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Buying New AL, What Color?
I'm about the pull the trigger on a Accuracy International AXMC in .338 Lapua, but having a hard time deciding on a final color.

I initially was set on black, which is the color of my SIG SSG (below), but am am thinking about the "Dark Earth", or even the Sage Green.
But the optic, NightForce ATACR 7-35 is black, as is the scope mount, which might drive me crazy.
Speaking of which, what's the preferred scope mount/height for this combo?

Any pros or cons going with the Dark Earth, or Black color? Or even the traditional AI Sage Green?

Feedback appreciated, as are photos.

Thanks,
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Buying New AL, What Color?
I'm about the pull the trigger on a Accuracy International AXMC in .338 Lapua, but having a hard time deciding on a final color.

I initially was set on black, which is the color of my SIG SSG (below), but am am thinking about the "Dark Earth", or even the Sage Green.
But the optic, NightForce ATACR 7-35 is black, as is the scope mount, which might drive me crazy.
Speaking of which, what's the preferred scope mount/height for this combo?

Any pros or cons going with the Dark Earth, or Black color? Or even the traditional AI Sage Green?

Feedback appreciated, as are photos.

Thanks,
Bruce
Went through this process just a week ago. . . ultimately decided on Dark Earth. Only downside is that you can't purchase any accessories (mags/barrels, specifically) in Dark Earth. I'm pretty sure that this is the case with the sage and for sure is the case with Elite colors as well.

I thought about the elite, but decided against it for two reasons: 1) It required a wait. 2) It sort of looks like it can't decide what color it is. This is completely subjective, of course. I wasn't "in love" with Dark Earth, but I have no regrets about picking it, except for the lack of color-matched accessories.

This is mine below (sorry for the poor lighting). The S&B is NOT a color match, btw.

Edit to Add: The scope rings are this: Nightforce Ring Set - 1.375 X-High - 34mm - Ultralite, 6 Bolt, Black, 1.375 A214
NF-RR-RNGST-A214

They get as close to the top rail as you can get, basically (the photo makes it look like there is more room than there actually is). In choosing rings vs/ unimount (i.e. Spuhr), one thing that isn't often mentioned is what you might want to do with the other "rail estate" (TM). I run two levels (one on the scope and one on the rail, and a badger cosine indicator (not shown). I'm glad I went with rings. YMMV.

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My dealer assures me Mags/barrels in Elite sand are available from manufacture, I'll find out a month or so when the rifle I ordered arrives.
 
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Hi all,
Save a seat at the AI fanboy table for me, I have ordered my, apparently tacticool, all black AT. Now if only I was as cool as the rifle😁
For the AT, Black is where it's at! Congratulations.
My dealer assures me Mags/barrels in Elite sand are available from manufacture, I'll find out a month or so when the rifle I ordered arrives.
So, we can order the mags straight from AI? My guess is that Eurooptic and Mile HIgh wouldn't be too keen on that . . . but I may suppose too much. I'd very much appreciate being pointed to where I can order Dark Earth SA 10-Round Mags.
 

Monk Medic

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Went through this process just a week ago. . . ultimately decided on Dark Earth. Only downside is that you can't purchase any accessories (mags/barrels, specifically) in Dark Earth. I'm pretty sure that this is the case with the sage and for sure is the case with Elite colors as well.

I thought about the elite, but decided against it for two reasons: 1) It required a wait. 2) It sort of looks like it can't decide what color it is. This is completely subjective, of course. I wasn't "in love" with Dark Earth, but I have no regrets about picking it, except for the lack of color-matched accessories.

This is mine below (sorry for the poor lighting). The S&B is NOT a color match, btw.

Edit to Add: The scope rings are this: Nightforce Ring Set - 1.375 X-High - 34mm - Ultralite, 6 Bolt, Black, 1.375 A214
NF-RR-RNGST-A214

They get as close to the top rail as you can get, basically (the photo makes it look like there is more room than there actually is). In choosing rings vs/ unimount (i.e. Spuhr), one thing that isn't often mentioned is what you might want to do with the other "rail estate" (TM). I run two levels (one on the scope and one on the rail, and a badger cosine indicator (not shown). I'm glad I went with rings. YMMV.

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Rockne and others -
So glad to see the follow up on this!
I had made the vote for the Dark Earth as well, all my other bolt guns being black. But that color looks decidedly less "butterscotch" than the Dark Earth photos I've seen. I'm still not 100% settled with the choice of Dark Earth over the traditional black, esp so when my scope mounts, scope and other bits (bipod) are going to be black.

