Are we being visited...?

Are we being visited?


  • Total voters
    72

cornhusker86

C Co. 3/63 2nd. Bgd.
Belligerents
Oct 20, 2012
1,385
2,997
219
Red Michigan
look no farther then the 1960's era Brookings Institute report that says, we cannot handle the truth and any revelations should be trickled out after preparing the public for the news.

Back then the religious side of life weighed heavily on the decision to keep things secret. We have moved away from religion so those considerations do not have as big an impact today as it would have 50 years ago.

Time travel is the most plausible explanation, but if we believe the Ancient Alien theories there are more than one species at work here.
I forget the name of the new series with the ex .gov. guys doing the investigating, but it is very compelling.
 

Bender

Known Troll
Belligerents
Feb 12, 2014
4,876
7,647
219
Cheyenne WY.
look no farther then the 1960's era Brookings Institute report that says, we cannot handle the truth and any revelations should be trickled out after preparing the public for the news.

Back then the religious side of life weighed heavily on the decision to keep things secret. We have moved away from religion so those considerations do not have as big an impact today as it would have 50 years ago.

Time travel is the most plausible explanation, but if we believe the Ancient Alien theories there are more than one species at work here.
My contention is, if a superior being has the ability to time travel, then everything is open to him, everything is happening at the same time. If it is a benevolent being. I would call that being God.

Let me form it as a question as I believe it.

Would God need light travel to visit his creations? Or does he have something faster. IE time travel. The universe shrinks to nothing with true time travel.
 

Lowlight

HMFIC of this Shit
Staff member
Online Training Access
Apr 12, 2001
28,562
7,988
219
Base of the Rockies
www.snipershide.com
the problem with time travel is the paradoxes one could create

Ancient Alien theory is exactly that, ancient visitors were considered gods and angels which both formed and skewed our definitions of each.

Many cultures credit other worldly beings for a host of advancements or guidance. Most pointing to stars.
 

Greg Langelius *

Resident Elder Fart
Belligerents
Aug 10, 2001
6,340
1,630
219
73
Arizona, good place for me...
I was taught that God is everywhere. Logically, that would negate the need for any such travel.

But really, I think it was just the Nuns trying to instill the fear of Big Brother in us mangy little grade school scalawags...

LOL!

Time travel has conceptual paradoxes.

Einstein's math supports the concept in the normal direction, and technically does not prevent it in reverse.

But the devil is in the details. You still gotta make it work, and nobody that I've read or seen has come up with a methodology that I find convincing.

A Sound of Thunder makes a good try.

Greg
 

Rthur

Philomath
Belligerents
Apr 16, 2010
8,676
7,584
219
50
Not Chicago, Illinios
The laws of physics break down in a sigularity.
I'll wager that will not be the last place we'll find such.
As we have discovered black holes are much more common than thought.
Super massive black holes included.
While breaking the sound barrier was an achievement light will be broken as well.
Exponentially harder but possible.

R
 

Bender

Known Troll
Belligerents
Feb 12, 2014
4,876
7,647
219
Cheyenne WY.
the problem with time travel is the paradoxes one could create

Ancient Alien theory is exactly that, ancient visitors were considered gods and angels which both formed and skewed our definitions of each.

Many cultures credit other worldly beings for a host of advancements or guidance. Most pointing to stars.
I don’t think it creates paradoxes, time travel is not like Back to the Future, it’s multiple/infinite timelines. Time is not linear. We can’t wrap our understanding around it because we have a beginning. Time is linear to us, but to an entity with full use of time travel, it is all open, happening at the same time.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: SilentStalkr

TheGerman

Oberleutnant
Belligerents
Jan 25, 2010
5,184
5,155
219
Out West
Let me know when its visits from a succubus we're talking about.

Until then, anything visiting us or being made aware of our existance has a 99% chance of not ending well for us. To this day I want to cock punch those dumb faggots that keep sending signals out into space trying to find something out there as well as letting it know where we are. Do you honestly think some advanced civilization is going to travel across all of space to come and trade brownie recipies? Fucking morons.
 

Bender

Known Troll
Belligerents
Feb 12, 2014
4,876
7,647
219
Cheyenne WY.
Kaku (yes, I’m a nerd) has excellent writing and work on the subject. He also believes in a creator.


