Big 6.5's: Berger 156 EOL, 147 ELDM, 155 SMK

reubenski

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I'm building a 6.5 SST and looking for a large 6.5mm bullet to shoot. The 147's were looking pretty good but a buddy was telling me his BC wasn't lining up at distance. The 155's have a killer BC but are pretty expensive and if they're as picky and inconsistent as the rest of the new pointed SMKs I doubt I'll like them. It looks like Berger is going to release the new 156 EOL on AUG 1. The BC is a touch lower than the other two but it uses a Hybrid nose design so it sounds like it should be easily tunable. I'm sure they're going to have want $50 a box for them though.

Who's using these?

Plus let's get something primed to discuss the 156's when they come out.
 

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Berger 156s are already out. Can be had for about $47/100 shipped from powder valley with the Welcome10 code. 153 A-Tips are quiet a bit more expensive at 70+ per 100 shipped.
 

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Just loaded up some 156 Berger’s to try in my prc
I had the same issue with 147s, more drop beyond 1k than expected.
Hopefully I can make it to the range tomorrow
 

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Just loaded up some 156 Berger’s to try in my prc
I had the same issue with 147s, more drop beyond 1k than expected.
Hopefully I can make it to the range tomorrow
Let me know how it goes. I'm looking to shoot the 156s out of a suppressed 22 inch gun as my mule deer rig. Hoping for as much velocity as possible but not sure what that's going to be. Some guys say 2900 is possible but we'll see.

What's your setup?
 

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I had the same issue with 147s, more drop beyond 1k than expected.
Same issue with 147s. Shoot well but had to drop BC significantly to get curves to line up at distance. At ELR match shooter next to me had same exact issue with the 147s. 150 SMK BC held true for me out to 2K. Shot the 147 and 150 at same MV out to distance and the difference in drop was pretty significant.
 

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Are you guy using the 1.75 Mach BC with the 147’s?
I had to drop well below the 1.75 BC. For the record I am a Hornady fan boy and like their bullets but 147 BCs do not hold true for me.

But I am sure Rob will reply that the published 147 BCs were spot on for him out to 5k :rolleyes:


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I had to drop well below the 1.75 BC. For the record I am a Hornady fan boy and like their bullets but 147 BCs do not hold true for me.

But I am sure Rob will reply that the published 147 BCs were spot on for him out to 5k :rolleyes:


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I had to go below that as well.

I have found the 4dof seems to jive a lot better with them than AB.

Hornandy app needed only a minor tweak to get true.
 

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156's are in. OAL is around 0.078" longer than the 140-Hybids, and most of the added length is in a longer bearing surface.

Will try them Sunday in my 6.5x47L

I'm scheduled to shoot Raton, and if I go (not looking good at this moment) I'll bring some for you to try @reubenskiIMG_20190726_162227433.jpg
 
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I had a chance to test fire my first loads with the 156 eol. Shot 5 three shot groups with Hornady 1x fired brass, started at 56g H1000 and stopped at 58g. All groups were sub moa with 57&57.5 both being sub .5moa.

Edit to add more info.
Ran some loads over a chronograph today.
6.5 PRC 24” 8 twist barrel with round count of 65
57g H1000 average velocity 2860
57.5g 2890
58g. 2920

Adding more info
Testing loads in a 2nd rifle.
This seems to be a very easy bullet to tune B41382FA-9131-4A9B-A5A1-E5383A37DBAF.jpeg
 
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6.5 saum...

HBN coated 150 SMK and 156 Berger running Retumbo.

150 SMK at 0.030 jump and 61.6 grains gets me at 3025 and single digit SDs. My other barrel and bullets are not HBN coated. Was using H1000 at 58.5 and 0.030 jump to get 3020.

156 Berger still making a few adjustments. Settled in at 63.8 to 64.0 and adjusting seating depth. Ran to 64.4 and started seeing light ejector swipes. FPS at 63.8 is 3115 and 64.4 gave me 3150 and single digit ES.

