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Re: 308 Winchester
11/20/2014
[HR][/HR]I'm just getting started with a Howa 1500, 24" heavy barrel in .308.
Only load I have so far that the gun that it really seems to like is:
155 Amax
Hornady Match Brass
IMR 4064 46grns
Fed 210

Can anybody tell me how much 4064 to start with using LC brass. I figured to drop down to 44 grns for starters. Any suggestions appreciated. Have a bunch of LC brass and I wanted to see if I can get close to the load listed above accuracy wise and near the velocity which is at 2930 with my friends chrono.
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/21/2014
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175gr Berger Match OTM Tactical
Lapua Brass
Federal 210M
44.5gr AR2208 (Varget)
CAOL 2.880
Jump 0.020
2740fps


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Re: 308 Winchester
11/25/2014
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175 SMK's (seconds)
41.5 H4895
LC 04 brass
CCI BR2 primers


Center 3 shots outlier is cold bore. I shot the other two and adjusted my zero.
Top 3 groups are five shots each. I have a very unstable platform to shoot from, so most of the dispersion is me. The last group I changed my position and sucked it in...it will do better.
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/25/2014 Last edited 12/05/2014 by Aimsmall55
[HR][/HR]Custom built .308. Stiller Tac 30 action on a 28" Bartlein HV 1:11.25
43.3 grains of Varget, fgm210m, lapua brass, 185 Juggernaut @ 2.210 to ogive.
Oehler35P Chronograph at 15'
58 degrees F

4 shots with a SD of 4 and averaging 2657 fps. So it's about 2680 at muzzle.

3/4" Dot circle. .20 moa
105 yards
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Re: 308 Winchester
11/27/2014
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44.4gr IMR 4064
FC Brass
2,780fps
24" AINA barrel (Bartlein 5r 1:12")
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/06/2014
[HR][/HR]44.3 varget. ( little warm fellas, proceed working up to it) 178 amax at 2.225 to ogive (2.861"). Lapua brass, FGM210M, 28" Bartlein 1:11.25, stiller Tac 30 action.
Haven't Chono'd it yet but I imagine it's some where in the 2760 to 2790 fps range.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/06/2014
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44.3 varget. ( little warm fellas, proceed working up to it) 178 amax at 2.225 to ogive (2.861"). Lapua brass, FGM210M, 28" Bartlein 1:11.25, stiller Tac 30 action.
Haven't Chono'd it yet but I imagine it's some where in the 2760 to 2790 fps range.

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New to this and learning.

What are you jumping them then? Im jumping the 175smk .010 out of my 5R. Started working up 178AMAX jumping at .020 while trying to run an OCW on it.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/08/2014
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--- Aimsmall55 wrote:

44.3 varget. ( little warm fellas, proceed working up to it) 178 amax at 2.225 to ogive (2.861"). Lapua brass, FGM210M, 28" Bartlein 1:11.25, stiller Tac 30 action.
Haven't Chono'd it yet but I imagine it's some where in the 2760 to 2790 fps range.

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New to this and learning.

What are you jumping them then? Im jumping the 175smk .010 out of my 5R. Started working up 178AMAX jumping at .020 while trying to run an OCW on it.

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I'm jumping about 50/1000". They and the 185 juggernauts like to jump in my rifle.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/09/2014
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Hey All, I didn't see anything in reading thru, but does anyone have info on the 168gr Berger Hybrid's Load data and or results? 24 inch 1:11.25 Bartlein Also does anyone have the Berger Reloading book? Trying to figure out if it is worth $30 if I am only planning to use it for this one bullet.



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Re: 308 Winchester
12/10/2014
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Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: 308 Winchester
12/16/2014 Last edited 12/16/2014 by 07yzryder
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Aimsmall55 wrote: Custom built .308. Stiller Tac 30 action on a 28" Bartlein HV 1:11.25
43.3 grains of Varget, fgm210m, lapua brass, 185 Juggernaut @ 2.210 to ogive.
Oehler35P Chronograph at 15'
58 degrees F

4 shots with a SD of 4 and averaging 2657 fps. So it's about 2680 at muzzle.

3/4" Dot circle. .20 moa
105 yards
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that load kills it in my rifle as well, just trying to figure out how my MV is so high.... im running 43.3 @ 2.11 to the ogive. but out of a 19 inch barrel and getting 2611FPS at 10 feet. The MV is confirmed on my app as my drop chart is perfect to 1k.

would the twist speed effect velocity? im running a 10 twist.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/18/2014
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As a general rule, a 1:10 will stabilize better with bigger bullets and shorter bbls. However , a 1:12 usually pushes a 175 grain pill a little faster than a 1:10.

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Re: 308 Winchester
12/20/2014
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Anyone have a 308 load using 178 amax's and Reloader 15? This will be for my GAP-10 that should be getting finished soon.

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Re: 308 Winchester
12/25/2014
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/26/2014
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Pack51479 wrote:
Anyone have a 308 load using 178 amax's and Reloader 15? This will be for my GAP-10 that should be getting finished soon.​
Try the M118LR load.

43.1 grains RL15, seat bullet to 2.8 C.O.A.L.

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Re: 308 Winchester
12/26/2014
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Anyone have a 308 load using 178 amax's and Reloader 15? This will be for my GAP-10 that should be getting finished soon.



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I started working up a load using RE15, 175AMAX, and Lapua brass for my Remington 7005R. It just didndt seem to like them as much as the 175SMK so I just kind of stopped the process. Perhaps revisit it again. I'm going to try some of the Berger 175gr OTM Tacticals as I read they are a secant/tangent hybrid and are perhaps more tolerent to jump that the AMAX. The COAL on those AMAX loads juping them .010 or 020 was nuts.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/30/2014
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Anyone have any reloading data for Reloader 17 for Nosler 168gr Custom comp, SMK 175gr and Hornady 155 and 178 Amax? I cant seem to find it anywhere for these bullets.

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Re: 308 Winchester
01/05/2015
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Has anyone used the Hornady 178 BTHP? I've got about 300 of them. I've got Varget, Rl-15, 4895, and some 748.

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Re: 308 Winchester
01/08/2015
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I'm interested too. I just bought 1600 of them . Varget, rl15' and imr 4064

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Has anyone used the Hornady 178 BTHP? I've got about 300 of them. I've got Varget, Rl-15, 4895, and some 748.