The Physics of Time Travel
Is it real, or is it fable?
In H.G. Wells’ novel, The Time Machine, our protagonist jumped into a special chair with blinking lights, spun a few dials, and found himself catapulted several hundred thousand years into the future, where England has long disappeared and is now inhabited by strange creatures called the Morlocks and Eloi. That may have made great fiction, but physicists have always scoffed at the idea of time travel, considering it to be the realm of cranks, mystics, and charlatans, and with good reason.
However, rather remarkable advances in quantum gravity are reviving the theory; it has now become fair game for theoretical physicists writing in the pages of Physical Review magazine. One stubborn problem with time travel is that it is riddled with several types of paradoxes. For example, there is the paradox of the man with no parents, i.e. what happens when you go back in time and kill your parents before you are born? Question: if your parents died before you were born, then how could you have been born to kill them in the first place?
There is also the paradox of the man with no past. For example, let’s say that a young inventor is trying futilely to build a time machine in his garage. Suddenly, an elderly man appears from nowhere and gives the youth the secret of building a time machine. The young man then becomes enormously rich playing the stock market, race tracks, and sporting events because he knows the future. Then, as an old man, he decides to make his final trip back to the past and give the secret of time travel to his youthful self. Question: where did the idea of the time machine come from?
There is also the paradox of the man who is own mother (my apologies to Heinlein.) “Jane” is left at an orphanage as a foundling. When “Jane” is a teenager, she falls in love with a drifter, who abandons her but leaves her pregnant. Then disaster strikes. She almost dies giving birth to a baby girl, who is then mysteriously kidnapped. The doctors find that Jane is bleeding badly, but, oddly enough, has both sex organs. So, to save her life, the doctors convert “Jane” to “Jim.”
“Jim” subsequently becomes a roaring drunk, until he meets a friendly bartender (actually a time traveler in disguise) who wisks “Jim” back way into the past. “Jim” meets a beautiful teenage girl, accidentally gets her pregnant with a baby girl. Out of guilt, he kidnaps the baby girl and drops her off at the orphanage. Later, “Jim” joins the time travelers corps, leads a distinguished life, and has one last dream: to disguise himself as a bartender to meet a certain drunk named “Jim” in the past. Question: who is “Jane’s” mother, father, brother, sister, grand- father, grandmother, and grandchild?
Not surprisingly, time travel has always been considered impossible. After all, Newton believed that time was like an arrow; once fired, it soared in a straight, undeviating line. One second on the earth was one second on Mars. Clocks scattered throughout the universe beat at the same rate. Einstein gave us a much more radical picture. According to Einstein, time was more like a river, which meandered around stars and galaxies, speeding up and slowing down as it passed around massive bodies. One second on the earth was Not one second on Mars. Clocks scattered throughout the universe beat to their own distant drummer.
However, before Einstein died, he was faced with an embarrassing problem. Einstein’s neighbor at Princeton, Kurt Goedel, perhaps the greatest mathematical logician of the past 500 years, found a new solution to Einstein’s own equations which allowed for time travel! The “river of time” now had whirlpools in which time could wrap itself into a circle. Goedel’s solution was quite ingenious: it postulated a universe filled with a rotating fluid. Anyone walking along the direction of rotation would find themselves back at the starting point, but backwards in time!
In his memoirs, Einstein wrote that he was disturbed that his equations contained solutions that allowed for time travel. But he finally concluded: the universe does not rotate, it ex- pands (i.e. as in the Big Bang theory) and hence Goedel’s solution could be thrown out for “physical reasons.” (Apparently, if the Big Bang was rotating, then time travel would be possible throughout the universe!)
Then in 1963, Roy Kerr, a New Zealand mathematician, found a solution of Einstein’s equations for a rotating black hole, which had bizarre properties. The black hole would not collapse to a point (as previously thought) but into a spinning ring (of neutrons). The ring would be circulating so rapidly that centrifugal force would keep the ring from collapsing under gravity. The ring, in turn, acts like the Looking Glass of Alice. Anyone walking through the ring would not die, but could pass through the ring into an alternate universe. Since then, hundreds of other “wormhole” solutions have been found to Einstein’s equations. These wormholes connect not only two regions of space (hence the name) but also two regions of time as well. In principle, they can be used as time machines.
Recently, attempts to add the quantum theory to gravity (and hence create a “theory of everything”) have given us some insight into the paradox problem. In the quantum theory, we can have multiple states of any object. For example, an electron can exist simultaneously in different orbits (a fact which is responsible for giving us the laws of chemistry). Similarly, Schrodinger’s famous cat can exist simultaneously in two possible states: dead and alive. So by going back in time and altering the past, we merely create a parallel universe. So we are changing someone ELSE’s past by saving, say, Abraham Lincoln from being assassinated at the Ford Theater, but our Lincoln is still dead. In this way, the river of time forks into two separate rivers. But does this mean that we will be able to jump into H.G. Wells’ machine, spin a dial, and soar several hundred thousand years into England’s future? No. There are a number of difficult hurdles to overcome.
First, the main problem is one of energy. In the same way that a car needs gasoline, a time machine needs to have fabulous amounts of energy. One either has to harness the power of a star, or to find something called “exotic” matter (which falls up, rather than down) or find a source of negative energy. (Physicists once thought that negative energy was impossible. But tiny amounts of negative energy have been experimentally verified for something called the Casimir effect, i.e. the energy created by two parallel plates). All of these are exceedingly difficult to obtain in large quantities, at least for several more centuries!
Then there is the problem of stability. The Kerr black hole, for example, may be unstable if one falls through it. Similarly, quantum effects may build up and destroy the wormhole before you enter it. Unfortunately, our mathematics is not powerful enough to answer the question of stability because you need a “theory of everything” which combines both quantum forces and gravity. At present, superstring theory is the leading candidate for such a theory (in fact, it is the ONLY candidate; it really has no rivals at all). But superstring theory, which happens to be my specialty, is still to difficult to solve completely. The theory is well-defined, but no one on earth is smart enough to solve it.
Interestingly enough, Stephen Hawking once opposed the idea of time travel. He even claimed he had “empirical” evidence against it. If time travel existed, he said, then we would have been visited by tourists from the future. Since we see no tourists from the future, ergo: time travel is not possible. Because of the enormous amount of work done by theoretical physicists within the last 5 years or so, Hawking has since changed his mind, and now believes that time travel is possible (although not necessarily practical). (Furthermore, perhaps we are simply not very interesting to these tourists from the future. Anyone who can harness the power of a star would consider us to be very primitive. Imagine your friends coming across an ant hill. Would they bend down to the ants and give them trinkets, books, medicine, and power? Or would some of your friends have the strange urge to step on a few of them?)
In conclusion, don’t turn someone away who knocks at your door one day and claims to be your future great-great-great grandchild. They may be right.
 

