From what I have read lately, it looks like the E COTI might have or is fixing to become Unobtainium due to filling military contracts. Additionally, it has been reported that the 640 is not really that much better than the 320 units as far as distance and i always just run mine in outline anyway, so don't see how a 640 would really enhance that mode much.I’m wondering Where’s the least expensive place to get a COTI or even E-COTI?
Your comments are 150% spot on to my experiences also. I do own and run 2 TACS M Coti's sometimes. They mainly sit nowday's due to my Breach setups.WN&H says COTI is a weak system specialized to mission specific tasks, relating to tnvc-augee article.
And that dedicated smaller thermals are preferable to coti for general use.
This is the truth as I know it as well, and not from the article.
Coti is fragile compared to dedicated units. It's a carbuncle added to a 14 that isnt designed for extremely hard use, the failure rate is much higher than dedicated units.
The usable range is much reduced from a dedicated unit.
I removed myself from earlier coti for all those reasons and the short battery life.
Going through doors looking for people, I was ok with coti. All night in the woods not so ok. Mtm was so much more useful.
Jmhe.. your mileage may have varied. vr
Put me down for 3 plugs if you would Please Sir. I got a buddy that would love one also. You the man. I have been thinking the same thing for a while but you appear to be way ahead of me on making it happen.Aye, I've reported on my mileage with COTI multiple times. It's an essential piece of gear for using laser in the woods / heavily vegetated area, when 14 only cannot see the critter. Coti can see the critter and 14 can see the laser and "bang". Reports on recent use are in my night shooting thread.
Short battery life is a big deal. The biggest. And working on a plug to solve. The tough part is the threads. We are getting closer.
But all that said, and as I've stated multiple times. COTI is not much of a spotter it is a shooting/aiming aid. That's why I also wear skeet or patrol on left eye with 14+coti on right eye. That combination works for me when walking and stalking with carbine + laser, usually in woods.
Clean as in image wise or not stolen LOL?Anything clean for $3,500 or lower than that and you are getting pretty decent value for your money IMHO.
I do 150% 2nd Wig's assessment. If I had to do either/or, I would pick a Breach, MTM over a COTI if I could only have one.If you want a head mounted thermal spotter, the MTM or even the Breach would be a better choice ... the breach is lower cost. The plus of the coti is for helping the 14 aim with the laser when the 14 can't see the critter.
I do occasionally go "minimalist" with only 1x14 and the coti. But that's usually in open pasture ... and for whatever reason I also use outline mode for that ... And it works great for detection. Out to about 600yds, ,depending on thermal condiions. But I still don't consider the coti to be much of a spotter. The MTM and Breach are your under $4k solutions for head mounted spotting.
Not sure what kind of helmet you are running but here is a thought for you to maybe consider. You can take the thicker 4D brow pad and put in a helmet and it pushes your face away from the mount say 1/2 to maybe 3/4" ish and that will put your NODS/Devices a little bit further out.Thanks to all, this has been a very instructive thread for me. Has anyone tried to run a Patrol/PVS14 dual setup that wears glasses? If so, is there a dual mount that will push the Patrol further forward? I currently have a Wilcox G22 and their dual bridge and even with one arm on the dual bridge flipped and reversed to provide more forward movement of the Patrol, I still cannot wear my glasses.
Thanks, have not thought of that but will check. Running with a Team Wendy bump helmet.Not sure what kind of helmet you are running but here is a thought for you to maybe consider. You can take the thicker 4D brow pad and put in a helmet and it pushes your face away from the mount say 1/2 to maybe 3/4" ish and that will put your NODS/Devices a little bit further out.
Just a thought on how you position a helmet on your head via pads, H Nape Ratchet band etc.
Thanks for sharing this. I will share a picture of the setup, but it will be a couple days before I am back and town and can do so. It looks just like the last pic with the right Wilcox arm flipped too.Frog05's pic, showing patrol and pvs 14, eye pieces even. Should work on AKA2.
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NewGuys pic, eyepieces not even. Doesnt look like it will work with AKA2.
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Can you post a pic of your unit, laid out like new guys. Give us an idea.
Yep, about 2 hours due south! And my setup is the same distance off the eyes as your Reap. I can run without my glasses but it is kinda a PIA as I also have to adjust my scope to my eyes with no glasses too then when I flip it up cannot see a thing.....including finding my glasses lol. My wish for Shot Show this year is someone releasing a 640 compact unit that can be easily dual mounted with a 14....for under $5k! And for Trijicon to come out with a drop in rechargeable battery pack for the Reap and Patrol that will run 8 hours....if you’re gonna dream might as well dream big@BamaSE
Frog05's bridge is an Integrated Components unit, using the unit's removable arm on the 14, and the bridge receptacle (minus that arm) for the patrol's dovetail.
Newguys setup is the wilcox bridge. I have spent about an hour screwing with my wilcox bridge and my Reap/IR, which is the same body fit as the patrol. I cant get any different setup than the pic shown.
And.... it's back under the helmet lip, around 3/8" at full forward extension.
Real close to my glasses experiment.
Cant say how it might work for you without you actually trying an aka2.
Is BamaSE an indicator you are "in south east Bama" ?
If you are, I am in central east bama, near (kinda) Ft Benning and the cow college ()...
Potential for hands on some equipment.
I can verify it is indeed much easier on the eyes with a white phosphor tube vs green.My cheap solution to the 14 and mtm unit mounting after revision 2.
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It does work, but takes a ton of getting used to. Would work better with a white phosphor 14 than the green.
Still working on dovetail shoes to adapt to the wilcox bridge, shoes should arrive in mail Friday, then we play some more....
Pics will follow.
For us PO Folks running Green, I have had really great luck with running Sureshot SNR filters. Dang best thing I ever slapped on a Green PVS 14. It doesn't make it white but it tones it down to a very pleasant lighter colored green and eliminates most of the Scintillation such that I see a much clearer image. I don't know what "secret sauce" Jay put in them dam things but he knocked the ball out the park IMHO. I have one set of very noisy Omni 7's that the SNR filter turned them into a really good set of 14's compared to not having them on.I can verify it is indeed much easier on the eyes with a white phosphor tube vs green.