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Re: 308 Winchester
01/13/2015
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Norma Brass @ 2.005"

168gr SMK

41.5 gr H4895

Federal GM210

2.800" COAL (2.246 ogive)

Easy .5 MOA at 200 yards, smallest groups was about 3/4" at 200 yards. All rounds touching end to end if i do my part. Somewhere around 2600 FPS out of my Remington 700 5R Milspec 24"



43.5 GR was the max load which grouped O.K., I have yet to play with seating depth though.
 
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/14/2015
[HR][/HR]Does anybody have any info for 155 grain berger hbrids and imr 4064.
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/18/2015
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Have used them and love them. I load them just like 175 SMK's. They sort well with uniform weights and lengths. Only complaint is that others seem to like them too and I've had difficulties finding them in the quantities I want. When I do I order 1k at a time.

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Re: 308 Winchester
01/18/2015
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If the weather cooperates I will be shooting the 178 tommorow imr4064
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Has anyone used the Hornady 178 BTHP? I've got about 300 of them. I've got Varget, Rl-15, 4895, and some 748.



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Re: 308 Winchester
01/19/2015
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Anyone have a 308 load using 178 amax's and Reloader 15? This will be for my GAP-10 that should be getting finished soon.



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I started working up a load using RE15, 175AMAX, and Lapua brass for my Remington 7005R. It just didndt seem to like them as much as the 175SMK so I just kind of stopped the process. Perhaps revisit it again. I'm going to try some of the Berger 175gr OTM Tacticals as I read they are a secant/tangent hybrid and are perhaps more tolerent to jump that the AMAX. The COAL on those AMAX loads juping them .010 or 020 was nuts.​
I run rl15 in all my 308.



41.6 gr in mixed brass with federal 210 primers running 2.80 coal

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Re: 308 Winchester
01/19/2015 Last edited 01/19/2015 by savagesavy
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Savage 11 vt 24" 1:10 factory tube

Hornady match brass

Fed 210 primers

Nosler 180 gr ballistic tip

41.5 gr RL15

2.83 COAL

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Re: 308 Winchester
01/22/2015
[HR][/HR]Can anyone share their experiences using IMR 4064 with 168 AMAX? I'm seeing starting/max charges all over the place... Some say start at 36gr with a max of 41gr, some say start at 40-41.5gr with a max of 45-46gr. My Hornady manual lists very low charges compared to other sources, but the loads are under their ".308 Service Rifle" section (there is no load with 4064 in the regular .308 section) so maybe that's why.

I've seen many pet loads with 4064 and the 168smk in the 44-46gr range, but I'm unsure if the longer bearing surface and/or different shape of the AMAX would make those loads produce too much pressure. I've already loaded up some rounds from 37-45gr for an OCW test (5rds each in increments of .4gr with FC brass trimmed to 2.009 at a COAL of 2.800), but haven't gotten a chance to test them yet.

Obviously I'm starting at the low end of the spectrum and working up while watching for pressure signs, but any experience or recommendations with this combo would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/25/2015
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For the guys loading the 178gr amax bullets, what die set are you using? I have a set of the Hornady Series I custom grade dies and the seating stem leaves a ring around the top of the bullet. I ordered the custom seating stem for the amax bullets to go in it but it still makes a slight impression into the bullet jacket. I am loading 44gr of Varget in Federal brass with a COAL of 2.85.

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Re: 308 Winchester
02/02/2015
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Aimsmall55 wrote: Custom built .308. Stiller Tac 30 action on a 28" Bartlein HV 1:11.25
43.3 grains of Varget, fgm210m, lapua brass, 185 Juggernaut @ 2.210 to ogive.
Oehler35P Chronograph at 15'
58 degrees F

4 shots with a SD of 4 and averaging 2657 fps. So it's about 2680 at muzzle.

3/4" Dot circle. .20 moa
105 yards
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that load kills it in my rifle as well, just trying to figure out how my MV is so high.... im running 43.3 @ 2.11 to the ogive. but out of a 19 inch barrel and getting 2611FPS at 10 feet. The MV is confirmed on my app as my drop chart is perfect to 1k.

would the twist speed effect velocity? im running a 10 twist.

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Yes sir it would. A 1:10 twist is going to stabilize better, but you won't get get the velocity as say a 1:12 or 1:11.25.
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Re: 308 Winchester
02/07/2015
[HR][/HR]Subsonic load
208 amax
11gr trail boss
2.860" coal
Stabilized in my 1:10, and shot sub moa.
No chrono data
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Re: 308 Winchester
02/11/2015
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For the guys loading the 178gr amax bullets, what die set are you using? I have a set of the Hornady Series I custom grade dies and the seating stem leaves a ring around the top of the bullet. I ordered the custom seating stem for the amax bullets to go in it but it still makes a slight impression into the bullet jacket. I am loading 44gr of Varget in Federal brass with a COAL of 2.85.



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Had the same thing happening with a set from whidden gunworks. I am pretty sure it has to do with the extra length the tip provides and how high the powder will be on a loaded 308 case. They shot fine I read somewhere that using a powder that isnt in big pellets like the IMR4064 I was using would cure it. After shooting a few rounds and seeing it had no impact on the accuracy I decided I didnt really care.
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Re: 308 Winchester
02/13/2015
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weaverftw wrote: Can anyone share their experiences using IMR 4064 with 168 AMAX? I'm seeing starting/max charges all over the place... Some say start at 36gr with a max of 41gr, some say start at 40-41.5gr with a max of 45-46gr. My Hornady manual lists very low charges compared to other sources, but the loads are under their ".308 Service Rifle" section (there is no load with 4064 in the regular .308 section) so maybe that's why.

I've seen many pet loads with 4064 and the 168smk in the 44-46gr range, but I'm unsure if the longer bearing surface and/or different shape of the AMAX would make those loads produce too much pressure. I've already loaded up some rounds from 37-45gr for an OCW test (5rds each in increments of .4gr with FC brass trimmed to 2.009 at a COAL of 2.800), but haven't gotten a chance to test them yet.

Obviously I'm starting at the low end of the spectrum and working up while watching for pressure signs, but any experience or recommendations with this combo would be greatly appreciated.​
I am getting very good results with 43.5 of IMR 4064 in three different rifles. Lapua brass, Fed 210 primers, 168Amax.
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Re: 308 Winchester
02/16/2015
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weaverftw wrote: Can anyone share their experiences using IMR 4064 with 168 AMAX? I'm seeing starting/max charges all over the place... Some say start at 36gr with a max of 41gr, some say start at 40-41.5gr with a max of 45-46gr. My Hornady manual lists very low charges compared to other sources, but the loads are under their ".308 Service Rifle" section (there is no load with 4064 in the regular .308 section) so maybe that's why.

