Anyone on a Keto diet? I'll probably die, but oh well.

TheGerman

Oberleutnant
Jan 25, 2010
3,676
947
113
Out West
#1
I did it once years ago and saw results that made me think I was going crazy. Stopped after I had a really strange episode after ruck marching outside for 2 hours and when I made it back to the house I had some sort of really weird collapse/seizure/something that I've never had before and nothing close to since. I stopped and went back to a regular diet as I always felt a little different on keto and the episode I had just felt like it somehow had something to do with it.

Anyone do it? I have my macros all mapped out already and am trying to find sites where you can pretty much get a meal plan for 1, 2+ weeks at a time for your parameters (2200 cals, 165 protein, 25 carb, 160 fat) and just shop, cook and be done. Finding recipes and trying to mix/match them to make daily meals that fit into my parameters is what makes me stop doing shit like this.
 

Rerun7

Furious George
Feb 18, 2017
572
61
28
Fayetteville, Arkansas
#4
Just out of curiosity, why do you want to do keto? Everyone seems to think carbs are the enemy but that's just not true. Your body needs carbs for energy to fuel your workouts and basic functions. No wonder you nearly collapsed after a 2hr march. Eating a bunch of white flour, sugar and processed foods are the enemy.

I don't trust any nutrition plan that eliminates or nearly eliminates a food group. FWIW, I started studying nutrition about a year ago and got serious about my diet and exercise. I wasn't fat (so I thought at the time) but I wanted to get back into fighting shape. Since then I've lost over 30lbs and about half my body fat. I never cut carbs low to do it. If it's not sustainable then it's not good for you IMHO.
 
Feb 18, 2017
76
2
8
#5
I went paleo for a while and had great results. I did cut my carbs to nearly nothing. I learned that if I am not exercising, I function just fine after a fairly shitty adjustment period. I am no where near my fighting shape. But for casual daily life with out much exercise I think it could be very effective for me.
I will admit that if I were going to get into fighting shape carbs are a must, for me.
 

TheGerman

Oberleutnant
Jan 25, 2010
3,676
947
113
Out West
#6
Just out of curiosity, why do you want to do keto? Everyone seems to think carbs are the enemy but that's just not true. Your body needs carbs for energy to fuel your workouts and basic functions. No wonder you nearly collapsed after a 2hr march. Eating a bunch of white flour, sugar and processed foods are the enemy.

I don't trust any nutrition plan that eliminates or nearly eliminates a food group. FWIW, I started studying nutrition about a year ago and got serious about my diet and exercise. I wasn't fat (so I thought at the time) but I wanted to get back into fighting shape. Since then I've lost over 30lbs and about half my body fat. I never cut carbs low to do it. If it's not sustainable then it's not good for you IMHO.
I'm 6 foot, 185lbs, so in no way am I fat or out of shape or going from eating ho-hos and cereal all day to wanting to diet all of a sudden. I want to go from good shape, to rip your face off shape again.

It seemed to be in the past the only thing thats really worked as far as results; I don't know if it has to do something with my thyroid being removed in 2011 but ever since, any normal diet focused on calories/protein/low carb has done fuck all for me and I see zero results regardless of what I do. Sit on my ass, same results as cardio 5x a week and lifting.

When I did keto in the past, it was like a switch came on. But again, that was a few years back so no idea what do expect this time. I believe my stupid error the last time was that I was not eating nearly enough food/calories regardless of keto or not. I was basically eating my BMR plus a few calories and working out/lifting/running/rucking like fucking crazy.

Overall I don't think its a huge change. I mean I go from 2200 cals of 180g protein and <50g carbs a day, to <25 carbs a day. I'm pretty much trading carbs for fat.

Curious, can you list your meal plan/diet you are working on? Am always looking to see what people use and what works.
 

TheGerman

Oberleutnant
Jan 25, 2010
3,676
947
113
Out West
#7
I went paleo for a while and had great results. I did cut my carbs to nearly nothing. I learned that if I am not exercising, I function just fine after a fairly shitty adjustment period. I am no where near my fighting shape. But for casual daily life with out much exercise I think it could be very effective for me.
I will admit that if I were going to get into fighting shape carbs are a must, for me.
Greetings from the midst of the adjustment period. Ugh.
 