Maggot

Laffin atcha unowho
Belligerents
Jul 27, 2007
8,767
2,860
219
look no farther then the 1960's era Brookings Institute report that says, we cannot handle the truth and any revelations should be trickled out after preparing the public for the news.

Back then the religious side of life weighed heavily on the decision to keep things secret. We have moved away from religion so those considerations do not have as big an impact today as it would have 50 years ago.

Time travel is the most plausible explanation, but if we believe the Ancient Alien theories there are more than one species at work here.
To me it seems the height of arrogance to think that we are the only intelligent life in the universe.

You must have known this was coming:

 
Last edited:

Greg Langelius *

Resident Elder Fart
Belligerents
Aug 10, 2001
6,340
1,630
219
73
Arizona, good place for me...
The thing about a singularity is that nobody knows what's in one, or behind the event horizon; and the best the physicists can offer is conjecture.

Putting that into real words; every time they describe anything about the physics of a singularity, they're taking out of their asses.

They know it, and if you can corner one in a bar, they admit it grudgingly.

I have, and they did.

Why? They publish or die, and survive on the grant system.

They admit out loud that it's all smoke and mirrors; and there's no new Honda in the driveway, and no house with that driveway to begin with.

They're the ones who can't handle the truth; yet another stark truth brought to you by the American higher educational system.

Dark matter, dark energy...; don't get me started...

Greg
 
Last edited:

Bender

Known Troll
Belligerents
Feb 12, 2014
4,876
7,647
219
Cheyenne WY.
The thing about a singularity is that nobody knows what's in one, or behind the event horizon; and the best the pysicists can offer is conjecture.

Putting that into real words; every time they describe anything about the physics of a singularity, they're taking out of their asses.

They know it, and if you can corner one in a bar, they admit it grudgingly.

I have, and they did.

Why? They publish or die, and survive on the grant system.

They admit out loud that it's all smoke and mirrors; and there's no new Honda in the driveway, and no house with that driveway to begin with.

They're the ones who can't handle the truth; yet another stark truth brought to you by the American higher educational system.

Dark matter, dark energy...; don't get me started...

Greg
Show me on a Doll where Dr. Kaku and modern physics touched you.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: mduffell

cornhusker86

C Co. 3/63 2nd. Bgd.
Belligerents
Oct 20, 2012
1,385
2,997
219
Red Michigan
My contention is, if a superior being has the ability to time travel, then everything is open to him, everything is happening at the same time. If it is a benevolent being. I would call that being God.

Let me form it as a question as I believe it.