I've seen many pet loads with 4064 and the 168smk in the 44-46gr range, but I'm unsure if the longer bearing surface and/or different shape of the AMAX would make those loads produce too much pressure. I've already loaded up some rounds from 37-45gr for an OCW test (5rds each in increments of .4gr with FC brass trimmed to 2.009 at a COAL of 2.800), but haven't gotten a chance to test them yet.

Obviously I'm starting at the low end of the spectrum and working up while watching for pressure signs, but any experience or recommendations with this combo would be greatly appreciated.​


The IMR Web Site shows to start at 43 and work up to 45, but at 45, it's a compressed load. I've had decent luck with 39.5 under a 168 SMK, and there seems to be another node around 42.5. I was using NATO brass so 42.5 grains was up around 2833-2847 FPS out of a 30" 1:12 in 90 degree heat.

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Re: 308 Winchester
02/16/2015
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I have been using 42.5 grains of IMR 4064 in new production PMC cases with 168 AMAX. These cases are much thicker than others and similar to NATO without the primer crimp. Worked up from 41.5 grains to 43 grains, I hit a node right at 42.5. At 43 grains groups opened up but no visible pressure signs. I am sticking with 42.5 for now; especially since case fill is close to 100% and I have not cronied this load yet.

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Re: 308 Winchester
02/19/2015
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Anyone have data for 155 CCs over IMR4064?

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Re: 308 Winchester
02/26/2015
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Anyone have data for 155 CCs over IMR4064?​
155 Nosler CC / 45.0 IMR 4064 / Winchester cases / Wolf LRP. 2910 Avg. FPS / SD 14 / ES 34. Shot out of a Rem. 700 W 24" 1/12" Hart barrel. Accurate load.

Work up to it.

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Re: 308 Winchester
02/27/2015 Last edited 03/02/2015 by allenj
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Concerning the .308 178 grain Hornady Match: I tried and like them, so bought 800. Rifle is a Savage Precision Carbine, 20" 5R 1:11.25 twist. I started low and worked up to Hodgdon's max recommended for 175 and 180 grain bullets, 45.0 grain of Varget and am getting no signs of excessive pressure. All my shooting so far has been on cool days, 60 degrees or less. Brass is Lapua, primer is CCI BR-2, COAL is 2.770. Chronograph average for 20 test loads was 2740 fps and drop tests have confirmed that.

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Re: 308 Winchester
03/01/2015
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summy930 wrote:
Anyone have data for 155 CCs over IMR4064?​
155 Nosler CC / 45.0 IMR 4064 / Winchester cases / Wolf LRP. 2910 Avg. FPS / SD 14 / ES 34. Shot out of a Rem. 700 W 24" 1/12" Hart barrel. Accurate load.

Work up to it.​
I have been shooting 175smk and 178Amax but picked up 1000 Nosler 155cc's to play with. I have IMR4064, Varget and H4895. I typically use 4064 for my 175's and 178's but have a ton of H4895 so I want to find an accurate load with H4895 and the 155cc's.
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Re: 308 Winchester
03/01/2015
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Can someone give me the book min./max. for the 185 juggernauts with IMR 4064? Only saw one load running that combo and he was running 43.5. I'm running it out of a DTA 22", any other load data would be appreciated as well. Thanks.

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Re: 308 Winchester
03/02/2015
[HR][/HR]Berger Book says for 185 grain bullets (juggernauts are listed) and IMR 4064:
Start Load: 37.0
Approximate Start Velocity: 2307 fps
Max Load: 41.0
Approximate Max Velocity: 2532 fps
Approximate Fill Ratio: 103%

This is from a 24" barrel and Berger lists the COAL as 2.810" but yours will probably be slightly different. They list the 185 Juggernauts BC as:
G1 BC - 0.560
G7 BC - 0.283

Suggest 1 in 12" twist or faster
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Can someone give me the book min./max. for the 185 juggernauts with IMR 4064? Only saw one load running that combo and he was running 43.5. I'm running it out of a DTA 22", any other load data would be appreciated as well. Thanks.



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Re: 308 Winchester
03/03/2015 Last edited 03/03/2015 by smchop
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Re: 308 Winchester
03/10/2015 Last edited 03/10/2015 by FLIGHT762
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FLIGHT762 wrote:
155 Nosler CC / 45.0 IMR 4064 / Winchester cases / Wolf LRP. 2910 Avg. FPS / SD 14 / ES 34. Shot out of a Rem. 700 W 24" 1/12" Hart barrel. Accurate load.

Work up to it.​
I have been shooting 175smk and 178Amax but picked up 1000 Nosler 155cc's to play with. I have IMR4064, Varget and H4895. I typically use 4064 for my 175's and 178's but have a ton of H4895 so I want to find an accurate load with H4895 and the 155cc's.​
I've shot H-4895 in my 22" GAP 10 with the 155 CC's. With 44.0 grains, I'm getting avg 2819 FPS with goood accuracy. I've gone up to 45.0 grains in my bolt guns, but haven't chrono'ed those. I think you'll find a good load for the 155's somewhere between 43-45 grains of H-4895.


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Re: 308 Winchester
03/10/2015 Last edited 03/10/2015 by padom
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[HR][/HR]I actually got out yesterday to test H4895/155cc. I loaded up an OCW test from 43.9-46.1 in .3g increments. Found a lights out load at 45.8g. Shot a single hole .119" group. 46.1g was right behind it with a slightly larger hole measuring .327".


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Re: 308 Winchester
03/20/2015
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Is anybody shooting the 155 Scenars? I've got CCI BR4s, Lapua Brass, and IMR4064, IMR4895 and Reloder 15. Mainly looking for powder suggestions and whether or not they like to be jumped or jammed. Thanks.

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Re: 308 Winchester
03/21/2015
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Is anybody shooting the 155 Scenars? I've got CCI BR4s, Lapua Brass, and IMR4064, IMR4895 and Reloder 15. Mainly looking for powder suggestions and whether or not they like to be jumped or jammed. Thanks.​
My .308's favorite load was 45gr R15 behind the 155gr Scenar. 10 shots into .7ish MOA, which is not bad for 10 shots.