Rerun7

Furious George
Feb 18, 2017
572
61
28
Fayetteville, Arkansas
#8
When I did keto in the past, it was like a switch came on. But again, that was a few years back so no idea what do expect this time. I believe my stupid error the last time was that I was not eating nearly enough food/calories regardless of keto or not. I was basically eating my BMR plus a few calories and working out/lifting/running/rucking like fucking crazy.

Overall I don't think its a huge change. I mean I go from 2200 cals of 180g protein and <50g carbs a day, to <25 carbs a day. I'm pretty much trading carbs for fat.

Curious, can you list your meal plan/diet you are working on? Am always looking to see what people use and what works.
I hear you. The background is helpful because everyone reacts differently and you have to find what works for you. I've just seen a lot of people jumping on the latest, greatest fad without ever trying the basics and can't sustain the progress they make so 6 months later they are back to where they started.

I've tried low carb, low fat, etc and it didn't really work for me, YMMV. I started easing back into things about a year ago and got serious about 8 months ago. I started at about 26% BF and at 12% today with my goal of hitting 10%. My lifts have increased 2x-3x as well during this time and my mile run time decreased by over 2 minutes so I'm in way better shape than I was.

Here's what works for me.
workouts:
- lift heavy 3x a week with an upper/lower split (focused on compound exercises)
- run 2x a week with an emphasis on HIIT
- progressive overload for all lifting and change up my routine every 6-8 weeks

nutrition:
- I weigh and measure and track everything I eat (pretty easy once you get used to it)
- 1 gram of protein per lb of body weight, .3-.4 grams of healthy fat per lb of body weight, complex carbs fill in the rest of my calorie allotment (between 200-300 grams a day depending on cutting or bulking)
- 500 calories below maintenance a day for cutting and about 300 above for bulking
- also started IF recently and seeing good results from it so far

Thats it. Nothing too crazy and I feel like I could maintain this program for a long time.


 

TheGerman

Oberleutnant
Jan 25, 2010
3,676
947
113
Out West
#9
Rerun7

Do you mean 200-300 grams of carbs a day, or am I misreading something?

I'm finally coming out of that 'fog' you get into when switching. So the last few days I've been either wired, or the walking dead and have done zero as far as working out this week.

Overall daily calories I'm looking at 2200 calories which is 500 less than maintenance and really the only grey area I have with everything. With the 2200-2300 range, I'm doing 160g fat, 170g protein and <25g carbs. I remember running my BMR and it was like 1850 a day, just to be alive. Between moving around all day and whatever goes on in a full day, I'd venture the other 500 calories are burned off but here is what I've really been on the fence about; lets say I put in a hard 30 mins of HIIT one day at that burns around 600 calories when I do it. Should I be eating more now because of those 600 calories so I don't somehow trigger my body's 'oh shit we re gonna starve!' mechanism, or just let the working out up my metabolism and ride out the benefits/calorie deficiency?

That line of, not eating enough/eating too much has always confused the shit out of me.
 
Feb 18, 2017
76
2
8
#10
Greetings from the midst of the adjustment period. Ugh.

Let me know how your results are coming along. If I remember correctly the fog and walking dead feeling comes from a lack of electrolytes caused by the diet.
There is some sort of mixture of water and something else to restore life.
 

TheGerman

Oberleutnant
Jan 25, 2010
3,676
947
113
Out West
#11
Let me know how your results are coming along. If I remember correctly the fog and walking dead feeling comes from a lack of electrolytes caused by the diet.
There is some sort of mixture of water and something else to restore life.
I already have always drank >1 gallon of water a day, so its not that.

I read in a few places to sip on 2 cups of broth for the day and have done that for the last 2 days. Not sure if its that or just the overall adjustment, but I'm slowly getting out of it.

The absolute weirdest thing is when I go to bed at night, I'm fucking wired for the first hour. No idea why.
 
Feb 18, 2017
76
2
8
#12
It is not just plain water you have put something else in it. Water will work against you in large enough quantities for electrolyte purposes.
Now I have to look it up.
 

Rerun7

Furious George
Feb 18, 2017
572
61
28
Fayetteville, Arkansas
#13
Rerun7

Do you mean 200-300 grams of carbs a day, or am I misreading something?
Right, typically 200-300 grams of carbs a day. Depending on what my calorie requirements are during a cut or bulk. Sometimes a little under/over that. Those are mostly made up from brown rice, sweet potatoes or whole grains.