Here's what I had speced out so far, would love to hear thoughts on feedback on these choices, BEFORE I send the order in.

- AI AXMC .338 Lapua, 27" barrel, in Dark Earth (or Black)
- Nightforce ATACR 7-35x56 F1 with the Mil-C reticle, but also considering Tremor 3 reticle as well
- Spuhr Mount, 1.5" with no MOA inclination

Questions:
1) Color, any advantage one over another, seems the mags and barrels are primary concern. I'm a little less than thrilled on the black mount and optic on the brown gun. Why is brown the rage now?

2) Nightforce Optic, I've running NF on all my other bolt guns, so like that, but talk to me about that Mil-C vs Tremor 3 reticle?

3) Spuhr Mount vs rings, I've been running the NightForce Ultralight rings on all my .308 bolt guns (pictured here), is there really a difference with the Spuhr? Or how about the ERA-Tac, that mount has been tossed up for discussion as well.

4) Looks like Mile High and Eurooptic are two choices, both quotes the same, pros/cons with either? I'm currently on the east coast.

Thanks all, appreciate your feedback and wise words. IMG_1085.jpg
 
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For the AT, Black is where it's at! Congratulations.


So, we can order the mags straight from AI? My guess is that Eurooptic and Mile HIgh wouldn't be too keen on that . . . but I may suppose too much. I'd very much appreciate being pointed to where I can order Dark Earth SA 10-Round Mags.

I am a Canadian, our AI dealer is Wolverine Supplies, maybe they can give you some directions.
 
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Rockne and others -
So glad to see the follow up on this!
I had made the vote for the Dark Earth as well, all my other bolt guns being black. But that color looks decidedly less "butterscotch" than the Dark Earth photos I've seen. I'm still not 100% settled with the choice of Dark Earth over the traditional black, esp so when my scope mounts, scope and other bits (bipod) are going to be black.

Here's what I had speced out so far, would love to hear thoughts on feedback on these choices, BEFORE I send the order in.

- AI AXMC .338 Lapua, 27" barrel, in Dark Earth (or Black)
- Nightforce ATACR 7-35x56 F1 with the Mil-C reticle, but also considering Tremor 3 reticle as well
- Spuhr Mount, 1.5" with no MOA inclination

Questions:
1) Color, any advantage one over another, seems the mags and barrels are primary concern. I'm a little less than thrilled on the black mount and optic on the brown gun. Why is brown the rage now?

2) Nightforce Optic, I've running NF on all my other bolt guns, so like that, but talk to me about that Mil-C vs Tremor 3 reticle?

3) Spuhr Mount vs rings, I've been running the NightForce Ultralight rings on all my .308 bolt guns (pictured here), is there really a difference with the Spuhr? Or how about the ERA-Tac, that mount has been tossed up for discussion as well.

4) Looks like Mile High and Eurooptic are two choices, both quotes the same, pros/cons with either? I'm currently on the east coast.

Thanks all, appreciate your feedback and wise words. View attachment 6875064
I am using the Era-Tac adjustable mount on a few rifles and am very happy with the build quality. I haven't tried a Spuhr yet, but a 20MOA mount is on my list for my next rifle. I don't know how far you plan to stretch that 338 out, but the 5-25 has 20MOA more adjustment than the 7-35. That rifle has a 30 MOA rail and I personally would run an additional 30 with the era-tac adjustable mount and should be good a little past 2000 meters with a 100 meter zero. Euro Optic is top notch, I would give them a call.
 
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4) Looks like Mile High and Eurooptic are two choices, both quotes the same, pros/cons with either? I'm currently on the east coast.
If you’ve called and gotten the same price from either place, then EuroOptic is in PA which makes east coast delivery fast. I had my AX in hand the next day after payment as it shipped the same afternoon I paid.
 

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I don't know how far you plan to stretch that 338 out, but the 5-25 has 20MOA more adjustment than the 7-35. That rifle has a 30 MOA rail and I personally would run an additional 30 with the era-tac adjustable mount and should be good a little past 2000 meters with a 100 meter zero.

The 7-35 has about 120 moa in reality. The NF spec sheet really understates the value. I have had two 7-35 and both have about 120 moa. I currently have one on my AXMC with a 0 moa mount and 28 mils of elevation.