Would God need light travel to visit his creations? Or does he have something faster. IE time travel. The universe shrinks to nothing with true time travel.
This reminds me of St. Peters second Epistle, chapter 3, verse 8;

" But, beloved, do not be ignorant of this one thing, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. "


The meaning of that verse has been heavily debated, but taken literally, it means that we and the Almighty are on different timelines. Put another way, time is flexible.
 

Greg Langelius *

Resident Elder Fart
Belligerents
Aug 10, 2001
6,340
1,630
219
73
Arizona, good place for me...
Right behind my event horizon...; right..., here...! Hey, back off, freak...!

LOL!

Actually, Kaku is one of the very few I have faith in.

Think about it.

When they illustrate anything about a singularity, they need CGI to get any of it across.

That's the first clue...

Everything you see on the tube is there for the sole purpose of selling underarm deodorant.

That's the second clue...

Network Moguls get raises/promoted based on advertising revenues..., and programs get bought because they are more likely to get those raises and promotions for the Moguls.

Shall I continue?

If you want to know what's actually happening, follow the money - My Dad. Happy Father's Day, Dad.

Greg
 

sirhrmechanic

Command Sgt. Major
Belligerents
Feb 23, 2010
13,624
30,561
219
54
The Snobbiest Town in The Snobbiest State in the N
It would be arrogant to think we were alone In the universe... but the energy budgets involved in having alien visitations do not make sense... nor do the odds. We only started emitting on the EM spectrum 100 years ago. 100 light years is nothing.

If we get visited, it will be by EM radiation first. Not the alien equivalents of kids playing in daddy’s Vette.

Also, and to quote Hawking... any contact will be quite messy.

Best scenario I have ever seen for alien contact is The Andromeda Strain..

We best hope that doesn’t happen.

Sirhr
 

Maggot

Laffin atcha unowho
Belligerents
Jul 27, 2007
8,767
2,860
219
The thing about a singularity is that nobody knows what's in one, or behind the event horizon; and the best the physicists can offer is conjecture.

Putting that into real words; every time they describe anything about the physics of a singularity, they're taking out of their asses.

They know it, and if you can corner one in a bar, they admit it grudgingly.

I have, and they did.

Why? They publish or die, and survive on the grant system.

They admit out loud that it's all smoke and mirrors; and there's no new Honda in the driveway, and no house with that driveway to begin with.

They're the ones who can't handle the truth; yet another stark truth brought to you by the American higher educational system.

Dark matter, dark energy...; don't get me started...

Greg
I know. On the other side of the singularity is H. Entering the singularity all is compressed and spit out as Hydrogen, the building block of all.
This reminds me of St. Peters second Epistle, chapter 3, verse 8;

" But, beloved, do not be ignorant of this one thing, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. "


The meaning of that verse has been heavily debated, but taken literally, it means that we and the Almighty are on different timelines. Put another way, time is flexible.
Wrong. There is only one timeline, if there is an Almighty he/she/it only views it from an elevated position.
It would be arrogant to think we were alone In the universe... but the energy budgets involved in having alien visitations do not make sense... nor do the odds. We only started emitting on the EM spectrum 100 years ago. 100 light years is nothing.

If we get visited, it will be by EM radiation first. Not the alien equivalents of kids playing in daddy’s Vette.

Also, and to quote Hawking... any contact will be quite messy.

Best scenario I have ever seen for alien contact is The Andromeda Strain..

We best hope that doesn’t happen.

Sirhr
Physicists can prove the Bumble Bee cannot fly. so much for that.
 

cornhusker86

C Co. 3/63 2nd. Bgd.
Belligerents
Oct 20, 2012
1,385
2,997
219
Red Michigan
I know. On the other side of the singularity is H. Entering the singularity all is compressed and spit out as Hydrogen, the building block of all.


Wrong. There is only one timeline, if there is an Almighty he/she/it only views it from an elevated position.


Physicists can prove the Bumble Bee cannot fly. so much for that.
As I said, it's been heavily debated and is certainly open to interpretation. Yours and mine differ.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Maggot

Greg Langelius *

Resident Elder Fart
Belligerents
Aug 10, 2001
6,340
1,630
219
73
Arizona, good place for me...
I think that we cannot yet think on the levels that explain cosmology. The concepts involved may require actual additional evolution on our part.

But I'd still like to try.

Let's talk energy budgets. Exponents and infinity(infinities?); oh, let us be joyful.

Big Bang. Matter coalesces. Matter-antimatter annihilation occurs. Whole lotta energy goes free-birding about the new Universe(s?)