Regarding adding back calories for exercise, I say no. The easiest and best way I've found is to start tracking your food and working out like normal. Find the calorie intake where you maintain weight for a few weeks and that's your set point to add or reduce calories for bulk/cut. If your working out is consistent then you don't need to add or remove calories depending on what you do, that gets way too complicated and you'll end up driving yourself crazy.

For me, it took about 4 weeks of adjusting to get my maintenance calories set but once I did I've been able to better calculate what happens when I change my diet up.

Didnt mention it it but I also drink a gallon of water a day and do some supplements. Most of my water intake is mixed with BCAAs. Xtend is the best!
 

TheGerman

Oberleutnant
Jan 25, 2010
3,676
947
113
Out West
#14
I have BCAA and Glutamine from MyProtein but never really messed with them. Was going to do 1 serving each 3x a day when I ate; or is there a science to it like take it 30 mins before exercise, etc?

I've been almost dead on with macros since the start. The good news is I've figured out a 'go to' set of foods where I don't have to dick around with too much to get my macros to work for the day. Just need to expand because I'm really not in the mood to eat the same shit every day.

Another observation is that after not working out for a week, mainly due to the diet 'cross over' as well as giving a constantly aching muscle in my lower back a rest, I ran yesterday and noticed two things; first, it was effortless. Second, I was in like a daydream fog the entire time.

I'm also totally not hungry most of the day at all.
 
Aug 23, 2010
1,008
2
0
38
Panhandle north Idaho
#15
Just out of curiosity, why do you want to do keto? Everyone seems to think carbs are the enemy but that's just not true. Your body needs carbs for energy to fuel your workouts and basic functions. No wonder you nearly collapsed after a 2hr march. Eating a bunch of white flour, sugar and processed foods are the enemy.

I don't trust any nutrition plan that eliminates or nearly eliminates a food group. FWIW, I started studying nutrition about a year ago and got serious about my diet and exercise. I wasn't fat (so I thought at the time) but I wanted to get back into fighting shape. Since then I've lost over 30lbs and about half my body fat. I never cut carbs low to do it. If it's not sustainable then it's not good for you IMHO.
Because carbs are junk, I call them "carbage", your body in fact does not need carbs, what little your brain needs your body will make, it's very little. I've been on keto since the very beginning of December and I'm finally realizing my weight loss goals. I'll be on this "diet" for life. Every 2 weeks I do a refeed but it's not necessary. I'm a believer, I feel so much better not consuming carbs, no bloating, gas, etc. It's amazing!
 
Likes: SLG

Rerun7

Furious George
Feb 18, 2017
572
61
28
Fayetteville, Arkansas
#16
Because carbs are junk, I call them "carbage", your body in fact does not need carbs, what little your brain needs your body will make, it's very little. I've been on keto since the very beginning of December and I'm finally realizing my weight loss goals. I'll be on this "diet" for life. Every 2 weeks I do a refeed but it's not necessary. I'm a believer, I feel so much better not consuming carbs, no bloating, gas, etc. It's amazing!
Again, if it works for you then that's great! But I've never seen where cutting carbs out of your diet long term is good for you. Didn't they prove that the Atkins diet wasn't beneficial? Keto seems like a repackaged version of that to me. I'm not usually one to call out someone's way of doing things but the OP wanted to know why he had an episode after long intense exercise with no carbs.

You can definitely use keto to lean out during a cut but I don't think it's a good long term solution.

Carbs aren't junk. Junk carbs are junk. Complex carbs are needed by the body to maintain hormone and energy levels (hence the refeed to balance out your leptin levels). Too many carbs will make you fat. So will too much protein and fat. Eating more calories than you expend causes fat gain, not carbs.

 
Aug 23, 2010
1,008
2
0
38
Panhandle north Idaho
#17
Again, if it works for you then that's great! But I've never seen where cutting carbs out of your diet long term is good for you. Didn't they prove that the Atkins diet wasn't beneficial? Keto seems like a repackaged version of that to me. I'm not usually one to call out someone's way of doing things but the OP wanted to know why he had an episode after long intense exercise with no carbs.

You can definitely use keto to lean out during a cut but I don't think it's a good long term solution.