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Re: 308 Winchester
03/27/2015
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178 AMAX
42.5 gr Reloader 15
2.8" OAL (mag length)
Lapua brass
CCI 250 primers (large rifle magnum)
2490 fps

I got this load from George from GAP off of the GAP-10 thread from the old boards. If I remember correctly, he suggested 42.5 grains of Varget or Reloader 15 for 175 grain bullets loaded to mag length (2.8" OAL). Remember, this is for a gas gun.
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Re: 308 Winchester
03/29/2015 Last edited 03/29/2015 by pbcaster45
[HR][/HR]Custom Savage 16FLSS with 24 inch Lothar Walther Barrel (1-10 twist)



Bullet: Sierra 175 gr. King HPBT Match King
Powder: Alliant Reloader 15 43.2 grains
Primer: Federal 210M
Case: IMI Match
LOAL: 2.800-2.815 (2.230 Base to Ogive with Stoney Point)
Average Velocity: 2642.80 fps
Extreme Spread: 23.60
Standard Deviation: 10.48

Two five shot groups @200 yards with the bottom one after scope adjustment (good group going but tensed up and blew the last one).



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Re: 308 Winchester
04/13/2015 Last edited 04/17/2015 by Dogsniper
[HR][/HR]26" nitride 1 in 12 twist
Win brass
Fed 210m
178 hornady hbt.
Coal 2.85
Ave. fps. 2637
42 gr. imr4064
.5 " groups on a windy day@100
Wind blowing me around lol.


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I'm interested too. I just bought 1600 of them . Varget, rl15' and imr 4064

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Has anyone used the Hornady 178 BTHP? I've got about 300 of them. I've got Varget, Rl-15, 4895, and some 748.



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Re: 308 Winchester
04/17/2015 Last edited 04/17/2015 by ny308hunter
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Remington 5R Milsepc 24" in KRG X-Ray CHassis

175 SMK

41.8gr Varget

Lapua brass 2.004"

Federal 210 primer

.020" Off the lands

Easily .50-.75" at 100

Best group of the day at 200 yards, 60* out and barely wind. Soft recoiling accurate load. Only my last 3 rounds, wish I had a few more at the end of the day! This will probably never happen again.



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Re: 308 Winchester
04/22/2015 Last edited 04/22/2015 by BigAL13
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Looking for info on 168 Berger hybrids, (part#30425)

I have some Varget powder

CCI BR2 primers

Hart barrel @ 20" and 1-10" twist

Fed Brass once fired in my chamber
 
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Re: 308 Winchester
04/23/2015 Last edited 07/15/2015 by jnims9
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GAP 700 with Rock Creek, 20" M24 contour 11-1/4 twist, Manners T2

4064 42.5gr or 43.5gr Reloder 15

Hornady AMAX 168gr .050 off lands

SMK 168 .020 off lands

Fed 210m

Nosler Brass 2.008"



my gun prefers 168's over 175's

although 175 berger OTM did shoot well


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Re: 308 Winchester
04/26/2015
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M118LR clone:



LC Match brass

178AMAX/175SMK (seem interchangeable with this load)

42.5gr Varget

CCI LR primers

2.775" OAL

LFCD

2605fps from Steyr SBS Tactical 23.6" barrel, sub MOA in every rifle I've ever tried it in (that was sub MOA capable). Works great in AR10, SCAR17, various bolt guns, Colt 901, etc.

You can increase the COAL to 2.8~ but you'll need another .3gr powder.



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Re: 308 Winchester
04/27/2015
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Lapua brass

44.1gr varget, Fed 210 with the 168 hybrid out of a SSG3000 showed .347 at 300m

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Re: 308 Winchester
04/28/2015
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I load 44 grains of 4064 with the 168 Berger Hybrid with good results. I shoot out of a factory Remington 7005r. I had poor results initially with the long throat. I kept thinking I needed to seat closer to the lands but in fact I had better luck jumping them further. I set my COL to 2.78 or 2.11 CBTO. I was getting about 2720 FPS at that load. I loaded up to Hodgdon's max upon initial pressure testing and worked up to 45 grains with velocities at 2800FPS out of a 24" barrel. I have some Varget and will try that next then let you know.

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Re: 308 Winchester
04/28/2015
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I realize I did not acknowledge your having Varget. I would probably load around the same @ 44 grains. I find Varget and 4064 to be similar in terms of charge weights. IE: for 175 Matchkings I load 44.5 Varget and 44.4 4064. When testing the 168 Hybrid with 4064 I got weird pressure results. At 44.5 I saw ejector swipes. At 45 grains I saw no pressure signs and great accuracy. The low node appeared to be around 44 and shot around 1/2" at 100 yards and 300, so I went with that given the pressure indications at 44.5. I want to try the 185 Hyrbid or OTM next granted the higher BC. At 2600FPS which should be attainable with Varget it performs much better at 1000.

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Re: 308 Winchester
05/01/2015
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Can I use the same data for 175 TMK as the SMK? Wanna start testing them. Should I use 4064 or H4895? Those are my two options.

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Re: 308 Winchester
05/02/2015
[HR][/HR]STILLER TAC 30, 28" 1:11.25 HV Bartlein. AICS
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Re: 308 Winchester
05/02/2015
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Anyone have a good load for imr 4064 and 190gr smk using lapua brass

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Re: 308 Winchester
05/03/2015
[HR][/HR]24" Schneider 1/12 barrel

175 SMK's
43.9 IMR 4064
Lapua brass
Fed210 primers

AV 2744
SD 5
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Re: 308 Winchester
05/03/2015
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Can I use the same data for 175 TMK as the SMK? Wanna start testing them. Should I use 4064 or H4895? Those are my two options.



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Re: 308 Winchester
05/09/2015
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In my opinion, the TMK and the SMK are two different designs and will not likely perform the same, as my rifle is telling me.
 
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308 Load
05/10/2015 Last edited 05/10/2015 by renomd
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Rifle: Sig Sauer SSG 3000, ADM SL-30 mount with 20 MOA cant, Vortex Viper PST 6-24 FFP.

Barrel length: 24 inches

Muzzle Brake: JEC

Brass: Hornady match once fired

Projectile: 175gr SMK

Primer: CCI 200

Powder: Varget 44.2 grains

CBTO/OGive length: 2.285 (please use a OAL gauge to determine this as it will be different on your SSG 3000 or other rifle)

Length to lands: Hornady OAL gauge 2.305

Brass prep: stainless steel wet tumbled (harbor freight), primer pockets uniformed, Lee FLS (on once fired... then lee collet neck die on fire formed brass), trimmed 2.008.

