6.5 Grendel

bobke

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123 Nosler CC/Sierra HPBT/Scenars, 120 Scenar L
31.5-31.7 CFE, CCI 41/RP 7 1/2
2.26-2.285, depending on distance to lands and variable magazine length and feeding reliability.
2525 in 18” Lilja or JP, 2550-2575 in 20” Bartlein, 2650-2675 in 24” Satern.
All quite accurate and generally low ES/SD, depending on brass and brass prep. Very forgiving to load for.
 

.30kal

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Bullet: 123 gr Scenar
Powder: 28.0 gr of AR-COMP:
Brass: 1x-fired Lapua
Shoulder: 1.215" (fired expands to 1.219")
CBTO: 1.714"
Neck: .288 Bushing
Primer: CCI 450
Velo through 18" Larue barrel: 2492 FPS
SD: 2.6
 
Mar 5, 2017
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Looks like I'm going first.

20" Odin Works 1/8" twist barrel
CCI 450 primer
Hornady brass
28.8grs XBR8208
123gr Hornady SST
2582fps 2.1 SD
Sub .5 MoA
Damn that load seems a bit over the max to me. Are you seeing any pressure signs? I have loaded XBR in 3 grendel barrels now and at 28.5 grains I started seeing serious pressure.
 

bobke

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BDog
Great numbers, but would agree that load is about .3gr above what is generally considered max over on Grendel forum. Betting brass and primer pockets don’’t hold for long either. Of course, everyone’s barrel and chamber are different. To those unfamiliar with Grendel, certainly wouldn’’t recommend that as a starting load, and suggest slow work up from 28.0, paying attention to distance to lands along the way.
 
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Niles Coyote

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My go to load is 26.8 grains Ar-Comp in Lapua brass under a 123 Scenar or ELD seated 2.245-2.250.

16" Ballistic advantage light weight mid-length gas= 2363 SD-5 ES-13
5 at 500
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18" JP light contour rifle gas= 2440 SD-5 ES-17
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20" Precision Rifles (bartlien barrel) rifle gas = 2460ish and the SD/ES were good but I'm unable to find my notes right now.
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Damn that load seems a bit over the max to me. Are you seeing any pressure signs? I have loaded XBR in 3 grendel barrels now and at 28.5 grains I started seeing serious pressure.

No case head deformation. Primers are slightly flattened, still rounded on the edges. I've seen a handful or so of loads at the same charge as mine give or take a bit, posted on various forums. So I didn't think anything of it. I have no idea what max "book" pressure is. I start low and work up till I find a good accurate load that the rifle likes.

Not worried about brass life. My buddy shoots this round in factory Hornady and gives me his brass. I already have about 800 pieces between what I bought and what he gives me. Plus I'm just not seeing any signs that these rounds are over-pressured. Every rifle is different.

I haven't had any issues with it. I haven't tried running it with my can though.
 
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Niles Coyote

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While i suspect not many will play with 100 grain Amax, I have a box and decided to burn some imr8208 today in my 18" JP barrel.


POI and velocity, there definitely appears to be a node at 30.0 grains and possibly a step or two above where I stopped at, 30.8

If you can't see the velocity readings they are as follows:
30.0= 2712 SD-3 ES-7
30.2= 2733 5/10
30.4= 2742 9/19
30.6= 2775 14/26
30.8= 2782 15/28

If OCW theory holds, +3% of 30.0 = 30.9 so next time out I may try 31 grains, but given the numbers and group at 30.0... thats very tempting to remain there.
 

padom

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While i suspect not many will play with 100 grain Amax, I have a box and decided to burn some imr8208 today in my 18" JP barrel.
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POI and velocity, there definitely appears to be a node at 30.0 grains and possibly a step or two above where I stopped at, 30.8

If you can't see the velocity readings they are as follows:
30.0= 2712 SD-3 ES-7
30.2= 2733 5/10
30.4= 2742 9/19
30.6= 2775 14/26
30.8= 2782 15/28

If OCW theory holds, +3% of 30.0 = 30.9 so next time out I may try 31 grains, but given the numbers and group at 30.0... thats very tempting to remain there.

what's your COAL roughly? And what is your max COAL with say a 123 Amax or 123 ELDM touching the lands?

edit:
I see st the top of your target it says 2.245 COAL...How far off the lands are you?
 

Niles Coyote

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what's your COAL roughly? And what is your max COAL with say a 123 Amax or 123 ELDM touching the lands?

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I see st the top of your target it says 2.245 COAL...How far off the lands are you?
Padom, I seat all my bullets between 2.245-2.250

I am not sure how far the 100 A-max is from the lands, I just loaded them to what was printed in the hornady manual, 2.245-2.250. The 123 ELD is jumping about .030" and the Lapua Scenar 123 is jumping about .060".

 

Brosome

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20" Proof Research carbon fiber barrel
Hornady once fired brass
CCI #41 primer
123gr Lapua Scenar loaded to 2.260 COAL (1.721 off Hornady ogive gauge)
27.6gr AR COMP
2485-fps ES:10 SD: 4.5 over 10 shots

10 shot groups are around .6 consistently for me at 100 yards.
 
Mar 15, 2017
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This just arrived...


Velocity testing 107 loaded to 2.258, this leaves them jumping .097" in my JP's chamber. 18" barrel, rifle gas.


will punch some paper next.
Have you had an opportunity to target test these loads? I'm very interested in the 6.5G and this bullet in particular.

~J
 

Maddy

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I'll check my records when I get home. I worked up a load with 8208 as well. I'll let you know what it was. I found I got better velocity and accuracy in my rifle with the CFE223.
 
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This is my daat from this weekend. Still have to decide on the load 6-7 looks like a good start point
24" 1:8
Tac
107 smk 1.56
12 2690 30
11 2653 29.7
10 2644 29.4
9 2616 29.1
8 2602 28.8
7 2546 28.5
6 2545 28.2
5 2526 27.9
4 2483 27.6
3 2437 27.3
2 2394 27
1 2373 26.7
 

bobke

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Where’s node in terms of point of impact for loads? One round sample or multiple round average? Consistent poi for a multiple of loads a better indicator of node than two loads with similar velocity. Interested in your further results.
 
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Where’s node in terms of point of impact for loads? One round sample or multiple round average? Consistent poi for a multiple of loads a better indicator of node than two loads with similar velocity. Interested in your further results.

Single round of different charges fired overy a magnetospeed sporter. I need to make up a load again to get POI but the nodes are points where the velocity, in this case, has little or no variation from one round to the next

The 6-7 node seems to be my low node but not 100% sure
 
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18” Aero Precision barrel
130 grain Hornady ELDM
1x hornady factory brass
Cci srm
26.8 grains imr 8208xbr
2.26 oal
2370 fps

Shoots 1.05” 10 shot groups with consistency. My rifle really likes the 130 class bullets.
 
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BHW 18"
30.5 AA2520
CCI 41
Hornady brass
Hornady 123 ELD Seated at 2.285

2450 FPS
2442
2406 This ruined my string
2434
2444 SD 15.6 ES 44 AVG 2435 Consistant 3/4 MOA
 
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bobke

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Finally got to chrono some loads that I’ve been more focused on accuracy than speed. Worked up in 20” very short throated Satern, but had to test in equally short throated 24” Satern.
123 Sierra BTHP 27.2 AR Comp CCI41 2.23 OAL
2530/16ES/5.7SD
129 Nosler ABLR 30.2 CFE 223 CCI41 2.285 OAL
2500/17ES/9.8SD. Only had three rounds to test.
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