They are CrN coated. Similar process to DLC, just a different chemical composition and finish. It leaves the "natural" color on it instead of the black color DLC leaves.I like the way it looks though! Is there any coating on the bolt? Or is that just the natural color?
EDIT: This was just a simple issue with the extractor in the 223 Push Feed Bolt Heads ONLY and has been addressed by Bighorn with a replacement extractor.I just checked mine and it doesn't do that. The fired case when being pulled back remains fixed under the extractor pointing straight out, hovering over the feed lips of the mag as it's pulled back. Then when it hits the mechanical ejector it goes straight out the ejection port, wraps around the rear of the port and actually hits the outside of the action just behind the ejection port before bouncing away.
I did a little slow-mo video to look at it, not sure if I can easily upload here though.
Can you post a video? We're looking into it with one of our 223's right now.For those running 223 Rem with the TL3's... Has anyone noticed that upon ejection the cartridge is essentially thrown into the side of the lug raceway and then out of the ejection port?
I have experimented a bit, running the bolt really slow, and really fast, with a few different mags, and the result is always the same. I also have two 223 bolt heads (one CRF, and one push feed) and they both exhibit this behavior. I think the problem is exacerbated with an empty mag, because it allows the cartridge to hang more freely as the bolt is being pulled rearward.
Basically, the extractor is at the 9 o'clock position (for a LH action) and the mechanical ejector is at the 3 o'clock position, so the ejection angle is essentially horizontal and the shoulder junction of the cartridge makes contact with the inner edge of the lug raceway. I first noticed this when I saw some very light and minor ding marks at the junction between the cartridge body and shoulder.
I can try to take a video later if I'm not being clear, but I'm just curious if anyone else has experienced this. The round always ejects successfully, but it is not thrown "clear" of the ejection port, it makes contact with the receiver raceway almost 100% (and I say almost cause I just haven't watched every single ejection).
EDIT: This was just a simple issue with the extractor in the 223 Push Feed Bolt Heads ONLY and has been addressed by Bighorn with a replacement extractor.Can you post a video? We're looking into it with one of our 223's right now.
Are you experiencing a situation where the cartridge is being moved into the receiver and then out (moving away from the ejection port first, then out the ejection port)? Where does the brass end up in relation to the rifle? Does it exhibit this with an empty cartridge only or loaded as well?
Yes, this is with CRF 223 bolt head. If holds the brass nice and snug against the bolt face, no drooping. I'm using Lake City brass. Let me know if you need measurements of the rim diameter/thickness.You did this with a 223 bolt head? If so I am assuming you mean the CRF 223 bolt head?? I might have to get back in touch with Bighorn... my cartridge "droops" significantly once it leaves the chamber and is only supported by the extractor...
Just to clear the air so no misinformation is present...To make this very clear....
If you are running a 223 CONTROLLED ROUND FEED bolt head, left or right hand, it will NOT exhibit the undesirable "droop" that was noticed. The "drooping" has not been found in anyone's notes to cause unreliable ejection or functionality issues with the action. The only issue this would have caused is minor marks on brass. We understand that this can be perceived as problematic if the same brass is used over and over, so we are changing the extractor in PUSH FEED bolt heads as a remedy to the drooping.
If you do not have a 223 PUSH FEED bolt head (only 6 in the wild), you will not experience any of the above situations.
I would bet 90% of gunsmiths will get you a pre-fit for a TL3 because of their tight tolerances. I know all of the local-ish ones around me will.Has anyone compiled a list of the shops doing shouldered prefits? I know of PVA and Keystone, curious if there are others and if any of them are doing the quick change wrench flats already milled.