147s didn’t work for me in either barrel on this gun... same smith and chambering. I couldn’t get them to group and when I pushed them hard they would leave holes in targets that looked like I was shooting bananas. I hear a lot of good about them, but my personal experience has not yielded the best results.

It is not light, but shoots.... 135 A tips shoot really well... .030 jump and some 1000 worked really well for me. Was hoping to try 153s but became side tracked when Berger’s showed up early.
 
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So, I loaded up some 156-gr EOL's today.

With this rifle (6.5x47L with 22" barrel, and just over 2400-rounds), my normal load with 140-Hybrids is; 37.3-gr of Varget, and CCI 450's going out at 2768-fps.

I loaded the 156's with 37.0-gr of Varget, at 10-thousands longer.

I'm using a Redding factory seating die, and this is the first time I've ever encountered deformed bullet tips from seating, obviously the jackets are thinner, and will likely need a VLD seating stem to prevent deformation?

With the 156's I averaged 2681-fps with single digit ES/SD. My drop at 500-yards was a 1/10-mil low, and at 700-yards 3/10-mil low compared to the 140-Hybrids.

My last shot, out of a group of six, I had a very flat primer with cratered strike, whereas the previous five exhibited normal primers.

Accuracy appears comparable to the 140's at distance, and they cut through the wind quite nicely.

Will try more in a few days.

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So, I loaded up some 156-gr EOL's today.

With this rifle (6.5x47L with 22" barrel, and just over 2400-rounds), my normal load with 140-Hybrids is; 37.3-gr of Varget, and CCI 450's going out at 2768-fps.

I loaded the 156's with 37.0-gr of Varget, at 10-thousands longer.

I'm using a Redding factory seating die, and this is the first time I've ever encountered deformed bullet tips from seating, obviously the jackets are thinner, and will likely need a VLD seating stem to prevent deformation?

With the 156's I averaged 2681-fps with single digit ES/SD. My drop at 500-yards was a 1/10-mil low, and at 700-yards 3/10-mil low compared to the 140-Hybrids.

My last shot, out of a group of six, I had a very flat primer with cratered strike, whereas the previous five exhibited normal primers.

Accuracy appears comparable to the 140's at distance, and they cut through the wind quite nicely.

Will try more in a few days.

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You saying the BC doesn't appear to be panning out at first glance?
 

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No, I didn't check BC. I just used my 140-Hybrid Dope to get on target. Initially I was only looking at velocity, pressure, and consistency at distance. I will have to run numbers to see if the stated BC is true?
 

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I'm surprised the BC is so low when considering the weight?? Probably the meplat is normal sized for hunting which makes for less BC.

Wish Berger had done a thick target jacket - target bullet instead.

When is Berger going to start pointing bullets?

I'm staying with 140 hybrid till next barrel since my current barrel is 8.5 twist.

Atips are stupid expensive, the hybrids are already too high.

IMO
 

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I would assume that the small 6.5s will do better with 130-140 g bullets, especially with short barrels and slowish twist rates.

I don’t want to say to much about the bc yet, as I have only shot them to 500yds, but if the published bc of .347 is accurate it will be better than any other “hunting” bullet by a good margin.
 

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My 6.5x55 shoots the 147 eld m and I have had no problem with the bc out to 1000 and 1760. I use hornady 3 bcs and works great
 

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6.5 saum...

HBN coated 150 SMK and 156 Berger running Retumbo.

150 SMK at 0.030 jump and 61.6 grains gets me at 3025 and single digit SDs. My other barrel and bullets are not HBN coated. Was using H1000 at 58.5 and 0.030 jump to get 3020.

156 Berger still making a few adjustments. Settled in at 63.8 to 64.0 and adjusting seating depth. Ran to 64.4 and started seeing light ejector swipes. FPS at 63.8 is 3115 and 64.4 gave me 3150 and single digit ES.

147s didn’t work for me in either barrel on this gun... same smith and chambering. I couldn’t get them to group and when I pushed them hard they would leave holes in targets that looked like I was shooting bananas. I hear a lot of good about them, but my personal experience has not yielded the best results.