OP the 7-35 is my favorite optic. I think it would do excellent for you.
 
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Hey can anyone tell me what the minimum length of pull is for the AIAT. Wild thoughts about buying one over a Mausingfield/PVA/KRG Bravo.

Need a 12.5/13” LOP at minimum to fit my body. I can get used to a heavy rifle, and possibly one thats made in England, but can’t make myself fit a 13.5”+ LOP.
 

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Carlm338, so does your 6.5 prc feed 100 percent in the AXMC? I know myself and others have wondered about this. It would be nice to hear first hand experience with it.
 

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Hey can anyone tell me what the minimum length of pull is for the AIAT. Wild thoughts about buying one over a Mausingfield/PVA/KRG Bravo.

Need a 12.5/13” LOP at minimum to fit my body. I can get used to a heavy rifle, and possibly one thats made in England, but can’t make myself fit a 13.5”+ LOP.
PB mine is stock and the length of pull is 13.5" and it's adjustable by adding or removing spacers so I'm sure you can get where you need to be. Now, no excuse not to buy one! ;)
 
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I have a riddle for the experts: I was going to put my Badger Ordnance cosine indicator on my AX today, and it wasn't even close to fitting on the optics rail. It went on fine on the handguard rail, but not even close on the optics rail. Upon closer inspection, there's a significant difference in the "sharpness" of the angles formed by the 1913 rail. There are actually flat areas on the optics rail, but not on the handguard rail. I attempted to capture this in the picture below. It looks to me like the machining wasn't completed. FWIW, the Badger Cosine indicator fits just fine on my various other rails (Sako, Barrett, B&t among them).
 

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I see it and it's the same on a lot of AR-15 handguard rails.
A lot of "out of spec" AR-15 handguard rails? If the Badger indicator fits over twenty other rails that I have, would the logical conclusion be that the Accuracy International optics rail is out of spec? Especially since the indicator fits over the AI handguard rail?
 
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A lot of "out of spec" AR-15 handguard rails? If the Badger indicator fits over twenty other rails that I have, would the logical conclusion be that the Accuracy International optics rail is out of spec? Especially since the indicator fits over the AI handguard rail?
So, spoke to the retailer who was supposed to call me back to discuss whether I should shoot it (brand new and never been shot) or wait for it to be fixed. They didn't call me back, so I'm going to send back the rifle.

Here's what I've learned about manufacturing: if one thing is off, there's an overwhelming likelihood that something else is off. I'm not willing to chance that with a $7,000 rifle.

Consider me extremely disappointed with Accuracy International. So much for being the best....or even adequate.
 

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So, spoke to the retailer who was supposed to call me back to discuss whether I should shoot it (brand new and never been shot) or wait for it to be fixed. They didn't call me back, so I'm going to send back the rifle.

Here's what I've learned about manufacturing: if one thing is off, there's an overwhelming likelihood that something else is off. I'm not willing to chance that with a $7,000 rifle.

Consider me extremely disappointed with Accuracy International. So much for being the best....or even adequate.
I see the mis-match in the rails you identified in the photo. I immediately checked my rifle (just received delivery a week ago), to compare. Mine does not have that condition.

I think you’re correct and the rifle should be returned for warranty repair or replacement. I would hope a direct replacement would be offered by the dealer.

Good luck on whatever you choose to do.
 
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@Badfinger

I appreciate it, now I just have to decide between the AT and a Mausingfield. Both are stupid reliable, accurate, and basically the same with a MHSA LE discount. I do worry at times about the reliability of a CG Extreme 700 trigger over the AI trigger.

Decisions suck!
 

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Noticed same thing yesterday on a couple of accessory rails. Probably worth taking this out of the AI picture thread and to it's own discussion.
 
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Unless you blueprint both the rail and the accessory that doesn't fit that rail and compare the dimensions to industry standard specifications, you can't say which product is out of spec. It's possible that the AI rail is within spec even though you've found one accessory that doesn't interface properly with it, regardless of whether that accessory fits on other manufacturer's rails.
 
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Unless you blueprint both the rail and the accessory that doesn't fit that rail and compare the dimensions to industry standard specifications, you can't say which product is out of spec. It's possible that the AI rail is within spec even though you've found one accessory that doesn't interface properly with it, regardless of whether that accessory fits on other manufacturer's rails.
What you say may be true, but it's not just "one accessory". See the attached photo of an Aimpoint T2 on a Larue mount. That is as far as it will close. I'm aware that the Larues are adjustable, but given that that Aimpoint is set for a KAC SR-15, the amount of adjustment that would be required to get that to close would be significant, and I'm not sure that it would even have the necessary range of adjustment.