Avg velocity: 2625 fps

Standard deviation: +/- 6-15 (I know.... not the best but occasionally i get 10 round strings in the single digits as low as 6's)

5 Round groups... pretty regular bugholes @ 100 yd









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[TD]SSG 3000[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Washoe county[/TD]
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[TD]Wind[/TD]
[TD]8-10 mph[/TD]
[TD]9'oclock Full[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Distance (yd)[/TD]
[TD]Elevation[/TD]
[TD]Windage[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]100[/TD]
[TD]zero[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]200[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
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[TD]300[/TD]
[TD]-1.5 to -1.7[/TD]
[TD]0.5[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]400[/TD]
[TD]-2[/TD]
[TD]0.5[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]500[/TD]
[TD]-3[/TD]
[TD]0.7[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]600[/TD]
[TD]-4[/TD]
[TD]0.7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]700[/TD]
[TD]-5.5[/TD]
[TD]1.25-1.5[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]954[/TD]
[TD]-8.9[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
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Re: 308 Winchester
05/20/2015
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Re: 308 Winchester
05/24/2015 Last edited 05/24/2015 by JGB02
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So Dan Newberry has some good 308 loads: sniperforums.com/forum/reloading/43364-308-reloading-data-only.html

One that I tried today performed exceptionally well:

43.4gr of IMR 4064
175 SMK
Win/BHA brass
WLR
COL 2.800" (doesn't care how far it jumps)

2720 FPS out of a 24" barrel (Rem 700 5R). 1/2 MOA (basically a big ragged hole).

I would not put this load in a gas gun.

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Re: 308 Winchester
05/24/2015 Last edited 05/24/2015 by JGB02
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For a 308 gas gun (SP-10, 18" barrel):

168 BTHP (nolser cc)
43.2gr IMR 4064
WLR
Win brass
2.800"

2515 fps

1/2 MOA if you're a good gas gun shooter. B/N 1/2 - 1 MOA w/ a 10x scope very reliably for mere mortals.

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Re: 308 Winchester
05/25/2015
[HR][/HR]Figured I would add this for shits and giggles...

Norma Brass
175 SMK
210 Match Primers
42.9 grains of IMR4166 (yes the new powder)
Avg 2650 FPS so far at approx 80 degrees.


***This is a book max load. Work up to it***

As a side note this has been an impressive powder so far for me. Still testing
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Re: 308 Winchester
05/31/2015 Last edited 05/31/2015 by JGB02
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For a 308 gas gun (SP-10, 18" barrel):

175 SMK
42.2gr IMR 4064
WLR
Win brass
2.800"

~ 2425 fps ... yes, shooting big guys out of a gas gun means you're the fat boy on a race track. You want more speed, use 155s or a bolt gun.

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Re: 308 Winchester
06/01/2015 Last edited 06/06/2015 by ArmyJerry
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175 TMK Load results, 24 inch Kreiger 11.25 twist LRI build, Varget , Lapua, Wolf, 175 TMK.

The 43.8 at 20 off the lands looks best, 2.133 to the ogive, this puts me 20 off on this particular rifle (max to ogive is 2.153), dont mimic this measurement unless you determine what the max length is to the ogive on your rifle. COAL 2.855







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Re: 308 Winchester
06/06/2015 Last edited 06/06/2015 by Aimsmall55
[HR][/HR]I took my 43.5 Varget , 185 juggernaut load out today and shot a little. Got my BEST group past 600 yards since I've had the rifle.
671 yards. 4.7 mils with a 123 yard zero. ( yes I know 123 yards sounds weird , but it puts me at exactly in line with my G2DMR reticle at 4,5,6,7,&850 yards. )

Quite naturally , I painted targets for 30 minutes from 600 to 1,000 and by the time I just started shooting , it began POURING rain. But managed to get this pic in my scope. FOUR SHOTS. About 1 1/2" group.

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Re: 308 Winchester
06/23/2015
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After scouring this thread and the internet I am just going to ask for what nodes are there for the 175smk using imr 4895. I have lapua brass, 1-12 twist barrel at 25" long. I have been getting great accuracy at 40.0 gr even (1/4 moa) but it drops off past 200 yards and looking for a solid 500 yard load for f class tr

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Re: 308 Winchester
06/26/2015
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Anyone have any experience with a 16" barrel and 175 Sierra TMK's? I have tried IMR4064 and no luck. I have a Remington AAC 1/10 twist. Thank you

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Re: 308 Winchester
06/30/2015
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blakheaven wrote:
After scouring this thread and the internet I am just going to ask for what nodes are there for the 175smk using imr 4895. I have lapua brass, 1-12 twist barrel at 25" long. I have been getting great accuracy at 40.0 gr even (1/4 moa) but it drops off past 200 yards and looking for a solid 500 yard load for f class tr​
About 42 grains depending on your seating depth is what you are looking for.
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Re: 308 Winchester
07/07/2015
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I am running RL 15 at 41.9 and getting an avg of 2510 fps with A-Max 168. this is out of a 18" barrel. Has any one else tried this powder and with the bullet. I also noticed that when I use SMK 168 they print about 2" lower and the avg is about 125 to 150 FPS slower. This is with the same powder and charge.

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Re: 308 Winchester
07/11/2015
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I shot this load out of a semi-auto with an 11 twist 20 inch Rainier Arms Select barrel.

Hornady 155 BTHP (seated to mag length and crimped at the Cannulure)

Winchester brass

Wolf Large primer

46.2 grains of Winchester 748

Avg MV (ten shots) 2811 FPS

Extreme spread - 51

Standard Deviation 15

I didn't want to measure groups shot with the magnitospeed attached, but the group was concentric and centered on the target.

Next range trip I'll shoot three ten shot groups to get a good average group size.


 
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Re: 308 Winchester
07/11/2015 Last edited 07/12/2015 by palisocm001
[HR][/HR]Bartlien barrel 22" .299 bore 5R
175smk 2.920 COAL
44.2gr IMR 4064
3x fired Lapua brass
Federal gold match primers.
5 shots at 100 yards.

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Re: 308 Winchester
07/29/2015
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Anyone have any data from the new Sierra 155 TMK? If you could send that at 2900 it should do really well.

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Re: 308 Winchester
07/30/2015
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Need a little help getting loads started
AIAE mk2 24" barrel 308
Imr 4064 powder coco br2 primer
Virgin fed-LC 15 cases
155gr scenar and 190gr smk
46gr of powder fills the case all the way to the top of the neck

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Re: 308 Winchester
07/31/2015
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My load is getting on the hot side and has been checked on two different chronographs, but i didn't see another load with this much IMR 4064 so here it is.

