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The ones that I thinking about that might still be hanging out belong to units that COTS purchased them while the PSR downselects we're going on. I don't think JOS wharehouse has them if that's what you're referring to. There are also a very small number of them made for a proof of concept for the CSR. They are rare and still hanging out. Likely long shot out. Not like they shot well new...

The dudes you saw at the match we're likely training for USASOC Sniper Comp.
 
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Other than that my perception of the PSR was that Blaser had the whole caliber / barrel interchangeability thing down from the beginning (pre PSR contract) and other companies knew SIG would try and leverage that so many other companies had to follow suit.
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NOT that it has any bearing on the ASR but in regards to the PSR you mentioning with the Blaser....
There were several issues with the Blaser.
1. It did not hold the vertical accuracy requirements at 1500.
2. They (Blaser) through a huge temper tantrum (Mainly due to that prototype stock you mentioned) when revision came out that each manufacturer was to supply their own firing fixture. So much of a tantrum that it pretty much X'ed them off the entire solicitation.

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Still confused if the m10 was a close second why even have another run off.
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More than likely because (IIRC) the M10 was never tested during the PSR solicitation with the 300NM and 338NM as the ASR requirements because the PSR requirements were more about the 300WM and 338LM instead of the NM's.

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The more I read this thread the more I find myself looking at rifles at MHSA and Eurooptic I can't afford right now.
Lol!
Your not alone.

Some of the stuff they did to the ASR is making my pants tight.

Offset ergo grip to make it more vertical,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,me likey!
 

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The more I read this thread the more I find myself looking at rifles at MHSA and Eurooptic I can't afford right now.
Years ago when I bought my AXMC, I was getting hot for the Sako as well. I was pretty certain i was gonna like it. Wish they’d just pull their heads out and offer the barrel extensions easily.
 

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I currently have Shilen 2-6oz. competition trigger (I have it set to 6oz) in my Mk13 Mod5 build and have done everything shy of run it over and have yet to have the trigger go off unintentionally. I've buttstroked walls and dropped it all over the place. Nothing.
 

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I currently have Shilen 2-6oz. competition trigger (I have it set to 6oz) in my Mk13 Mod5 build and have done everything shy of run it over and have yet to have the trigger go off unintentionally. I've buttstroked walls and dropped it all over the place. Nothing.
What’s this have to do with anything?
 

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What are you talking about? You were the one saying they need to drop rifles with upgraded triggers from shoulder height or hit them with hammers to make sure they don't go off, now I'm telling you there a 2-6oz. option that passes your stipulations.
 
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The issue I heard from the test was, an AI trigger went down, which handed the contract to Barrett.

The first one should have gone to AI over Remington, and the issues with Remington became apparent after the fact.

I don't want to sound like I am pointing fingers more like filling in the blanks and thinking out loud, but to have an AI trigger go down something out of the ordinary had to happen. They do have a US Company making the Competition trigger and I am not sure if that was the trigger included or the original AI trigger. I have feeling, and again, one I did not explore with AI, that this small change resulted in the problem reported.

A lot more of the AI line is made here in the US, this was designed to help with certain contracts. AI is already used by different units and their parts are used by the likes of Crane on the Mk13s, etc. It's not like they are not in the system, but the country of origin has an effect.

Barrett will do fine, the only issue with the MRAD was the lack of support on the civilian side and it really just sat dormant for years, but now it has a contract I am sure they will ramp up production on the support parts and pieces of the system.
Any word if it was the AI competition trigger or if it was the new AXSR trigger?
 

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From the video sounds like a standard AI trigger tuned to 2.5#
Could have swore @NoLegs24 and I talked about this already in another thread that it was exactly a comp trigger but could very well be wrong...I just had twins and am more sleep deprived now than I ever was in the army lol. I must be mistaken I can't find where I thought it was mentioned
 
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It was a variant of the competition trigger... not the exact same. Can't make a comparison really - stuff gets worked over a massaged generously versus an off-the-shelf unit.
The 3 off the shelf comp triggers I’ve owned and all failed repeatedly says that you can definitely compare them. 😎
 

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Damn! You'd have 3 go tits up? Pretty harsh condition use or not so much?
Nothing I haven’t put my factory AI, hubers, and triggertechs through. I’m pretty rough on my gear, but not to the point it’s abusive.

None of the 3 triggers made it past 500rnds. One of them the only thing I did was take the first stage adjustment out to make it a single stage (verified with manufacturer/designer this was proper way).