Carbs aren't junk. Junk carbs are junk. Complex carbs are needed by the body to maintain hormone and energy levels (hence the refeed to balance out your leptin levels). Too many carbs will make you fat. So will too much protein and fat. Eating more calories than you expend causes fat gain, not carbs.
You are right, I'm just such a huge keto advocate now lol. I stick by cutting out carbs is ok even great long term for the human body though.

I agree eating over maintenance is surplus and if you aren't bulking then it's turning to fat.
 
Feb 18, 2017
76
2
8
#18
Let me know how your results are coming along. If I remember correctly the fog and walking dead feeling comes from a lack of electrolytes caused by the diet.
There is some sort of mixture of water and something else to restore life.

I know I am late, but I thought this might help some one else. I found another article about keto. Says to mix salt with water or take magnesium tablets to avoid the shitty adjustment period.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/side-effects

 
Feb 16, 2017
446
1
18
West
#19
I did the keto thing for a couple weeks (about 6)
Felt terrible
Zero energy

lost fat, however I got off because my labs were messed up. It seems to be common for a keto diet to greatly suppress your test levels while promoting estrogen
 
Apr 6, 2017
303
5
18
Georgia
#20
I am trying it now and is working but will cycle to include some carbs soon. I have enough to loose that I am not in danger of crashing. I figure every one works differently and constantly tweaking routine and diet helps avoid plateaus.
 
Feb 18, 2017
76
2
8
#21
I have lost over 20 lbs and gained some muscle while on keto so far. I had to wait a few weeks after starting, before I did any lifting at all. It takes a while for the body to adjust to burning fat. Electrolytes were key for me, to avoid feeling like shit.
 

agbm

Sergeant
Jan 15, 2012
673
0
0
53
Fl, USA
#22
https://www.ruled.me Here you go check out the website it has all the info you will ever need. Ketogenesis is the biochemical process by which organisms produce a group of substances collectively known as ketone bodies by the breakdown of fatty acids and ketogenic amino acids. You need to take in High Amout of Good Fats/ Moderate Amount of Good Protein/ Low Amount of Good Carbs. Check out the website and learn what its all about, your brain & body can use carbs for fuel or it can use Fat for fuel. Everbody has a unlimited storage of fat within the body. But the human body does not have a unlimited supply of carbs. The human body is more efficient at using fat than carbs, as the person in control you have to start the process in motion. You will also need a Blood Glucose meter and a Keytone meter or a combo unit to monitor your levels. If your goal is to switch your body over to Ketogenesis go for it. Everyone calls Keto a diet, you are not dieting on Keto. Check out the website, remember you will get what's called Keto Flu for a short period of time(duration varies). Drink water with Himalayan pink salt or Celtic sea salt in it, Keto acts like a diuretic. You will change your whole life and its easy if you can get your family on board with you. Good Luck, You Can Do It!
 
Last edited:

agbm

Sergeant
Jan 15, 2012
673
0
0
53
Fl, USA
#23
Hey Guys another person with a whole lot a great information. https://www.stephanieperson.com She covers all the bases from A to Z dealing with Keto. Check out here youtube videos to learn the info needed to be a successful. Ton of Video's explaining Ketogenesis and how it works with the whole body(Testosterone, thyroid, Etc). Good luck on your transformation. Also Keto can be a challenge for people that have metabolic damage (thyroid removed, addrenal issues, Etc. Some things can be healed/ repaired and some can't.

What are the phases of Keto?
#1. Getting your body to use the Fats you are Fedding it/ Taking in Everyday VS using the Carbs. You are 1/2 way there.
#2. Getting your body to use its own fat reserves you have stored in your body without feeding it any external fat. Now your in Ketogenesis!!!!

Ketogenesis is a beautiful way of life. Suprize Suprize Suprize and you said you never did Keto before. If by chance when you were born your Mother Breast Feed you, you were in a Ketogenesisas state as a baby for a period of time.
 
Last edited:

bachelorjack

Doesn't Like You
Sep 10, 2007
669
9
18
Columbia, SC
www.snipershide.com
#24
There is this whole idea that we are all built the same. But that's not really the case. Our bodies are adapted by centuries of diets based on ancestors and where we came from and what was available.

I cycle on keto fine. No issues. No headaches. My body seems to crave fat. My mental sharpness goes up as does my test levels. In short I feel fucking great. I sleep better and feel more rested. It's weird.

If I follow even a low fat suggested diet I get headaches, feel like crap, etc.