Is that the Exodus in the top two pictures? Been talking to John Kyle about getting one for my coyote rig. They are a little heavier than I’d like but I think adding a proof will make it balance well
Is that the bull/strait contour or is the standard contour? It looks like it doesn’t step down at the breach/chamber area if it’s the standard contour. It’s looks really good!!!
yep- it was a rough match for a lot of shooters because of the fine lime stoney dust. multiple defiances went down as did 5 impact DQs. May or may not have been related to the action - (most are reporting trigger issues- and one a ND) . But in an impact dominated field, TL3 was still holding its own.Happy with how my TL3 ran at the PRS Finale this weekend. Plenty of dust, lots of wind on Day 1, tight time limits so you couldn't afford any gear issues. Action ran perfect all weekend without a hiccup, was able to pull a 32nd place finish out of 150 shooters. Definitely going to stick with it for next year.
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Impact DQs? Disqualifications? Doesn't matter to me as obviously i own both, just curious how an actin DQs you? Less i've got that acronym wrong?yep- it was a rough match for a lot of shooters because of the fine lime stoney dust. multiple defiances went down as did 5 impact DQs. May or may not have been related to the action - (most are reporting trigger issues- and one a ND) . But in an impact dominated field, TL3 was still holding its own.
From everything I heard the DQ's were all from inadvertenly touching off a round after closing the bolt. Didn't matter if the round went right next to the target, if you didn't mean to pull the trigger that was a match DQ. Tight stage time limits and finale pressure makes it challenging.Impact DQs? Disqualifications? Doesn't matter to me as obviously i own both, just curious how an actin DQs you? Less i've got that acronym wrong?
You will just need to remove that bolt stop, And you should be good to go on your tl3My first TL3 is on it way to my FFL right now and I have an opportunity to take it out this weekend if all the parts arrive on time. However my TT Diamond wont be here till late next week. My question is, I have a TT special on my Remage with a bottom bolt release, can I stall it on the TL3 even if it has the bolt release on the trigger? I would assume I would have to operate both the action release and trigger release at the same time to get the bolt out, but it would be worth it if I could shoot this weekend.
Okay that's what i was wondering i didn't really take it as NDs at first glance i was thinking something about the way they were running it or something else was causing them to get DQ'd.Yeah. Just curious how they were all impact actions. Maybe just a function of their overall volume in prs.
@5RWill yes - disqualification. Maybe it is just a function of educated ROs actually calling it. Jim see called his own gentleman’s do, but there was 4 others. You would need to check in with those individuals for the full story. But I know a few who were messing with lighter firing pin spring’s, or trying to polish on the bolt recess notch because it has such a pronounced “catch” when closing the bolt. So interfering with this can result in home gunsmithing errors. Ie: decocking, slam fires, sear engagement issues, thus negligent discharges.
Also anybody reading- please note I am not inferring an action problem with impacts- rather just pointing out odd results from the finale. Since it seems like a lot of people come down to this decision of Impact or TL3 with general consensus seeming shocked anyone would not run impact. Obviously it’s a solid action. But so are the tl3s.
Such a great looking rig!Just shamelessly piling on here, I already posted pics of mine in another thread. Anyway, the rifle is a Bighorn TL3 action with the 30 MOA rail and a medium tang, a Bartlein barrel chambered in 260 REM, sitting in a KRG X-Ray chassis with a Timney Calvin Elite trigger, topped with a Vortex Razor 4.5-27x56 and tipped with Thunder Beast's Ultra 7. So far she seems to be liking the ELD-Ms, now if I could just find those available somewhere.
Looks great! Hows the duracoat hold up compared to cerakote?Bought an air compressor, airbrush, and some duracoat. Saved a couple of hundred dollars coating it myself. Left the inside of the action unpainted, just the bolt handle and shroud.
Still waiting on the Dasher reamer....
Yea, they are actually the same barreled action but I had the genesis light first. I wanted the exedous but it wasn't in stock at core at the time. Once one came available I bought it and sold the genesis. I liked the genesis but it wasn't what I needed. I love the exedous light. It's perfect. I am thinking about going proof as well to drop a bit of weight but as well as this balances as it is currently configured it realy doesn't feel as heavy as what I would think it weighs. It's not a tank, but not as light as an EH1a obviously. The bennifits far outweigh any drawbacks I can find, that's for sure.