2 of the 3 were sent back to the manufacturer/designer/owner who personally adjusted them on their in house jig. Both failed immediately upon return in two different rifles (swapped bolts, rifles, triggers, you name it), without me doing any adjustments of my own.

On top of that, I’ve known of at least 5 (I believe more, but I can recall 5) other AI owners who also had failures with the comp trigger and went back to factory triggers.

I’ve heard of many people having zero issues and that’s awesome. But for me, when the guy who designed/manufactures them can’t adjust even 1 out of 2 I send in to not fail immediately, it’s not worth it for me.
 

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Nothing I haven’t put my factory AI, hubers, and triggertechs through. I’m pretty rough on my gear, but not to the point it’s abusive.

None of the 3 triggers made it past 500rnds. One of them the only thing I did was take the first stage adjustment out to make it a single stage (verified with manufacturer/designer this was proper way).

2 of the 3 were sent back to the manufacturer/designer/owner who personally adjusted them on their in house jig. Both failed immediately upon return in two different rifles (swapped bolts, rifles, triggers, you name it), without me doing any adjustments of my own.

On top of that, I’ve known of at least 5 (I believe more, but I can recall 5) other AI owners who also had failures with the comp trigger and went back to factory triggers.

I’ve heard of many people having zero issues and that’s awesome. But for me, when the guy who designed/manufactures them can’t adjust even 1 out of 2 I send in to not fail immediately, it’s not worth it for me.
Oh yeah, understandable there. I've got about 600 or so on one of them and it's holding together at the moment. Been keeping an eye on it for signs different than normal. I never had any particular negative experience with the factory triggers myself so going back to them on a few of my AI's wouldn't be a problem if the time comes. Sucks though. CG-X has made/co-developed some solid products in the past.
 

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Oh yeah, understandable there. I've got about 600 or so on one of them and it's holding together at the moment. Been keeping an eye on it for signs different than normal. I never had any particular negative experience with the factory triggers myself so going back to them on a few of my AI's wouldn't be a problem if the time comes. Sucks though. CG-X has made/co-developed some solid products in the past.
600 may sound like a lot, mine took a shit after 700-800. Old trigger has well over 6000, now closer to 8000 with 223 conversion and 300wsm after testing days. Hell my 223 had 600 after 1 week. All the south Texas guys dumped them. They all failed, I know people say “mine lasted forever”. Well apparently our dirt ruins those fancy triggers. Yet all the guys factory triggers are doing just fine. There was at one point 12-15 triggers in the group...then fire sales started popping up.

as for CG-X...Mod 22 broke the seat after 500rds of the ever brutal 22LR...in my Vudoo, to much power 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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600 may sound like a lot, mine took a shit after 700-800. Old trigger has well over 6000, now closer to 8000 with 223 conversion and 300wsm after testing days. Hell my 223 had 600 after 1 week. All the south Texas guys dumped them. They all failed, I know people say “mine lasted forever”. Well apparently our dirt ruins those fancy triggers. Yet all the guys factory triggers are doing just fine. There was at one point 12-15 triggers in the group...then fire sales started popping up.

as for CG-X...Mod 22 broke the seat after 500rds of the ever brutal 22LR...in my Vudoo, to much power 🤷🏻‍♂️
Glad you brought up the mod 22. Everyone loves them and I’m sure when they are set at the 3.5 (or whatever it is) the .mil contract requires them, they run fine. I also had a couple (also set up by owner). They didn’t totally fail, but they didn’t run as well as other reputable triggers.

Thus far, durability wise, the AI factory and triggertech diamond have been the most reliable for me. Of course any brand will have failures, but I rarely hear of either going down.
 
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Nothing I haven’t put my factory AI, hubers, and triggertechs through. I’m pretty rough on my gear, but not to the point it’s abusive.

None of the 3 triggers made it past 500rnds. One of them the only thing I did was take the first stage adjustment out to make it a single stage (verified with manufacturer/designer this was proper way).

2 of the 3 were sent back to the manufacturer/designer/owner who personally adjusted them on their in house jig. Both failed immediately upon return in two different rifles (swapped bolts, rifles, triggers, you name it), without me doing any adjustments of my own.

On top of that, I’ve known of at least 5 (I believe more, but I can recall 5) other AI owners who also had failures with the comp trigger and went back to factory triggers.