Let's consider the "(s?)"

Matter and energy can neither be created, nor destroyed, but can be converted back and forth between the two.

We're told that the total sum of matter constitutes a small fraction of a percentage point of that which existed before all that annihilation.

So where's all that energy? To the decimal, please...

Remember, we think we know the age of the Universe(?). There's that "(s?)", again.

I think the math is good, but the arithmetic may be lacking.

But the age is based on distance and time, and the measurements are made in the electromagnetic spectrum. Shifted shades of blue and red, but only those shifts which we can detect and measure. Which is a finite methodology defining an infinite resource. In a real sense, our age for the universe is dependent upon the veracity of our instruments, and not a whole lot more.

IMHO, more ass talk.

The estimated size is based on time and probability. The size is said to be expanding at an accelerating rate. No explanation presents itself so, we are foisted with Black Energy and Black Matter. Must be grant renewal time again... I hate that Grant Guy...

But there's MORE...

At some point, we're told that within the fourteen billion year history of the Universe, that at about five billions years ago, the whole rate of expansion took off a lot faster.

Wha....? I No explanations (that I've heard), no mechanism described. IMHO. more Ass talk.

But back to the question, where is all that immense amount of energy? Or more importantly, where could it possibly be?

IMHO, we look inside that singularity, on the other size of that event horizon, and I think we'll see a whole unexplained, maybe unexplainable, bunch of energy thumbing its nose back at us, big, big, bigtime. Mass too, and I'd say a whole bunch, but certainty? There is no certainty, remember?

Conjecture is all we got, and anybody can make it.

I just did. I'll go further.

Matter can convert to energy, supposedly vice-versa. Mass went into that dark spot singularity, and it can come back out, as a form of gradual energy leakage. (The Gospel of Hawking...)

Had to come from somewhere, but which somewhere? The Bang?"(s?)" The Supernova?"(s?)" The merger of singularities?"(s?)" Stranger Things?"(s?)"

I like that "(s?)"

Have we had enough of my ass talk yet?

Here's my punt.

I think there's a whole lot more space-time/mass/energy in there than a lot of folks are so danged certain they can account for. I mean, in that place where all they can talk about passes through their asses.

I think there's enough and maybe even a whole lot more than is needed to utterly dismiss convenient constructs like Dark Energy and Dark Matter, and maybe a lot of other things the pundits haven't yet dreamed upon. Dark Patootie, maybe?

Riddle me Vera Rubin, Batguys.

Actually, her work is what put me onto this line of thinking, and it's not Black patootie...

Her work is touted (not by her, by others) as support for their Black Patootie. I think they missed the whole point.

Greg

Here's my Rubin Riddle fer ya:

Objects(stars) orbit masses(galactic supermassive singularities), their velocity being a product of that central mass's magnitude and distance.

Increase the mass, and the same velocity requires an increased distance.

But that distance extends through the event horizon, and NOBODY can tell you or me, what the dimensions (dimensionless? Right...!) within that supermassive singularity measure out to.

If the orbital radius is one thing, then the mass involved is a certain magnitude acting over that distance.

But if it is not (tell me it's not, or even that it is, I'll laugh.) then all bets about mass, orbital radius, and Black Patooties are out the window. Which is where they always were already.

Solve for a greater orbital radius, a greater mass is required, and Black Patooties vanish in a wisp of disbelief.

...And suddenly Vera's OBSERVED anomalies make perfect sense.

...And now, the punchline...

What if.... that mass and radial distance is another Universe(s?)

...And suddenly we notice that there are a whole big immense lot of Galaxies and Galactic Supermassive Singularities.

Estimates are at between one hundred billion and two hundred billion (just the detectable ones, mind you...). But what's a billion here or there...

If someone gives you a number and says it's even pretty certain, ask them when they counted them. You get to laugh, too.

Remember, I asked "to the decimal".

Are there any bets off, yet...?

This is the point where I start thinking about infinities and probabilities, and an infinitude of Universes.

They're still thinking about certainties.

Right...
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: sirhrmechanic

Maggot

Laffin atcha unowho
Belligerents
Jul 27, 2007
8,767
2,860
219
I think that we cannot yet think on the levels that explain cosmology. The concepts involved may require actual additional evolution on our part.

But I'd still like to try.

Let's talk energy budgets. Exponents and infinity(infinities?); oh, let us be joyful.

Big Bang. Matter coalesces. Matter-antimatter annihilation occurs. Whole lotta energy goes free-birding about the new Universe(s?)

Let's consider the "(s?)"