The same science that explains how some cultures and races cannot process alcohols as efficiently is accepted. When applied to diet it is ignored and we are all told to eat the same way for optimum nutrition and health. What works for me may or may not work for you. You need to figure out what works for you. The only way I know to do this is to pull blood work labs and write down how you feel in a journal and see what happens.
 

Cartman

Bird Dogging Expert
May 5, 2007
1,384
0
0
NunYo SoCal
#25
Didn't they prove that the Atkins diet wasn't beneficial?
No. That was certainly claimed years ago. It's also claimed by every competing diet, and even hippie and government funded organization that want to eliminate meat as a dietary staple in an effort to "save the planet".

The latest research all suggests Atkins was right on the money.

German, I've never been a fat guy. And am probably a similar build. Six feet, about 189 now. I wear a 46 jacket and 34 pants if that helps. When I was younger, and pretty lean, I went on an Atkins to lower my body fat % even lower to get a certain look (I think I was single at the time LOL). I lost eleven pounds all off my waist in about six weeks or something like that. I had my blood work done (because everyone at the time (mid 90s) claimed it would kill me. All excellent.

Today I think the New Atkins has improved things (more emphases on vegetables). https://www.amazon.com/New-Atkins-Y...TF8&qid=1493660666&sr=8-1&keywords=new+atkins
There's also a workbook and cookbook you might like that go with that.

My wife and I have followed these principles for years and both look great. But we follow them loosely -- we still eat some bread, and we do eat desert and sugared beverages. If you wanted to be ripped, you would not "cheat". Any kind of diet like this is not easy if you're eating out. Because things like sugar and other carbs, especially bread, potatoes, pasta, rice, etc. are generally no-nos. If you can prepare at home it's a lot easier. I haven't found any health downsides to this kind of diet. And I would check it out before I went on the Keto diet based on what I've read. New Atkins does trigger the burning of your body fat. There is an initial period that is more strict if you want to jump-start things. Maintenance is easier.

For other guys who may be, um, suffering from an inability to resist calories, I have a buddy who was short and fat. I suggested New Atkins to him and he lost a boatload of fat. He also, at my suggestion, went to his doctor to get his bloodwork done and an exam. A lot of doctors deride Atkins-type diets but I don't think it's based on anything more than bad press. IIRC his doctor was not keen on the idea of that kind of diet, but conceded he was in perfect health and all his numbers were outstanding so keep doing what he's doing.

In my opinion, once you get where you want to be, one of the great things about the general principles in New Atkins is that you can eat great gourmet food, and lots of it, without feeling like your denying yourself. There's really no calorie counting at that point. You can get stuffed if you like from time to time and as long as you're eating the right things you're not going to gain weight. Which means, this is a diet you can live with for the rest of your life. Not some sort of binge-boomerang yo-yo diet that you can't possibly live with long term.

For the super lazy, just cut out potatoes, pasta, bread, rice, (starchy carbs), and sugared drinks, and try to focus on protein and vegetables and you'll probably lose weight like crazy.

I do agree, based on what I've read and experienced, with the idea that people are different. Genetics is where it's at. I'm not a young man anymore, and I have a spinal cord injury, but when I was I was younger I could live on donuts and starch (10,000 calories a day when active) and I was ripped and very muscular -- a classic mesomorph. But I've known people who can't put on bulk muscle no matter how much they work out. And I've known people who tried to get lean with low calorie diets and constant work outs and still couldn't avoid being pudgy. I'm sure different diets work differently for different people as well.

 
Feb 19, 2017
1,281
64
48
Rocky Mountains
#28
I have a a buddy who refers to his Palolithic-diet. Think hunter and gather. He doesn't eat bread/pizza, stays away from processed. I don't think his body type has changed since high school.
Less than 5% fat, more like 3%.

I think I tested around 6-7% in high school.

More like 10-12% now. Happy as a clam and still cold in shoulder seasons.

I think neanderthal, tomatoes/tamoto!
 
Last edited:
Nov 20, 2008
269
113
43
dirt nap
#29
Everyone seems to think carbs are the enemy but that's just not true. Your body needs carbs for energy to fuel your workouts and basic functions.
That statement is FALSE. Carbs are NOT an essential nutrient.

Your body can run on glucose or ketones. Carbs converts to glucose in the blood. Carbs are why there is an epidemic of diabetes.