Rifle...HS Precision HTR 308

Brass... Lapua

Powder... 45gr IMR 4064

Bullet... 175gr Sierra Matchking

Primer... CCI #200

This load has a six shot average of 2730fps, the fgmm primers drop off about 10fps.

Bullets ars seated to an overall length of 2.855 which is about .005 off of the rifling in my rifle.



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Re: 308 Winchester
08/06/2015 Last edited 08/06/2015 by NoNameTactical
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BobM2 wrote:

Has anyone used the Hornady 178 BTHP? I've got about 300 of them. I've got Varget, Rl-15, 4895, and some 748.​
I threw together a decent load that I'm going to continue working with.

178gr Hornady BTHP
41gr AR-Comp
.308 Lapua Palma
2.815"COL-2.175"(ogive)
Averaged 2650(will be doing more speed testing soon)
22" DT SRS-A1
Elevation - 6500ft

It was thrown together without really testing accuracy however when I zeroed the gun it was 1/2" 5 shot group at 100 yards. Zero pressure signs.

Stay tuned for more data from me using these projectiles and AR-Comp.

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Re: 308 Winchester
08/08/2015 Last edited 08/08/2015 by 5RWill
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Hornady 178gr BTHP match

45gr-45.2 Varget If you can go 45.5 with safe pressure go for it but it was too hot for me, but shot well.

Fed 210m

Nosler/Lapua brass

COAL 2.865

2700fps out of 24" factory 5R. Haven't chrono'd it yet at 20"



3 shots at 500yds. The low shot is a buddy of mine that shot after me.



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Re: 308 Winchester
08/09/2015
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Hornady 178gr BTHP match



45gr-45.2 Varget If you can go 45.5 with safe pressure go for it but it was too hot for me, but shot well.



Fed 210m



Nosler/Lapua brass



COAL 2.865



2700fps out of 24" factory 5R. Haven't chrono'd it yet at 20"







3 shots at 500yds. The low shot is a buddy of mine that shot after me.







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Re: 308 Winchester
08/14/2015
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Thanks Aimsmall. Man i couldn't pull my shit together today. Had one 5 shot group with one ragged hole for the first three, then a five shot group with one ragged hole for the first four. Wound up pulling some. I chrono'd it with the 30CB9.

Average was 2629fps out of 8 shots. I shot 9 but through away the first because it wasn't nearly as consistent as the rest. It was 2618. Thought i was going to lose a lot more going from 24 to 20"



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Re: 308 Winchester
08/18/2015 Last edited 08/19/2015 by BLS27
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FN SPR A1. 24" barrel

42.5 IMR 4064
FGMM brass
CCI 200
175 SMK
2.800 coal

2629 avg / 25ES / 9.8SD (magnetospeed v3) 5 shots in at .436"

Still working on seating depth with this, but i just switched to lapua brass so gonna rework the load again.

Ill have another one up soon when i do my work up with varget and hornady 178bthp

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Re: 308 Winchester
08/18/2015
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Anyone have any data on Berger 175g OTMs and IMR 4064?

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Re: 308 Winchester
08/19/2015
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What is the max load for 155 smk with varget & R15? Also h4895?

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Re: 308 Winchester
08/20/2015
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madarcher427 wrote:

What is the max load for 155 smk with varget & R15? Also h4895?​
I cant get Alliants powder guide to come up on my ipad so i cant help you there

Varget is 47g and 46 for H4985. hodgdonreloading.com

Make sure you start low and work up to that. Chances are you will find a more accurate load well under max.

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Re: 308 Winchester
08/20/2015
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Thank you!

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Re: 308 Winchester
08/27/2015
[HR][/HR]Has anyone tried XBR-8208? I've been using it with 155 smk's, better velocity than varget

Just curious that I havent seen it mentioned here
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Re: 308 Winchester
08/30/2015
[HR][/HR]Anyone have any pet loads for 185 Berger hybrids and 208 Amaxs using pp2000mr or IMr4895
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Re: 308 Winchester
08/31/2015
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sivispacemparabellum22 wrote: Anyone have any pet loads for 185 Berger hybrids and 208 Amaxs using pp2000mr or IMr4895​
This is from the old site

I looked back severral pages in this topic and couldnt find any loads for the berger 200 hybrid. I am thinking about loadig them for F-TR at 1k but would like to see if someone else has had luck with them before going through the work of building a load.

Any input would be greatly appreciated!

I'm the guy Aimsmall was talking about that shoots the 200s. It was the 185s i shot in the state match. I've shot them (200s) in two matches so far (Louisiana and Texas) and did really well with em. They shoot about the same as my 185 hybrid load at distance (300 yard and beyond) but the 185s group a tad better at 100 yard. At 300 yards in load developement they both shoot right at or under an inch group consistantly (5 shots) with not much vertical. If you can handle the recoil I would give em a whirl, they should do well at 1000 yard. With that being said i've only shot 600 yard FTR matches with them but feel confident that they would be fine at 1000. I did shoot the 185s at 1000 and they did very well. The 185 juggernauts shot well also with the same powder charge as the 185 hybrids but the rifle seems to like the hybrids a bit better for some reason and the BC is a hair higher so that doesn't hurt either.

The 200 gr load
46.3 gr Power Pro 2000MR
CCI BR2
2.240 base to ogive (jammed in lands in my rifle)
Lapua brass, unturned

The 185 hybrid load
47.6 gr Power Pro 2000MR
CCI BR2
2.210 Base to ogive
Lapua brass, unturned

The 200s are running about 2650 to 2675 depending on the weather/temps. The 185s are about 2800 to 2825.

28 inch Krieger with 11 twist barrel
Bat action
B & C Medalist A2 stock
Jewel trigger set at 8 oz
Nightforce 12 X 42 X 56mm NXS
Rifle weight 17.5 lb. with bipod attached

If anyone tries these loads please work up to it as all rifles are different and it may not be safe in yours. Its a pretty stiff but safe load in mine. The reamer used on this rifle has .123 freebore which is not really ideal for the 200s but I cant argue with the results so far.

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Am looking for same info,,, anyone?
Flint62a1 wrote: Has anyone tried XBR-8208? I've been using it with 155 smk's, better velocity than varget

Just curious that I havent seen it mentioned here​
 
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09/07/2015
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Finally got around to shooting a new load workup with Lapua brass, Varget, 175smk and CCI200 primers. According to Dan Newberry, 43.5 should be what I was looking for and he was spot on! Group came in around .394. Velocity average was 2677 and a SD of 8.3 for 5 shots. Rifle is an FN SPR A1. I'll play with seating depth next week and see if I can get this thing close to 1/4. I'll push it to 500/1000 yards after that.