I’ve heard of many people having zero issues and that’s awesome. But for me, when the guy who designed/manufactures them can’t adjust even 1 out of 2 I send in to not fail immediately, it’s not worth it for me.
You can count me among those who've gone back to the factory trigger. I primarily went with the comp trigger so I could have a single stage, but when set up that way, I don't trust the reliability. The factory trigger OTOH has been bombproof.
 

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So as a kind of summary, where is this at in the testing/decision phase? I posted on this when it came out over a year ago, but was offline for about a month...twice, and didn't want to have to go back and re-read everything.

As an aside, on the most recent discussion in this thread about triggers, I can't understand when someone charges top dollar for a trigger and it goes down. I would have expected the mating faces on a trigger to be hardened and polished for the prices one pays these days for a replacement trigger. That's one reason the military will ALWAYS mandate a higher poundage on triggers for anything military use.

For the record, I've never had a trigger go down. I realize that in some competitions the urge to lighten and smoothe a trigger leads to near benchrest levels of setting them. That won't work so well in a field environment. Just the nature of mechanical function.
 

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So as a kind of summary, where is this at in the testing/decision phase? I posted on this when it came out over a year ago, but was offline for about a month...twice, and didn't want to have to go back and re-read everything.

As an aside, on the most recent discussion in this thread about triggers, I can't understand when someone charges top dollar for a trigger and it goes down. I would have expected the mating faces on a trigger to be hardened and polished for the prices one pays these days for a replacement trigger. That's one reason the military will ALWAYS mandate a higher poundage on triggers for anything military use.

For the record, I've never had a trigger go down. I realize that in some competitions the urge to lighten and smoothe a trigger leads to near benchrest levels of setting them. That won't work so well in a field environment. Just the nature of mechanical function.
The Barrett MRAD won the solicitation
 

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The Barrett MRAD won the solicitation
Thanks....I thought while I waited for an answer that maybe I should go back and do some due diligence and read the thread. I saw that on page five back in March. D'oh!

For some dumb reason, I stopped getting alerts on this thread. I get 'em on others.

In any case, what is the consensus so far on the MRAD?
 

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Thanks....I thought while I waited for an answer that maybe I should go back and do some due diligence and read the thread. I saw that on page five back in March. D'oh!

For some dumb reason, I stopped getting alerts on this thread. I get 'em on others.

In any case, what is the consensus so far on the MRAD?
The consensus of those of us that have them, is that we are pretty happy. The biggest beef is the inability to get the barrel extensions separately, but least one guy has a 3rd party barrel, he just needed to find a donor barrel/extension to make it happen.
 
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Thanks....I thought while I waited for an answer that maybe I should go back and do some due diligence and read the thread. I saw that on page five back in March. D'oh!

For some dumb reason, I stopped getting alerts on this thread. I get 'em on others.

In any case, what is the consensus so far on the MRAD?
Haven't heard anything particularly bad about them functionality-wise. I've been behind one myself and wasn't a big fan of the buttstock ergonomics, but everyone's going to be partial about that.

AI should have won that contract (I'm biased of course)!
 

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those of us that have them, are pretty happy. the biggest beef is the inability to get the barrel extension separately. At least one guy has a 3rd party barrel, he just needed to find a donor barrel/extension to make it happen.
How many cartridges are you running in yours? Is accuracy good in what you have that can change out? If no change out then no difference.

Haven't heard anything particularly bad about them functionality-wise. I've been behind one myself and wasn't a big fan of the buttstock ergonomics, but everyone's going to be partial about that.

AI should have won that contract (I'm biased of course)!
Did they ever get the trigger issue solved? It seems a bit hard for me to believe that many triggers went down. UNLESS, of course, people are running bench level triggers in comps that require movement and slamming and banging around.
 

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Did they ever get the trigger issue solved? It seems a bit hard for me to believe that many triggers went down. UNLESS, of course, people are running bench level triggers in comps that require movement and slamming and banging around.
Not with the competition triggers. Evidently there are still some random issues with those.

The AXSR itself will truthfully answer this concern I believe, once it's been out and gets put through a few paces in different scenarios. Texas baby-powder caliche is a good test all in itself!
 
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Another dumb question on this thread. It seems this contract is for SOCOM? What about the rest of the M2010's the Army had converted. Meaning what sniper rifle is going forward for the rest of the regular Army?
 

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Another dumb question on this thread. It seems this contract is for SOCOM? What about the rest of the M2010's the Army had converted. Meaning what sniper rifle is going forward for the rest of the regular Army?
I thought it was the m2010 and the g28/ m110a1 was replacing all the m110s and m14ebrs but I have been out a few years now
 
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Do you know of any time that has ever happened lolol?