It is not light, but shoots.... 135 A tips shoot really well... .030 jump and some 1000 worked really well for me. Was hoping to try 153s but became side tracked when Berger’s showed up early.
Those are some hot speeds. What barrel length are you running? What chrono?
 

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Awesome. I’m thinking of working up a 156 or 153 for my SAUM but I don’t know if I’m throated long enough to seat those out far enough to get that case capacity.

Do you know what throat you have and what brass you’re running?
 

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Awesome. I’m thinking of working up a 156 or 153 for my SAUM but I don’t know if I’m throated long enough to seat those out far enough to get that case capacity.

Do you know what throat you have and what brass you’re running?
The reamer is 180 spin up by TS Customs. I am running ADG brass with necks turned to .0145. I started using a drop funnel at 63.5 grains.

I have a proof barrel for when I want to save some weight with the same reamer for this gun... I think the reamer is spot on for 140s and up.

I ran some H1000 with some HBN coated 156s...
61.5 gave me 3023
61.8 gave me 3031
62.2 gave me 3051
62.5 gave me 3073
62.8 gave me 3081

I was told I would need more powder after the HBN process but I didn’t think I would need as much as I have been using.... I just shot some 88s, 90s, and 95s in a 22 Creedmoor to collect some numbers. I am going to HBN coat this barrel and bullets for a direct comparison.

PICT is at 200 yards with 156s. Touching the lands and 5 off. FPS was 3140
 

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6.5 saum...

HBN coated 150 SMK and 156 Berger running Retumbo.

150 SMK at 0.030 jump and 61.6 grains gets me at 3025 and single digit SDs. My other barrel and bullets are not HBN coated. Was using H1000 at 58.5 and 0.030 jump to get 3020.

156 Berger still making a few adjustments. Settled in at 63.8 to 64.0 and adjusting seating depth. Ran to 64.4 and started seeing light ejector swipes. FPS at 63.8 is 3115 and 64.4 gave me 3150 and single digit ES.

147s didn’t work for me in either barrel on this gun... same smith and chambering. I couldn’t get them to group and when I pushed them hard they would leave holes in targets that looked like I was shooting bananas. I hear a lot of good about them, but my personal experience has not yielded the best results.

It is not light, but shoots.... 135 A tips shoot really well... .030 jump and some 1000 worked really well for me. Was hoping to try 153s but became side tracked when Berger’s showed up early.
What’s your barrel twist? Sounds like a stability issue
 

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I finally got a chance to shoot some of the 150smk out of my 65 Creedmoor this last weekend.
Didn't do a ladder to find pressure limit just picked a known safe load I have run with the 147eldm for a quick seating depth test.
I tested three groups of five with 41.2 grains of H4350 from .005"- .010" and .015 OTL in new Lapua brass neck turned for 95% clean up.
The five at .005" off shot right around 1/2 MOA, next five at .010" off opened up slightly and the last five I shot with the Magneeto Speed attached to get a base line for velocity.
The velocity average was 2680 from a 23" Bartlien 1-7.5" twist and no signs of pressure and felt fairly mild for recoil.

At .005" off my COAL was 2.945 and cycled fine through an Accurate and two Alpha mags but if I have to chase the lands these will be single feed before long.
 

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Tagging in.

Have a 28” GAP 4S that will be getting finished shortly. With ADG brass, I’ll be trying 150 SMKs and 135 Atips.

H1k will be the go-to, but I don’t anticipate that 3k will be too difficult to obtain with either bullet combination, but will post updates as I get time to try them.
 

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With my 147 ELDMs I use a G7 of .330 instead of what's printed on the box (.351) and it does very well for me. 24" 1:8 twist moving 2730-ish. Yeah, "it doesn't line up" with what's on the box, but its consistent.
 

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Actually it is if you check out Hornady webpage they list different BCs for different speeds and .332 actually is right there for vel range between M2,5 and M2,25...