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09/12/2015
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Anyone have any data from the new Sierra 155 TMK? If you could send that at 2900 it should do really well.​
I was able to get 2966 using CFE 223.

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09/12/2015
[HR][/HR]208 AMAX at 2.900". Lapua brass, fgm210 m. 46.1 Pp2000mr.
28" 1:11.25 twist. Stiller Tac 30 action. Shot .325" ctc.

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09/14/2015
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Great numbers/accuracy, Aimsmall!

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20 inch rock creek 5r 1/11.25
155 TMK
Lapua brass once fired
Federal primers
.050 off the lands

First load
42.7 grains AR Comp 5 rounds .5 inch outside to outside 2666 FPS

Second load
51 grain CFE 223 5 rounds .6 inch outside to outside 2904

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09/15/2015
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This is my match load and it replicates 175 FGMM perfectly in my gun. Same POI, same DOPE to 1000 yards, same group size, same velocity.

Rifle is Rem 700 5r Mil Spec cut to 20" with surefire brake and SOCOM silencer. 2557 fps is avg. velocity with can measured by magnetospeed.

FC case

210M primer

175 SMK seated to 2.815

41.3 gr. IMR 8208 XBR.

I usually shoot .5 - .7 MOA groups with this rifle using FGMM and have been replicating that performance using this load and have been able to hit to 1000 using same come up. I still have issues with some of my process so hopefully I can fine tune this load to shrink the groups a little more but I'm pretty happy with that from a factory rifle.

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09/16/2015
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That's my load out of my SPR. Stick with it. Best one yet. Was destroying Ivan's with it at 1100 yards constantly.

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Rifle: Savage 10, Criterion 308 Winchester 28" Bull, McRees Chassis, Vortex Razor HD Gen II 4.5-27x50
  • 155 Sierra Tipped Match King (Using Litz 0.238 G7)
  • Seated 0.060" off the lands
  • 44.4gr IMR 4064
  • Lapua Brass, Fired 3x and Annealed
  • Winchester Large Rifle
  • Velocity ~2890.
  • ES: Unk
  • SD: Unk


Have not chronographed, but have shot it out to 1000 twice now and using 0.238 G7 @ 2890fps gives me perfect elevation. Every single one of my misses would be off the center of the right or left edge from wind.

120 Yard group, first round was a called flyer when I jerked the trigger. The group itself is rounds 2-6 so it is a 5 shot.







Another range trip, cold bore shot after some dry fire time. Couldnt see the shot and had to wait and walk down range.







The next 5 shots after the cold bore. Slight wind, but steady. Would have made a nice group even adding in the cold bore.





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09/25/2015
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I recall on the old hide, reading that the pressure curve of Varget seems to cause AR's to be a little rough on brass. Such is the case with my OBR it seems. But, at the time I had four jugs of Varget stocked up so I wasn't about to change powder. Well, I'm running my stocks pretty low here; need to see if there is a better option.



So, question is, are there any powders that will give the performance of Varget with .308 but perhaps be a little more gentle on my brass?

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09/26/2015
[HR][/HR]I never tried Varget (I'm a newby) in my AR because I can't find it anywhere. I use RL-15 for my .223 and my wife's .308 (bolt gun) hunting loads. Her bolt gun likes 44.3 grains of RL-15 and 125gr pro hunters. They have little recoil and low velocity, 2473 ft/sec, but are very accurate. We are in South East Georgia where the deer are small and shots are normally less than 100 yards. I've got a friend that shoots BLC-2 in everything .223 and .308. I haven't asked him about the specifics though. It seems to work great for him and it is plentiful.

I have been shooting 185gr Berger VLD's with 47.5gr of 2000MR with a COAL of 2.930. I'm getting out of the single load stuff and would like to try Berger's 185 classic hunter. Does anybody have an idea what load of 2000MR would work with a SAAMI spec length or at least a length that will fit in a normal magazine?
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Re: 308 Winchester
09/29/2015
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New light recoil ball load with ball powder - easy loading on progressive press, decent accuracy, mild recoil impulse.



Hornady 150FMJ

Ramshot TAC 40.3

LC Match

CCI 400

seated mid cannelure

LFCD

46kpsi at 2425fps from 16" gas guns.



This is at node 7, about .960ms barrel time. Recoil is mild, accuracy is slightly above MOA with 4x ACOG and NF 1-4 scopes. At the next higher node, which would be fine in bolt guns, both gas guns were chewing up the brass pretty badly.

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Re: 308 Winchester
09/29/2015
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I recall on the old hide, reading that the pressure curve of Varget seems to cause AR's to be a little rough on brass. Such is the case with my OBR it seems. But, at the time I had four jugs of Varget stocked up so I wasn't about to change powder. Well, I'm running my stocks pretty low here; need to see if there is a better option.



So, question is, are there any powders that will give the performance of Varget with .308 but perhaps be a little more gentle on my brass?​




An adjustable gas block will do a lot to mitigate your circumstance. Most gas guns are over-gassed. The chambers can take the pressure, but with those big gas ports, you get excessive recoil, very high bolt velocity, premature unlocking, and trashed brass.
 
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10/02/2015
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Berger 155 Hybrid Targets
Lapua brass
FGM match primers

If you had a choice, would you go H4895, or Varget. Don't worry about availability. Shooting in Savage 10, new PDC Custom chassis.

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10/03/2015
[HR][/HR]178 AMAX at 2.225 to ogive. 43.0 IMR4064. Fgm210m. Lapua brass 1x , trimmed to 2.005" and sized with a .334 bushing. 2693 fps average with an SD of 4 out of 7 shots in a 28" 1:11.25 Bartlein. Shot 2 groups of 4 and 3 shots. .29 moa and .34 moa at 100 yards. 57 degrees Ferenheit.
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10/06/2015
[HR][/HR]Just got a new bottle of IMR 4166 and Sierra 175 TMK , Just would like to know does anyone have good result with IMR 4166 or 175TMK, it does not need to limit in 4166 and 175 TMK. BTW I will reload for Stiller's Spectre action, Bartlein 308 5R 26'' 1:11.25
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10/12/2015
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Jin308to408 wrote: Just got a new bottle of IMR 4166 and Sierra 175 TMK , Just would like to know does anyone have good result with IMR 4166 or 175TMK, it does not need to limit in 4166 and 175 TMK. BTW I will reload for Stiller's Spectre action, Bartlein 308 5R 26'' 1:11.25​
I've had good luck with 42.3 gr of 4166 and 175 smk/ 178amax

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10/14/2015 Last edited 10/14/2015 by palisocm001
[HR][/HR]Bartlien barrel 22" .299 bore 5R
175 Berger LRBT 2.950 COAL
44.2gr IMR 4064
7x fired Lapua brass
Federal gold match primers.
5 shots at 100 yards.

