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My Zp5 is on the way.... I'm excited. Sold one of the mausers , now I just need to sell the 270.

I think I'm going with another zp5 for my second rebate.

I really debated about the spotter, but I think I'll go with a kowa 883 even though it has no reticle.

Funds wont allow me to buy another rifle for a 3rd rebate and the spotter.
 

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My Zp5 is on the way.... I'm excited. Sold one of the mausers , now I just need to sell the 270.

I think I'm going with another zp5 for my second rebate.

I really debated about the spotter, but I think I'll go with a kowa 883 even though it has no reticle.

Funds wont allow me to buy another rifle for a 3rd rebate and the spotter.
If you haven't seen one before you're going to be pleasantly surprised. Also, are you by chance military/veteran or LE, if so, Kowa has a very nice program for those who serve.
 

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I called today and was told the next batch (ZP5) of 25 should ship from Germany in the next couple of weeks. At this time there are only 11 people on the backorder list. Based off of that I went ahead and jumped on board and purchased the Mauser IOT get the coupon. Here's to finally trying out a Minox!
 
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Got mine. And have been playing with it all day.

I am surprised by how long the scope is.

Now to figure out what mount I want to use.


Also... the included wrench did not fit my scopes screws . Is it not for the caps?
 
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Should fit the two screws per turret to adjust your zero. That’s strange they sent the wrong size Allen (Torx) wrench.
 

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I will be getting the MD 80 ZR spotting scope, the minox site only specifies a 1/4" tripod mount on the bottom, do most of the nicer tripods come with a flat plate with 1/4" or do they have 3/8" and I will need an extra adapter? Any of you have experience with this spotter? Thanks.
 

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Got my new ZP5 5-25x56 on Friday, wow, just as good optically as my other ZP5 (which is the best glass I've seen, maybe ZCO edges it out ever so slightly but they are neck and neck), but nice surprise, the turrets are MUCH better, almost Kahles like in feel. Glad I went the 50% off route, all in all I spent under $2000k for a brand new ZP5, crazy, the only other scope I'd want is the ZCO and I like the MR4 reticle better than the ZCO MPCT2 so at almost half the price and now better turrets, I'm happy!
 
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Same here.
I actually prefer the thickness of the MPCT2 for my eyes, but I do not like the solid lines in the Christmas Tree, the MR4's tree is usable but almost disappears when you're looking for splash and other objects within the sight picture, just very well designed.
 

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Funny, I prefer the MR4 thickness, the MPCT2 is a tad thick for my use (target shooting) at 20 - 27x.
Different strokes.
 

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Funny, I prefer the MR4 thickness, the MPCT2 is a tad thick for my use (target shooting) at 20 - 27x.
Different strokes.
I mostly use above 20x when doing load dev or paper punching out to about 300y, my sweet spot is probably between 15-20x most of the time and that center dot tends to get lost in contrasty situations. But my eyes have gotten worse as I've gotten older and I tend to prefer a little thicker than I used to.
 

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Got mine. And have been playing with it all day.

I am surprised by how long the scope is.

Now to figure out what mount I want to use.


Also... the included wrench did not fit my scopes screws . Is it not for the caps?
The allen that was with mine was too small too. It takes a 2mm. I used my wrench from my Razor. I bore sighted mine on my Tikka CTR, fired 1 shot, adjusted, put 2 more next to it and was done. Really easy to zero. I decided it will be my hunting scope for rifle season this year. I do not get into the second revolution on mine though. I do have it mounted on a 20 MOA rail.
 

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The allen that was with mine was too small too. It takes a 2mm. I used my wrench from my Razor. I bore sighted mine on my Tikka CTR, fired 1 shot, adjusted, put 2 more next to it and was done. Really easy to zero. I decided it will be my hunting scope for rifle season this year. I do not get into the second revolution on mine though. I do have it mounted on a 20 MOA rail.
My rough math, with my 20moa base, 28 mil of adjustment and 10 mil of reticle I'll be good out to 2000yds on my 6.5creedmoor!.

Kidding....
 

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My rough math, with my 20moa base, 28 mil of adjustment and 10 mil of reticle I'll be good out to 2000yds on my 6.5creedmoor!.

Kidding....
I definately don't need it, just wanted to see if the feel changed after the first revolution. My 20" 6.5 takes 9.5 to get to 1000. It will end up on my 22BR for matches though.
 

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Ok so I had noticed this since I first mounted and zero'd my scope but still not too sure. It seems I can dial all of the adjustment after setting my zero stop. I haven't actually looked through the scope and dial all the elevation to see if the reticle actually moves down all the way. Is this scope designed to be able to use all the internal adjustment after zero'd? If so, I've never seen that before on any other scope, pretty cool feature.