Is this the first picture on this thread (or all of the internet?) of a red dot as the optic on an AI?
 

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Rockne and others -
Questions:
1) Color, any advantage one over another, seems the mags and barrels are primary concern. I'm a little less than thrilled on the black mount and optic on the brown gun. Why is brown the rage now?

2) Nightforce Optic, I've running NF on all my other bolt guns, so like that, but talk to me about that Mil-C vs Tremor 3 reticle?

3) Spuhr Mount vs rings, I've been running the NightForce Ultralight rings on all my .308 bolt guns (pictured here), is there really a difference with the Spuhr? Or how about the ERA-Tac, that mount has been tossed up for discussion as well.

Thanks all, appreciate your feedback and wise words. View attachment 6875064
I think you're right. . . . black optics on a brown gun is thumbs down. . . . tell you what: Send me all those NF scopes and the SSGs, and I'll send you my S&B :). In all seriousness, while my S&B is perfectly fine, NF would be my "go-to" for all long range optics at the moment (I don't play in the Hensoldt territory . . . I'm not that cool). As far as reticles go, the only thing I've gotten picky about is having a center dot. My current favorite reticle is the SKMR3 on the Kahles 6-24, and that's what got me hooked on the floating center dot. Shooting friends of mine hate the center dot, though.

I'll second my own vote for NF rings, too, but you may want to try out the Spuhr for a change. You wouldn't have a hard time finding a buyer for it if you decided it wasn't for you.

Back to the color - I bought a black 6.5 CM barrel for the Dark Earth. It wouldn't have been my first choice, but there's something about it that I like. Surprised myself on that one.

I can sense your excitement, and having recently gone through it, am excited for you. Keep us posted (and let me know if you need my address for those Scopes/Rifles :)).
 
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I think you're right. . . . black optics on a brown gun is thumbs down. . . . tell you what: Send me all those NF scopes and the SSGs, and I'll send you my S&B :). In all seriousness, while my S&B is perfectly fine, NF would be my "go-to" for all long range optics at the moment (I don't play in the Hensoldt territory . . . I'm not that cool). As far as reticles go, the only thing I've gotten picky about is having a center dot. My current favorite reticle is the SKMR3 on the Kahles 6-24, and that's what got me hooked on the floating center dot. Shooting friends of mine hate the center dot, though.

I'll second my own vote for NF rings, too, but you may want to try out the Spuhr for a change. You wouldn't have a hard time finding a buyer for it if you decided it wasn't for you.

Back to the color - I bought a black 6.5 CM barrel for the Dark Earth. It wouldn't have been my first choice, but there's something about it that I like. Surprised myself on that one.

I can sense your excitement, and having recently gone through it, am excited for you. Keep us posted (and let me know if you need my address for those Scopes/Rifles :)).

Those SSGs would only find their way back home if I sent them off, they're pretty loyal.

I'm pretty set on the Dark Earth color at this point.

Your comment on the Spuhr mount prompts a question, did you buy the 0 MOA model, or the one with the inclination built in, 10 MOA I think?
I ask as I'm debating if I should get the 10 MOA model, just to be sure I can reach out past 1.5 miles in a ELR course.
Any other tips on the Spuhr? I like rings, but perhaps on AXMC rifle in .338 Lapua, it would be wise to have a more secure mount.

Excited? Yes, but also want to make sure that I truly buy once, cry once, and get the right kit.

Thanks,
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It occurred to me that at some point in the future, I may want to use my Bobro mount on the AI. If not this Bobro mount, maybe another Bobro mount. My guess was that, based on the Larue not being able to close, that the Bobro wouldn't either. My guess was spot on. You can't really tell from this photo that it doesn't fit (because the Bobro levers have spring actuators forcing them into the open position unless they're locked down), but you can tell that I tried. It wasn't even close to fitting.

This, in my book, is unacceptable. Edit to add: I'm hoping that there is some scientific/esoteric reason that they have manufactured mine this way of which I am just unaware.

I have an email into AI, and I have an email (following a conversation) into my dealer - who said his own AI is the same as mine. Although I didn't get the impression that he thought it was a big deal, he did say he'd forward on the question to AI himself.


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