Fat metabolizes to ketones. Your body can run fine on ketones and actually does better with distance activities, diving, and intellectual activities when running on ketones.

FYI, excess protein turns into glucose in the blood.

 
Nov 20, 2008
269
113
43
dirt nap
#30
I did the keto thing for a couple weeks (about 6)
Felt terrible
Zero energy

lost fat, however I got off because my labs were messed up. It seems to be common for a keto diet to greatly suppress your test levels while promoting estrogen
You were not fat adapted yet. It takes some people 2 weeks. It takes others 3 months. To get rid of the keto flu, drink more fluids and consume more salt.

As for the estrogen, were you eating tofu? Tofu will make your estrogen levels increase, and the estrogen will help you retain body fat. Some diet food, huh?
 

Rerun7

Furious George
Feb 18, 2017
572
61
28
Fayetteville, Arkansas
#31
That statement is FALSE. Carbs are NOT an essential nutrient.

Your body can run on glucose or ketones. Carbs converts to glucose in the blood. Carbs are why there is an epidemic of diabetes
Wrong, people's low will power, glutinous lifestyles, lack of knowledge and exercise is why there is an epidemic of diabetes.

You are correct, carbs are a non essential nutrient. I am simply saying that carbs aren't bad and your body is built to digest and use them as fuel. If you abuse them, like anything else in life they become bad.

FYI, too much fat and protein is bad for you too.

As I said earlier, if it's your thing then go for it but it's certainly not necessary to get good healthy results and some people are not going to do well with it.

For me? I'm having pizza tonight. And I'm pretty sure it's not going to give me diabetes. :cool:
 
Feb 16, 2017
446
1
18
West
#32
500 grains

no my diet consisted of meats and fats.
absolutely no tofu

I tried keto Keri just to try it, I've gotten much better results off carb cycling
 

The_Count

Found It....
Nov 13, 2012
468
55
28
Land of Spanish Moss
#34
Your body needs fuel to survive. You can get that fuel by way of carbs or fat. Once you quit the carbs, you have to eat fat. It takes about two weeks for your body to go into ketosis. Once that happens, you have to eat fat in order to generate energy. Those fats can come from animals or vegetables. Coconut oil, olive oil, butter.... etc. All of those will provide the energy you need. Low carb low fat is a recipe for feeling crappy.
 

Darthweezy

Full Member
Mar 29, 2017
168
3
18
DFW area
#36
I did keto while doing light workouts 3x a week and dropped nearly 40lbs. I've since gained 20lbs back (over a 2 year period). Looking back it was something that worked for me but wasn't anything sustainable very long term. I was very strict while i was on it for nearly 6 months and then just hopped off and went back to eating like i did before. I should have stuck with working out but stopped that as well. I used http://www.ibreatheimhungry.com/menu-plans-new which was good for me because it had meal plans and what to get from the store. Not something i would recommend long term though.
 
Jun 6, 2017
2
0
0
#39
Pharmascience Health Gainer for contains calories in bulk and Weight Gain

A Health Gainer is a Pharma science - the Indian Ayurveda product. It is basically a weight work additive product which generally comes in a powder form which contains calories in bulk. It is full of proteins, fats and carbohydrates which gives your body an ultimate improvement and a muscular growth.
For more visit
..............................................................
Health Gainer
 

jsthntn247

Gunny Sergeant
Feb 25, 2009
1,038
22
38
Mississippi
#40
Started Keto Feb 5th at 212 lbs 24% BF. I'm 179 with 12% BF right now. Started to have little energy during workouts about a month ago and the weight I could lift was going down fast. Started drinking a protein shake with 2 tablespoons of Mickey T MCT oil in it 45minutes before working out. Shit works, feel like I'm on steroids in there now. I've taken allot of stuff over the years and this is the only thing I can without a doubt say has helped that didn't come administered by a needle. Lost some weight initially the first month then it slowed down. 2 months I started doing HIIT workouts and weight loss has been consistent ever since.
 
Aug 18, 2013
15
1
3
#41
Guess I'll add my 2cents, right before Thanksgiving...


Not a fan of "diets”, I’ve always felt that the key to losing weight was understanding a simple math equation (I still do). calories consumed - calories burned = addition to / or subtraction of your weight. The Keto diet doesn’t replace the equation of weight loss, it just makes it easier to get on the subtraction part of the equation.