I do however find the glass isn't the best at high mag. It starts to lose contrast and looks rather milky or white-ish. The best way I can describe this is as if there was a drop of water that dried out on the objective but I have already cleaned it and wiped it with no change. Aside from the image losing contrast, it becomes very blurry around the edges, sometimes the whole picture, if I'm not exactly perfect behind the eyebox.

Does anybody notice finicky eyebox on the 3-15 model? This is really bothering me and it's pretty bad to the point where I think it might something wrong with the scope.
 

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Got my new ZP5 5-25x56 on Friday, wow, just as good optically as my other ZP5 (which is the best glass I've seen, maybe ZCO edges it out ever so slightly but they are neck and neck), but nice surprise, the turrets are MUCH better, almost Kahles like in feel. Glad I went the 50% off route, all in all I spent under $2000k for a brand new ZP5, crazy, the only other scope I'd want is the ZCO and I like the MR4 reticle better than the ZCO MPCT2 so at almost half the price and now better turrets, I'm happy!
Can you post a video of the newer turrets? I looked at one a while back and the turrets were not very crisp.
 

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Ok so I had noticed this since I first mounted and zero'd my scope but still not too sure. It seems I can dial all of the adjustment after setting my zero stop. I haven't actually looked through the scope and dial all the elevation to see if the reticle actually moves down all the way. Is this scope designed to be able to use all the internal adjustment after zero'd? If so, I've never seen that before on any other scope, pretty cool feature.

I do however find the glass isn't the best at high mag. It starts to lose contrast and looks rather milky or white-ish. The best way I can describe this is as if there was a drop of water that dried out on the objective but I have already cleaned it and wiped it with no change. Aside from the image losing contrast, it becomes very blurry around the edges, sometimes the whole picture, if I'm not exactly perfect behind the eyebox.

Does anybody notice finicky eyebox on the 3-15 model? This is really bothering me and it's pretty bad to the point where I think it might something wrong with the scope.
The 3-15 reticle will stop moving when it's out if adjustment but the turret dials all the way through the range. It will pick it back up when you come back down. Only the 3-15s do this. All 3 of mine did this. I would say that the eye box is not finicky. They do take some time to set the diopter perfect and with a new one I had I thought something was wrong with it and soon as I got it dialed in, all was well.
 

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Ok so I had noticed this since I first mounted and zero'd my scope but still not too sure. It seems I can dial all of the adjustment after setting my zero stop. I haven't actually looked through the scope and dial all the elevation to see if the reticle actually moves down all the way. Is this scope designed to be able to use all the internal adjustment after zero'd? If so, I've never seen that before on any other scope, pretty cool feature.

I do however find the glass isn't the best at high mag. It starts to lose contrast and looks rather milky or white-ish. The best way I can describe this is as if there was a drop of water that dried out on the objective but I have already cleaned it and wiped it with no change. Aside from the image losing contrast, it becomes very blurry around the edges, sometimes the whole picture, if I'm not exactly perfect behind the eyebox.

Does anybody notice finicky eyebox on the 3-15 model? This is really bothering me and it's pretty bad to the point where I think it might something wrong with the scope.
Talk to @jwknutson17 as he's had several ZP5 3-15's, but I can tell you the one we used for the Ultra Short review was stunning optically all the way through the magnification range, nothing like what you describe. I would definitely contact Minox for warranty service.

EDIT: Looks like jwk beat me to it :D Also, make sure your diopter is set properly as he mentions, that can make a world of difference if it is way off.
 

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Can you post a video of the newer turrets? I looked at one a while back and the turrets were not very crisp.
I do not have a youtube account and don't care to get one either. I posted a video of turrets a while back I think using my Dropbox account; however, if anyone knows of another video hosting provider that does not censor gun related videos please let me know.
 

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Talk to @jwknutson17 as he's had several ZP5 3-15's, but I can tell you the one we used for the Ultra Short review was stunning optically all the way through the magnification range, nothing like what you describe. I would definitely contact Minox for warranty service.

EDIT: Looks like jwk beat me to it :D Also, make sure your diopter is set properly as he mentions, that can make a world of difference if it is way off.
I would also say that optically it is very clear and crisp on all mag settings. I would second that he has an issue.
 

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I'll try to see if I can get some pics through the scope on lower mag with bright colors versus high mag with washed out color, bad contrast!!!
I'll play around with diopter as well although I do think it's set up good!!
 

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I'll try to see if I can get some pics through the scope on lower mag with bright colors versus high mag with washed out color, bad contrast!!!
I'll play around with diopter as well although I do think it's set up good!!
Is this one of the brand new scopes from the 50% off deal?
 

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So I'm out in the field right now and I had planned to try to capture what I describe in pictures. Yeah, that's not going to happen. No way my shitty phone camera will capture anything the way it is in reality. However, the more i study this glass, the more disappointed I become.