Matter and energy can neither be created, nor destroyed, but can be converted back and forth between the two.

We're told that the total sum of matter constitutes a small fraction of a percentage point of that which existed before all that annihilation.

So where's all that energy? To the decimal, please...

Remember, we think we know the age of the Universe(?). There's that "(s?)", again.

I think the math is good, but the arithmetic may be lacking.

But the age is based on distance and time, and the measurements are made in the electromagnetic spectrum. Shifted shades of blue and red, but only those shifts which we can detect and measure. Which is a finite methodology defining an infinite resource. In a real sense, our age for the universe is dependent upon the veracity of our instruments, and not a whole lot more.

IMHO, more ass talk.

But back to the question, where is it? Or more importantly, where could it possibly be?

IMHO, we look inside that singularity, on the other size of that event horizon, and I think we'll see a whole unexplained, maybe unexplainable, bunch of energy thumbing its nose back at us, big, big bigtime. Conjecture is all we got, and anybody can make it.

I just did. I'll go further.

Matter can convert to energy, supposedly vice-versa. Mass went into that dark spot singularity, and it can come back out, as a form of gradual energy leakage. (The Gospel of Hawking...)

Had to come from somewhere, but which somewhere? The Bang?"(s?)" The Supernova?"(s?)" The merger of singularities?"(s?)" Stranger Things?"(s?)"

I like that "(s?)"

Have we had enough of my ass talk yet?

Here's my punt.

I think there's a whole lot more space-time/mass/energy in there than a lot of folks are so danged certain they can account for. I mean, in that place where all they can talk about passes through their asses.

I think there's enough and maybe even a whole lot more than is needed to utterly dismiss convenient constructs like Dark Energy and Dark Matter, and maybe a lot of other things the pundits haven't yet dreamed upon. Dark Patootie, maybe?

Riddle me Vera Rubin, Batguys.

Actually, her work is what put me onto this line of thinking, and it's not Black patootie...

Her work is touted (not by her, by others) as support for their Black Patootie. I think they missed the whole point.

Greg
Uni-verse.

ONE (word)

If there is only one how can there be more than one. One, divided in half is still two ones.
 

Rthur

Philomath
Belligerents
Apr 16, 2010
8,676
7,584
219
50
Not Chicago, Illinios
As mentioned above Dark energy/matter comprises 85% of the known universe.
I'm hearing, we really don't know shit about the majority of the universe.
That heading wouldn't make a good NOVA/Discovery program.
Something I've considered, the big bang is "described" as a single point of which all the matter/energy
emanated from.
Doesn't this sound like the other side of a blackhole?

R
 

SilentStalkr

Wonna Be Badass
Belligerents
Oct 8, 2012
2,089
1,433
219
38
Somewhere in the US
As mentioned above Dark energy/matter comprises 85% of the known universe.
I'm hearing, we really don't know shit about the majority of the universe.
That heading wouldn't make a good NOVA/Discovery program.
Something I've considered, the big bang is "described" as a single point of which all the matter/energy
emanated from.
Doesn't this sound like the other side of a blackhole?

R
There are those that believe, myself included, that what is will he again, meaning at some point the entire universe will quit expanding and more or less snap back and become a huge point of (well everything) and that the Big Bang will happen again. Think about it, black holes merging with other black holes. At some point these become so massive that they eat each other while the universe snaps back and we begin again and again and again. Others believe something similar but believe that there are many multi verses playing out every possibility at the same time. Remember, energy cannot be destroyed only changed. It has to go somewhere and it has to come from something. I believe in a creator and since Hebrews explicitly states that he can roll up the heavens like a carpet it kind of gives credence to the possibility of my theory that he can make things like the Big Bang happen over and over and over. The rolling up of the carpet seems similar to my snapping back theory. I also believe there is more than one universe, so a multiverse if you will. I also do not believe we are the only ones in this large expanse of space that we cannot even comprehend the size of. With that being said it’s probable that we aren’t the only ones and these other species could be billions of years ahead of us in our understanding of physics. Could these species be visiting us? Sure. I’ve never seen anything but I won’t discount it either. Why would they visit us? I have no idea and as others have mentioned unless they are benevolent creatures, any visitation probably would not bode well for us.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Snipe260

pewpewfever

Raw Recruit
Online Training Access
Belligerents
Minuteman
Mar 31, 2019
212
92
34
DFW
I think it highly likely that intelligent life has evolved elsewhere in the universe, but that the chance of any two intelligent species ever encountering one another is very small. Too much separation in time and space. My physics degree prevents me from crediting faster than light travel until I see it. One’s mass approaches infinity as one’s speed approaches the speed of light. It’s not like the sound barrier.

