming that price will be under $3k street. Hopefully they will control CA better with the 50mm model than they do with the 56mm.

This is only an assumption as I have seen neither scope, but I would venture to say the Burris XTR III has better FOV for it's given magnification along with better eyebox, depth and parallax forgiveness, but similar to the NX8 the 7x magnification will draw a lot of buyers in hoping Steiner somehow cracked the code for a high magnification/short scope design.

Looks like I really need to try to make it to SHOT this year, hopefully it will work out with my schedule.
 

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I think there is a really high likelihood that the illuminated XTR3 will be at SHOT. I know now that the 30x and 18x production is in full swing and they plan on being caught up on all pre orders and back orders within the next month, that the illuminated models are next on the agenda.

I cant really speak to price, I havent heard a number in any conversation. But I know when they offered the non-illuminated XTR2s, they shaved $150 off the price. That's probably something in the ballpark. Putting these scopes in the $1800 to $1900 price range for the 18x and 30x respectively.
 

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I was just at Liberty Firearms Institute in Greeley,CO yesterday and was able to finally lay hands on one of these. I gotta tell ya, I think I'll be buying the 3-18x before too long.

The other thing that was kind of shocking to me is how big and heavy scopes in general have gotten. The big Razors are heavy as bricks...literally. Even the big Nightforces are real pigs.

The XTR3 3-18x is about as big a scope I would ever want on a rifle. JMHO