They will continue to "revise" the requirements, specifically the delivery quantity and delivery timelines until only SIG SAUER is able to meet those requirements.

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I tightened that up a little for you to achieve clarity.
 

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Another dumb question on this thread. It seems this contract is for SOCOM? What about the rest of the M2010's the Army had converted. Meaning what sniper rifle is going forward for the rest of the regular Army?
As far as I have heard they will remain with the M2010 and M24 (gradually being phased out) systems primarily. They have started to field the M110A1 DMR, obviously for that role alone.

Honorable mention to the M107 as well - that's not going anywhere...
 
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How many cartridges are you running in yours? Is accuracy good in what you have that can change out? If no change out then no difference.
So I have 3 caliber kits. there is a POI shift between them (IE my 308 barrel does not have the same POI as my 338LM barrel), but thepoi shift with each barrel is within 1-2 scope clicks when I put it back in. So I may have to dial 7-10 clicks switching between kits, but when I go back to a barrel it's POI will be damn close to it's "old" poi

I thought it was the m2010 and the g28/ m110a1 was replacing all the m110s and m14ebrs but I have been out a few years now
I thought I read the military had killed the m2010 procurement with only a fraction delivered.
 

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So I have 3 caliber kits. there is a POI shift between them (IE my 308 barrel does not have the same POI as my 338LM barrel), but thepoi shift with each barrel is within 1-2 scope clicks when I put it back in. So I may have to dial 7-10 clicks switching between kits, but when I go back to a barrel it's POI will be damn close to it's "old" poi


I thought I read the military had killed the m2010 procurement with only a fraction delivered.
Pretty sure they delivered all 2500ish as requested in the initial order.
 

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Pretty sure they delivered all 2500ish as requested in the initial order.
I'm going from memory, but I thought I read that it went belly up because remington showed up to the trials will one rifle (which won), then tried to deliver one with a subpar barrel *shrug* . There was a thread with links to government website showing open orders, cancelled orders, all sorts of crap that was far above my level of comprehension. I know when I've tried to google it, I came up dry but it was on here somewhere. Give it some time, and someone with first hand knowledge will probably show up to explain what happened with the remington, they'll either confirm what I remember, or tell me I'm full of shit,
 

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I'm going from memory, but I thought I read that it went belly up because remington showed up to the trials will one rifle (which won), then tried to deliver one with a subpar barrel *shrug* . There was a thread with links to government website showing open orders, cancelled orders, all sorts of crap that was far above my level of comprehension. I know when I've tried to google it, I came up dry but it was on here somewhere. Give it some time, and someone with first hand knowledge will probably show up to explain what happened with the remington, they'll either confirm what I remember, or tell me I'm full of shit,
That very well could be why they didn't order anymore but as far as I know there is no replacement for what they have currently bought. The 2010, m24, and m110a1 are the current Army long rifle line up with no open bids to replace any of the above. Could be wrong
 

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I'm going from memory, but I thought I read that it went belly up because remington showed up to the trials will one rifle (which won), then tried to deliver one with a subpar barrel *shrug* . There was a thread with links to government website showing open orders, cancelled orders, all sorts of crap that was far above my level of comprehension. I know when I've tried to google it, I came up dry but it was on here somewhere. Give it some time, and someone with first hand knowledge will probably show up to explain what happened with the remington, they'll either confirm what I remember, or tell me I'm full of shit,
Not the first time any of us has been told that ;) Just take it in stride, you know what you know. And, no matter how hard someone tries to shove some bullschitt down your throat, you not only don't have to swallow it, you don't even have to taste it. Call it out, and leave it. 😁

FWIW, going back to the original Marine 700's/M40 (even the Win 70's) the barrels were aftermarket (Douglass, who button rifles). On subsequent sub-models they still used aftermarket barrels. When Remington got the M24, they insisted on using their barrels. That didn't work because: a.) no one took the care and precision the Marine PWS did cutting and installing them, and: b.) their barrels are NOT up to par with just about ANY aftermarket barrel. Hammer forged barrels simply are not that acccurate, I don't care what anyone says. Too many stresses induced into the barrel by the manufacturing process.