For the record, I've already messed with the diopter by going to max mag and infinity parallax. I aimed at the sky, closed and opened eye repeatedly while adjusting, and left the reticle as crisp as possible. Any more tweaking will leave my reticle unadjusted to my eye and will make my viewing experience worse.

I've been messing with the parallax adjustment while looking at some dried up misquite logs sticking out of a pile of dirt and more wood. The pile is on a hill, so behind it there is terrain but it is hundreds and hundreds of yards away. I find this is easier for me to finely adjust and be more detail oriented because the background becomes very blurry or out of focus as I try to observe the tiny details on those misquote trunks (different focal planes due to a significant change in distance from my scope).


The blurryness is still there if i move the slightest bit off center and some opacity seems to come in as well which I describe as a lack of contrast. I've also noticed that at times, the right side of my image can become crystal clear but not the left, or vice versa. When I focus on a specific white spot on the trunk, I start messing with the parallax until I find I am parallax free. I do this by shifting my eye around a bit and look for no movement in the reticle in relation to the white spot. I can get the image crystal clear but again, I would have to be dead center. Aaaannnd, a small buck just popped out of the brush. Anyhow, this is really such a let down as I am not perfect and it is nearly impossible to always have the exact perfect cheek weld. I know the idea is to always be dead center but that isn't always the case.

I really wanted to like this optic a lot, as it is my first scope ever which I think could be up there categorized as "alpha glass" but I don't think it's working out for me. I've used weaver tactical, LRHS, and second gen Tango6 scopes which are significantly inferior scopes but did not have such problems with them. The image is still pretty damn good when I can get it really crisp, but I shouldn't have to be digging around and looking for that sweet spot all the time.

I'll be calling minox about it and see if maybe I can get a replacement but that won't be until hunting season is over. I don't want to be scopless and I don't want to use my back up rifle lol. The longest I'll shoot a deer here is about 300 yards, and I'm not going for head shots so I'll be good. I'm not exactly sure if this is one of their older scopes from earlier batches but I did receive it in a black box. Would anyone care to tell me the difference between black box and white box?

**edited for spell check lol**
 

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^^^
It definitely sounds like you got a dud unfortunately. The strange thing is that I thought all the "new" ZP5's were white box units, but maybe it's different for the 3-15. I think JWK's 3-15 was a black box, but again, his 3-15 performed extremely well optically once we dialed in the diopter, it exhibited nothing like what you mention here. I would ask Minox to replace your scope since you literally just got it through their program. Minox customer service seems to have stepped up in recent years so hopefully they'll take care of you quickly.

I just got a bum Burris XTR III and it's a pain to have to ship a scope back that you just purchased, but they had a replacement to me in under a week, the new scope performs much better optically than the first one I had. Unfortunately, sometimes scopes slip through the QC cracks and make it out when they shouldn't, I've even seen this with other "alpha" class manufacturers.
 
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So I'm out in the field right now and I had planned to try to capture what I describe in pictures. Yeah, that's not going to happen. No way my shitty phone camera will capture anything the way it is in reality. However, the more i study this glass, the more disappointed I become.

For the record, I've already messed with the diopter by going to max mag and infinity parallax. I aimed at the sky, closed and opened eye repeatedly while adjusting, and left the reticle as crisp as possible. Any more tweaking will leave my reticle unadjusted to my eye and will make my viewing experience worse.

I've been messing with the parallax adjustment while looking at some dried up misquite logs sticking out of a pile of dirt and more wood. The pile is on a hill, so behind it there is terrain but it is hundreds and hundreds of yards away. I find this is easier for me to finely adjust and be more detail oriented because the background becomes very blurry or out of focus as I try to observe the tiny details on those misquote trunks (different focal planes due to a significant change in distance from my scope).


The blurryness is still there if i move the slightest bit off center and some opacity seems to come in as well which I describe as a lack of contrast. I've also noticed that at times, the right side of my image can become crystal clear but not the left, or vice versa. When I focus on a specific white spot on the trunk, I start messing with the parallax until I find I am parallax free. I do this by shifting my eye around a bit and look for no movement in the reticle in relation to the white spot. I can get the image crystal clear but again, I would have to be dead center. Aaaannnd, a small buck just popped out of the brush. Anyhow, this is really such a let down as I am not perfect and it is nearly impossible to always have the exact perfect cheek weld. I know the idea is to always be dead center but that isn't always the case.

I really wanted to like this optic a lot, as it is my first scope ever which I think could be up there categorized as "alpha glass" but I don't think it's working out for me. I've used weaver tactical, LRHS, and second gen Tango6 scopes which are significantly inferior scopes but did not have such problems with them. The image is still pretty damn good when I can get it really crisp, but I shouldn't have to be digging around and looking for that sweet spot all the time.