After being on it for over 6 months, I can see where this can be a game changer for many many people, especially for an aging dude like me. In my 40’s, always had been reasonably active, but have been on the addition side of the equation for a few years. Had gotten up to 225lbs on my 6’1” frame. I weighed in at 183 just before my elk hunt last month (no joy).
I’m leaner, and stronger than I’ve been in decades. I feel and look younger. My outlook on life is better, more positive. Think I’m overselling? I’m not. Try it. I’m not a doctor or scientist, But I am brutally objective, and skeptical about life, and I was about the keto diet. But it delivered. I guess I delivered using it…

How does it work? Not sure, there are many books on the how. But the result is you don’t feel a need to eat all the time, you don’t have to starve yourself. you don’t get the shakes. You don’t get hangrey, you don’t get the wild moves in your blood sugar that makes you feel lethargic after a big meal. You do get results fast because you are always burning fat, which starts a positive upward spiral…

But most importantly to me, even above the weight loss is you feel more in tune with your mental faculties. The brain works more efficiently because it has a better fuel. There is a clarity of thought, that you didn’t know you had anymore.

I’m a strong believer in finding what works for you, and that YMMV. I’m adding to this post for the guy/girl who finds themselves in a stupor on Friday, and are sick and tired of being sick and tired.

There are a few keys to success IMHO. Be committed. Get educated. Track your equation, your “in” and “out”. I downloaded the cronometer app, and love it. Every food imaginable is in it, but if you find one not in it, you can take a photo of the food bar code, and it will add it. I use 30 NET carbs to be under.

If you want to be slimmer, have a more positive outlook, and be mentally sharper, there is NO REASON not to try it. If it works for you, you will be a zealot like me. If It’s not for you, you’ve not lost anything.

In parting, two last pieces of advice. 1. The “carb flu” is real, but only lasts for a few days, you should start ketosis when it makes sense… not when the in-laws are over during the holidays, and 2. You cannot drink enough water. It’s cliched, but you can’t. I’ll drink 3-4 liters on a good workout day.
If you have any questions, just ask!
 
Likes: sdkidaho
Aug 26, 2005
89
0
6
45
Edgerton, Ohio
#42
I went on Keto sometime mid Sept, I was diagnosed with Diabetes and needed to do something. I've lost right at 40 pounds, and my A1C number went from 11.7 to 5.3, back into non Diabetic range. in 3 months. My wife is on it too, we don't really track anything thats probably why my weight loss has slowed up some. But it does work....
 

pmclaine

Gunny Sergeant
Nov 6, 2011
6,635
2,727
113
50
MA
#43
A co-worker started this recently.

I usually laugh at diet stuff because I have the belief that maintaining healthy weight is a function of exercise and controlled consumption.

When I looked into it though it made sense to me because of familiarity with a family members Type 1 diabetes.

Ketosis is a constant issue for Type 1s but especially so with a young child. When they get sick like most people they dont want to eat. If the sick child isnt eating carbs and getting injections of insulin they go into ketosis quick. Its one thing if you have some reserve fat to burn but low body fat kids resort to muscle burning when they are in ketosis and the ketones build fast quickly leading to ketoacidosis. My daughters blood sugar runs great at these times but than we are in another crisis mode trying to force any carbs we can in order to introduce insulin and prevent ketosis. She will drop weight, fast and its not a good weight loss in her case.

Now for a fat ass like me different story.

Im about three days in of switching from carbs to fat.

Im still researching it and unsure if it will work for me. I dont see myself becoming the guy that will be adding coconut oil to everything and drinking bone broth.

I do see myself cutting all sugar (black coffee now), cake, ice cream and junk carbs. Ill cut out and miss the 3-4 servings of fruit I generally eat daily - apples and bannanas gone.

Im replacing the fruit with nuts and low glycemic berries. Plain yogurt with fresh berries instead of the high carb pre flavored yogurt.

Breakfast is going from cereal to bacon (mmmmm bacon) and a couple boiled/fried eggs. Good bye breakfast sandwiches - no more grilled english muffins. Cheese gets added to everything.

Meals are going to be chicken/pork salted and peppered rather than in BBQ sauce, salmon, steak (loving the edge fat charred) and brocoli/brussels sprouts/cauliflower etc.