So, it doesn't surprise me that the Remingtons aren't up to snuff. They've told themselves so many times that a hammer-forged barrel is superior, that they actually believe it. Yet, they show up with a custom barrel to look good. No bueno!!:mad:
 

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I'm going from memory, but I thought I read that it went belly up because remington showed up to the trials will one rifle (which won), then tried to deliver one with a subpar barrel *shrug* . There was a thread with links to government website showing open orders, cancelled orders, all sorts of crap that was far above my level of comprehension. I know when I've tried to google it, I came up dry but it was on here somewhere. Give it some time, and someone with first hand knowledge will probably show up to explain what happened with the remington, they'll either confirm what I remember, or tell me I'm full of shit,
You are thinking about the Remington MSR/PSR (MK21). That is the SOCOM weapon system that the MRAD replaced (also adopted the MK21 designation). The M2010 remained untouched during the asshattery.

Here's my thread about that whole debacle.

 
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So the xm2010 is for big green. The psr was for socom. Remington won the psr contract with a bartlein barrel. They switched to an in house barrel to save money and the delivered test lots didn’t meet accuracy specs. Socom canceled the psr. In the mean time sof has been using the xm2010. Socom resolicited for the asr advanced sniper rifle which barret won.
 
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You are thinking about the Remington MSR/PSR (MK21). That is the SOCOM weapon system that the MRAD replaced (also adopted the MK21 designation). The M2010 remained untouched during the asshattery.

Here's my thread about that whole debacle.

There we go, confirmation I'm full of shit... I was close, but I was wrong lol
 
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It's all good until you've got a hundred cans of 7.62 and no way to use it because someone lost the 12mm bolt head....just sayin.

I would agree though, that from what I've heard over the years, this contract is a huge thing money-wise. Supporting it in the field is another. Scopes go down, no replacement. A stupid thing like a replaceable bolt head doesn't happen because it went into someones pocket instead of back in the case. Or, it fell out of the case. I can see swapping calibers at a firebase, but not out in the field. Too easy to get too much lost.

Back to the scopes, we've got thousands invested in this, yet I hear from guys it's a total rundown of what you can't do with the rifle when it's issued to a new shooter because the scope won't adjust anymore. This is before we even throw all that electronic night vision crap on there.

One last parting shot on Remington, it's time they figure out that hammer forged barrels are not the best choice for accuracy. They act like it still is. It leaves too many stresses in the barrel that show up when it gets hot. Cut-rifled would be preferable, but they are slow to make. The best "production" barrel for holding accuracy is button rifled. You can make them fast and they are accurate. They hold it well over time as the work done to the metal hardens the inside of the barrel. We could go further with that and use industrial hardening techniques like meloniting. Seems like we can do it out here in the civilian world but not the military.



As to the 6.5 Creed, I could give a fuck about PRS. That round kills just fine. And it can do it a lot farther out than the 7.62. It also weighs less than a standard M80 and substantially less than M118. People get all enamored with "magnum power", while totally disregarding bullet efficiency. Stupidest thing I've ever seen is a single barrel magnum machine gun. Some fuckweed in the pentagon has obviously never shot a machine gun much and doesn't know that even with 7.62 you have to change barrels a lot. Absolutely retarded going to .300NM for a machine gun. Watch 'em break left and right in the field.
Not sure if its been mentioned, but from what I read, the Rem MSR barrels WERE nitrided..
 

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Not sure if its been mentioned, but from what I read, the Rem MSR barrels WERE nitrided..
Nitriding helps them last. It doesn't hurt the intended accuracy. The problem is the change in POI that Remington barrels are known for.
It has more to do with how well they normalize the barrel after manufacturing it. Correctly done, the stresses are relieved. Too often the timelines of the contract get companies to worry more about that than normalizing correctly. The nitriding process is not a deep heating process intended to alleviate stresses.
 

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Nitriding helps them last. It doesn't hurt the intended accuracy. The problem is the change in POI that Remington barrels are known for.
It has more to do with how well they normalize the barrel after manufacturing it. Correctly done, the stresses are relieved. Too often the timelines of the contract get companies to worry more about that than normalizing correctly. The nitriding process is not a deep heating process intended to alleviate stresses.
I was simply saying from everything I know, the MSR barrels were nitrided. No doubt tho, Remington has absolutely ruined their once good reputation. Damn shame.. and its dumb they didn't stick with Bartlein cause the test rifles had Barts on em.
On a similar note, whats the cutoff year you'd consider a Remington factory/unmodded rifle to be GTG as long as its made before/during that particular year? I gotta R700 from '63 in .222 thats excellent.
 
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