I'll be calling minox about it and see if maybe I can get a replacement but that won't be until hunting season is over. I don't want to be scopless and I don't want to use my back up rifle lol. The longest I'll shoot a deer here is about 300 yards, and I'm not going for head shots so I'll be good. I'm not exactly sure if this is one of their older scopes from earlier batches but I did receive it in a black box. Would anyone care to tell me the difference between black box and white box?

**edited for spell check lol**
Don’t hold me to this but my understanding is the black box were early production. White box is current production. I have both 3-15 and 5-25. My 3-15 is a black box and the 5-25 is a white box. Both are brilliant. It’s difficult to get a poor image from either unless parallax is set to close range while looking further out. The eye box on both is quite good so proper eye placement is not as critical as with some optics but it is very important to maintain proper cheek weld/eye placement for clearest picture. At higher mag this is even more important.

It does sound to me like there must be something wrong with your ZP5 for it to act that way. Both of mine were very easy to set up and have been nothing short of amazing.
 

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If you read through this, The MD80zR is the best thing to buy with a coupon. I absolutely love mine. At twilight looking through it, it looks like daylight.
Paul, could you elaborate on the spotter. How is the eye relief? There is apparently an older reticle and now the MRS-2. If you have the new reticle how do you like it? Is finding focus forgiving or critical. Anything else you can comment on would be appreciated.
 

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So I'm out in the field right now and I had planned to try to capture what I describe in pictures. Yeah, that's not going to happen. No way my shitty phone camera will capture anything the way it is in reality. However, the more i study this glass, the more disappointed I become.

For the record, I've already messed with the diopter by going to max mag and infinity parallax. I aimed at the sky, closed and opened eye repeatedly while adjusting, and left the reticle as crisp as possible. Any more tweaking will leave my reticle unadjusted to my eye and will make my viewing experience worse.

I've been messing with the parallax adjustment while looking at some dried up misquite logs sticking out of a pile of dirt and more wood. The pile is on a hill, so behind it there is terrain but it is hundreds and hundreds of yards away. I find this is easier for me to finely adjust and be more detail oriented because the background becomes very blurry or out of focus as I try to observe the tiny details on those misquote trunks (different focal planes due to a significant change in distance from my scope).


The blurryness is still there if i move the slightest bit off center and some opacity seems to come in as well which I describe as a lack of contrast. I've also noticed that at times, the right side of my image can become crystal clear but not the left, or vice versa. When I focus on a specific white spot on the trunk, I start messing with the parallax until I find I am parallax free. I do this by shifting my eye around a bit and look for no movement in the reticle in relation to the white spot. I can get the image crystal clear but again, I would have to be dead center. Aaaannnd, a small buck just popped out of the brush. Anyhow, this is really such a let down as I am not perfect and it is nearly impossible to always have the exact perfect cheek weld. I know the idea is to always be dead center but that isn't always the case.

I really wanted to like this optic a lot, as it is my first scope ever which I think could be up there categorized as "alpha glass" but I don't think it's working out for me. I've used weaver tactical, LRHS, and second gen Tango6 scopes which are significantly inferior scopes but did not have such problems with them. The image is still pretty damn good when I can get it really crisp, but I shouldn't have to be digging around and looking for that sweet spot all the time.

I'll be calling minox about it and see if maybe I can get a replacement but that won't be until hunting season is over. I don't want to be scopless and I don't want to use my back up rifle lol. The longest I'll shoot a deer here is about 300 yards, and I'm not going for head shots so I'll be good. I'm not exactly sure if this is one of their older scopes from earlier batches but I did receive it in a black box. Would anyone care to tell me the difference between black box and white box?

**edited for spell check lol**
The 3-15s I got this year are still black box. I have never seen a white box 3-15. Maybe the new ones from this last 2-3 or months are white, but I've yet to see one.
 
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I would have them send you another before you use it. Only takes a day or two to receive. They are quick. If your using it and need a replacement they are just going to warranty it back overseas.
I'm not exactly sure I follow what you're saying. Are you implying I get them to send me another one before I send the one I currently have? I'm already using it out in the field. I figured I'll just let this season go by and send it back if needed once I'm done hunting.

I actually didn't get to speak to anyone today because by the time I called it was 17:15ish and well of course, they were closed. I'll try to speak to someone tomorrow...
 

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I'm not exactly sure I follow what you're saying. Are you implying I get them to send me another one before I send the one I currently have? I'm already using it out in the field. I figured I'll just let this season go by and send it back if needed once I'm done hunting.

I actually didn't get to speak to anyone today because by the time I called it was 17:15ish and well of course, they were closed. I'll try to speak to someone tomorrow...
I guess I just didnt read your post all the way through. I was thinking you haven't used it in the field. I had a new 5-25 I sent back that I had not used other then just fondling it and they sent me a replacement immediately.
 
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