The only way I see aliens making it here is if their robot ships traveled here over extremely long periods of time, thawed out some frozen embryos, and raised them to interact with us. Or maybe the robots selected a native species and altered its dna to incorporate dna of their creators. But then one of those progeny stole a piece of fucking fruit and here we are.
 

brianf

Private
Belligerents
Apr 8, 2010
1,316
1,087
219
42
NY
As said before, the odds are they are out there
Odds are they are watching or visiting or manipulating
If we see them it's because they want us to
I'm just hoping we are the ant farm they don't want to shake
My gut says any meeting will not work out well and any transfer of tech that is beyond our comprehension will culminate in our demise knowingly or not
For 50 years we've possessed the power to eliminate civilization as we know it ...that's been hard enough
 

cornhusker86

C Co. 3/63 2nd. Bgd.
Belligerents
Oct 20, 2012
1,385
2,997
219
Red Michigan
2019
-1945
= 74
;)


As said before, the odds are they are out there
Odds are they are watching or visiting or manipulating
If we see them it's because they want us to
I'm just hoping we are the ant farm they don't want to shake
My gut says any meeting will not work out well and any transfer of tech that is beyond our comprehension will culminate in our demise knowingly or not
For 50 years we've possessed the power to eliminate civilization as we know it ...that's been hard enough
 
  • Like
Reactions: brianf

smoooth1

Private
Belligerents
Mar 4, 2017
207
101
49
I think it highly likely that intelligent life has evolved elsewhere in the universe, but that the chance of any two intelligent species ever encountering one another is very small. Too much separation in time and space. My physics degree prevents me from crediting faster than light travel until I see it. One’s mass approaches infinity as one’s speed approaches the speed of light. It’s not like the sound barrier.

The only way I see aliens making it here is if their robot ships traveled here over extremely long periods of time, thawed out some frozen embryos, and raised them to interact with us. Or maybe the robots selected a native species and altered its dna to incorporate dna of their creators. But then one of those progeny stole a piece of fucking fruit and here we are.

That’s pretty much the story of the Annunaki.......
 

Greg Langelius *

Resident Elder Fart
Belligerents
Aug 10, 2001
6,340
1,630
219
73
Arizona, good place for me...
Some Syfy.

Uploading consciousness, replicating same, sending them toward many ordinates.

What is humanity, anyway, beyond the consciousness?

Community, beyond consensus?

Consciousness guiding instrumentality?

To know is to be, and to respond is to advance beyond the basic being.

Greg
 

Rthur

Philomath
Belligerents
Apr 16, 2010
8,676
7,584
219
50
Not Chicago, Illinios
There are those that believe, myself included, that what is will he again, meaning at some point the entire universe will quit expanding and more or less snap back and become a huge point of (well everything) and that the Big Bang will happen again. Think about it, black holes merging with other black holes. At some point these become so massive that they eat each other while the universe snaps back and we begin again and again and again. Others believe something similar but believe that there are many multi verses playing out every possibility at the same time. Remember, energy cannot be destroyed only changed. It has to go somewhere and it has to come from something. I believe in a creator and since Hebrews explicitly states that he can roll up the heavens like a carpet it kind of gives credence to the possibility of my theory that he can make things like the Big Bang happen over and over and over. The rolling up of the carpet seems similar to my snapping back theory. I also believe there is more than one universe, so a multiverse if you will. I also do not believe we are the only ones in this large expanse of space that we cannot even comprehend the size of. With that being said it’s probable that we aren’t the only ones and these other species could be billions of years ahead of us in our understanding of physics. Could these species be visiting us? Sure. I’ve never seen anything but I won’t discount it either. Why would they visit us? I have no idea and as others have mentioned unless they are benevolent creatures, any visitation probably would not bode well for us.
I understand this logic but according to the "experts" the expansion is accelerating.

R
 

Maggot

Laffin atcha unowho
Belligerents
Jul 27, 2007
8,767
2,860
219
Some Syfy.

Uploading consciousness, replicating same, sending them toward many ordinates.

What is humanity, anyway, beyond the consciousness?

Community, beyond consensus?

Consciousness guiding instrumentality?

To know is to be, and to respond is to advance beyond the basic being.

Greg
-"To know is to be"

Sounds like Rene' DesCartes. "I think therefore I am."

Sounds good on the surface but if you really think about it, "To Be" only connotes existence, and a rock or a piece of coal has existence. They dont, however, think.