This has only became a concern after ten years of living with kids. Every meal right now includes pasta, mac and cheese, or jasmine rice, pizza, bread. Thats all gone now.

Typically Im a camel when it comes to water intake but right now Im pissing like a race horse and carrying a Nalgene bottle of aqua.

I get an hour of exercise 4-5 times a week as a rule. Nothing too strenuous mainly some core work with a couple of miles on a tread at a rather tame ten minute mile pace.

What say the Keto experts?

Setting myself up for failure/danger or likely to see some results?
 

man32ahan

Sergeant of the Hide
Feb 2, 2018
201
22
18
27
Fairfield, Illinois
#44
I’ve been doing the Keto diet for about three months. So far I’ve lost 24 pounds.
I did it because my family has a history of diabetes and other health issues.

I’m not strict on the diet, but I did cut carbs pretty much completely. I quit drinking soda, avoid cakes and sweets which was usually my go to, as well as other stuff.

I make sure I consume a ton of water too.

I feel better. Look better. And I’m never hungry like I was on other diets. The fats you are allowed to eat are really filling and give you energy for longer times unlike processed carbs.

You will get the Keto flu a few days in or so maybe a week. You will get through it though. You can google Keto flu if you’re not familiar with it.
 
Sep 16, 2017
146
50
28
El Campo, TX
#45
I have been on a “meat and vegetable” diet for 2 1/2 years and going strong. I never count calories. I don’t track macros, and I do not weigh or measure food. You should not either as it is not necessary. I lost 60lbs In 2016. Went from a 41 1/2” waist to 31” with a six pack in 5 months. Here is a post Iwrote over at akfiles a while back that I will share with you guys.

“I will sum it all up. For general fitness don't worry about what exercise you do. Just do something and do it most everyday. You need to sweat. Treadmill, weights, basketball, etc. if you arent sweating while weightlifting then quit resting and start moving. Diet for weightloss means eating three meals a day with no snacks in bewteen meals or after supper. NO SNACKS! Eat a diet almost entirely of meat and veggies. Starches and fruits in very small quantities. Drink unsweet beverages exclusively. Drink alcohol rarely. If you feel full during or after any meal then you ate too much in that sitting. Adjust as necessary. If you never feel hunger (slight not severe) at somepoint during the day then you are overeating.

Don't overcomplicate this. Do what I wrote above and don't deviate. Results are gauranteed and they will be dramatic. Lie to yourself at anytime during the process and you will fail.”
 
Last edited:
Sep 16, 2017
146
50
28
El Campo, TX
#46
I’ve been doing the Keto diet for about three months. So far I’ve lost 24 pounds.
I did it because my family has a history of diabetes and other health issues.

I’m not strict on the diet, but I did cut carbs pretty much completely. I quit drinking soda, avoid cakes and sweets which was usually my go to, as well as other stuff.

I make sure I consume a ton of water too.

I feel better. Look better. And I’m never hungry like I was on other diets. The fats you are allowed to eat are really filling and give you energy for longer times unlike processed carbs.

You will get the Keto flu a few days in or so maybe a week. You will get through it though. You can google Keto flu if you’re not familiar with it.
Not everyone will deal with the negatives of starting a ketogenic diet. Neither myself or my wife ever experienced these negative symptoms.
 
Likes: man32ahan

man32ahan

Sergeant of the Hide
Feb 2, 2018
201
22
18
27
Fairfield, Illinois
#47
Not everyone will deal with the negatives of starting a ketogenic diet. Neither myself or my wife ever experienced these negative symptoms.
I totally agree with you sir. But, I believe the more carb dependent your diet is the more likely you will be to experience Keto flu. As I mentioned, I ate a lot of sweets, alcohol and sodas. So my change going all carbs to less than 20 grams carbs a day was what sent me into Keto flu for a day or two.

But I do know some never experience it. My wife didn’t.
 
Sep 16, 2017
146
50
28
El Campo, TX
#48
I totally agree with you sir. But, I believe the more carb dependent your diet is the more likely you will be to experience Keto flu. As I mentioned, I ate a lot of sweets, alcohol and sodas. So my change going all carbs to less than 20 grams carbs a day was what sent me into Keto flu for a day or two.

But I do know some never experience it. My wife didn’t.
i’m glad you made the change and are on the right track. I have no desire to go back to my old habits and wish you the same.
 
Likes: man32ahan
Top Bottom