-"to respond is to advance beyond the basic being."

If you damage a plant, it responds...the leaves wilt and possibly it dies. If you pet, or hit, your cat, or my wolves, they respond, so that does advance them beyond basic being. Most animals have some higher consciousness, mine can plot out and execute simple plans, like bringing the food bowl to me when they are hungry, or burying food for the future, but that still falls short of reflective self consciousness. Some of the higher apes apparently have some higher ability to think...."Coco sad that Tom (the trainer) angry". Some even use simple tools. but still not what I would consider true higher consciousness. Man, even making a rocket to go to the moon, is still just using tools and simple (or complex) planning, just an elevated form of the animal using a stick to dig out ants.

So what determines true "Higher consciousness"?

Some might say "Conceiving of a higher being" but I see no concrete evidence of that, only speculation based on 'faith". Im not acknowledging that concept one way or another.

As far as I can determine, it only the ability to see and understand, ones own eventual death.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Greg Langelius *

Maggot

Laffin atcha unowho
Belligerents
Jul 27, 2007
8,767
2,860
219
There are those that believe, myself included, that what is will he again, meaning at some point the entire universe will quit expanding and more or less snap back and become a huge point of (well everything) and that the Big Bang will happen again. Think about it, black holes merging with other black holes. At some point these become so massive that they eat each other while the universe snaps back and we begin again and again and again. Others believe something similar but believe that there are many multi verses playing out every possibility at the same time. Remember, energy cannot be destroyed only changed. It has to go somewhere and it has to come from something. I believe in a creator and since Hebrews explicitly states that he can roll up the heavens like a carpet it kind of gives credence to the possibility of my theory that he can make things like the Big Bang happen over and over and over. The rolling up of the carpet seems similar to my snapping back theory. I also believe there is more than one universe, so a multiverse if you will. I also do not believe we are the only ones in this large expanse of space that we cannot even comprehend the size of. With that being said it’s probable that we aren’t the only ones and these other species could be billions of years ahead of us in our understanding of physics. Could these species be visiting us? Sure. I’ve never seen anything but I won’t discount it either. Why would they visit us? I have no idea and as others have mentioned unless they are benevolent creatures, any visitation probably would not bode well for us.
There can be only one 'UNIVERSE' consider 'UNI...it means 'ONE' as in 'uniform'...one form. It may contain many pockets or permutations that you consider 'multiverses', but only one UNI verse.

The Hindu philosophies spoke of that very phenomena you call expansion and rolling up. They call them the Yugas, and lay out specific time periods. Again, Im neither endorsing nor condemning it, only pointing it out for consideration. If one approaches it with an open mind it doesnt have to offend your Christian view.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KLfSZV.gZded8ALplXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEybzQwNWh1BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjI5NDRfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1560767189/RO=10/RU=https://www.templepurohit.com/the-four-yugas-timings-duraction-info-epochs-hinduism//RK=2/RS=aDuar4VJ1vNYDEoXuCe9QJ3k550-
 

SilentStalkr

Wonna Be Badass
Belligerents
Oct 8, 2012
2,089
1,433
219
38
Somewhere in the US
I understand this logic but according to the "experts" the expansion is accelerating.

R
Not entirely true. It’s both accelerating in some directions and slowing in others. My astrophysics classes were quite entertaining. Truth of the matter is, as much as the experts like to claim to the contrary, we don’t really know crap. Some answers lead to more questions. We may never know.
 

SilentStalkr

Wonna Be Badass
Belligerents
Oct 8, 2012
2,089
1,433
219
38
Somewhere in the US
There can be only one 'UNIVERSE' consider 'UNI...it means 'ONE' as in 'uniform'...one form. It may contain many pockets or permutations that you consider 'multiverses', but only one UNI verse.

The Hindu philosophies spoke of that very phenomena you call expansion and rolling up. They call them the Yugas, and lay out specific time periods. Again, Im neither endorsing nor condemning it, only pointing it out for consideration. If one approaches it with an open mind it doesnt have to offend your Christian view.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KLfSZV.gZded8ALplXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEybzQwNWh1BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjI5NDRfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1560767189/RO=10/RU=https://www.templepurohit.com/the-four-yugas-timings-duraction-info-epochs-hinduism//RK=2/RS=aDuar4VJ1vNYDEoXuCe9QJ3k550-
I am a Christian without a doubt, but I also have an open mind. I also find it interesting that most of the worlds religion, different as they are, all describe similar past events, like the Flood. The Hindus talk about Manu and the Muslims have mention of the great Floor in the Quran. There are others as well.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Maggot