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10/18/2015
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I wanted to put this out there because I don't see a lot of load data for AR-Comp and maybe someone will one day be searching like I was for a recipe guideline one day.



41.5gr Alliant AR-Comp

CCI 200 primer

Lapua brass (virgin)

175 Sierra Matchking

2.820" OAL



Approximately 2,620 FPS from Accuracy International AX 20" Bartlein (1:10 twist)

(This was confirmed with dope to 940 yards at a class this past weekend)



My accuracy during load development was actually really good from about 41.2 grains up through 41.7, but the "tightest" group (0.277" at 100 yards) was with 41.5, so I stuck with it. At 42.0 I started to see distinct ejector swipe. I saw no need to try for any more. Nothing in any charge weight I tried was over 7/8", but it was noticeably tighter from 41.2 thru 41.7. I had no idea as to MV, so at my class we shot out to 940 yards and backed into the MV.



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10/25/2015
[HR][/HR]Anyone have a load for 155Amax's over 4064?
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shot out of savage 12, 18" 1 in 10" twist rate barrel. load achieved 2712fps average over a 5 shot spread with an sd of 4. accuracy was phenomal

-hornady 168 open tip match
-41.0 ar comp
-federal brass trimmed to 2.015
-federal standard LR primer
-coal 2.800 as to fit in any of my magazines

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11/14/2015
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I shoot a GAP Crusader as well I just got a month or so ago. Im shooting 155gn TMK hand loads. OAL is 2.950 and just fit inside the mag. I've loaded 43, 44, 45 and 46 grains of Varget using CCI BR-2 Large rifle primers with FL sized cases trimmed to 2.015. All 4 of those loads shot .25 to .375 @100y with the 45gn and 46gn loads doing the best. Going out tomorrow with the 45gn and 46gn loads in neck sized only fire formed cases to see how they do. I hope the do as well or better, I don't like FL sizing cases.

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11/15/2015 Last edited 11/15/2015 by DarksideSix
[HR][/HR]43.8 IMR 4064 pushing 175 SMK's in Lapua brass with Fed 210 primers.

AV of 2740 with an SD of 5 and an ES of 12




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11/22/2015
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I'm looking for loads for a 20" FN SPR 1 in 12 Twist using 8208XBR , bullet weights 155 g and up !, especially 162 & 168 g .

Brass & Primers used also , Thanks !

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11/24/2015
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I'm looking for loads for a 20" FN SPR 1 in 12 Twist using 8208XBR , bullet weights 155 g and up !, especially 162 & 168 g .

Brass & Primers used also , Thanks !​
I don't see many using that powder. You might be better off google'n the powder and bullets and see if you can get an idea.

That said, I would do an OCW test. This is going to be the best way to find the charge that your rifle likes. Once you find one, load up 5 shots in 1/10th grain increments around that node. So, say your 3 shot group of charge 43 grains impacted the best, I would load up 5 rounds of 42.8, 42.9, 43, 43.1 and 43.2.



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Re: 308 Winchester
12/04/2015
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My ftr load

31" 1:10.25 rot bartlein, .340 nk .199 fb

berger 200 gr hybrid pointed

lapua brass

nk turned to .013

fed 210m

44.80 gr varget

2.345 bto or .010 off

2730 fps

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12/05/2015
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Can anyone help me with a velocity guess.
I have a factory 700 sps tactical with a 20" barrel 1:10" twist, my load is 175gr smk being pushed by 43.4 gr of varget.

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Re: 308 Winchester
12/10/2015
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2500+ is my guess. 43.5 pushing a 175 out of my 10 twist 24" is moving 2620.

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12/10/2015
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Posting for posterity

41.7 4064 pushing 175 SK out of 24 inch 10 twist Krieger LRI bolt gun

41.6 4064 pushing 178 PBT same rifle

Both LC brass full prep, powder loaded accuracy is from a Chargmaster, primer is CCI 7.62 mil



Both rounds shoot right at 1/2 inch out of the bolt gun and slightly larger groups, maybe 5/8th - 3/4 out of my 20 inch AR. Two very good all around loads.

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12/10/2015
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ArmyJerry wrote:
Posting for posterity

41.7 4064 pushing 175 SK out of 24 inch 10 twist Krieger LRI bolt gun

41.6 4064 pushing 178 PBT same rifle

Both LC brass full prep, powder loaded accuracy is from a Chargmaster, primer is CCI 7.62 mil



Both rounds shoot right at 1/2 inch out of the bolt gun and slightly larger groups, maybe 5/8th - 3/4 out of my 20 inch AR. Two very good all around loads.​
I've got similar results with 41.7 4064, 175 smk, LC brass, GM210M fired from 24" Remington 700 5r rifle. 5 rounds 0.500" at 100 meters, rest of the target was re-zeroing scope (removed spuhr mount to clean) and fouling shots. I had finally cleaned out EVERY last bit of copper and fouling after 1700 rounds of 43.5-45 gr of varget. took almost 30 rounds to re-foul the bore, but finally gave me something to smile about!

I bought a chargemaster on cyber monday, and then this weekend picked up 6 pounds of 8208 XBR. Was going to do a ladder test starting at 39.6 increasing by 0.4gr until 42.6 gr. Unless someone else has other suggestions?

I ordered a Labradar from a well known dealer in Canada on Monday, they shipped Tuesday (xpresspost) I should get it today!! So this weekend the ladder test will be well documented.




 
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12/11/2015
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Can anyone help me with a velocity guess.
I have a factory 700 sps tactical with a 20" barrel 1:10" twist, my load is 175gr smk being pushed by 43.4 gr of varget.

Out of the same rifle with 43.5 Varget pushing 175s from LC brass with CCI 200s was giving me 2530 and shot great.

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12/11/2015
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My 700 AAC-SD gets 2544 from 43.5 Varget, 210M, 175 Berger in Lapua brass.

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12/14/2015 Last edited 12/14/2015 by BLS27
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FN SPR

178 BTHP (15 thou off lands) - 44.4 grains of Varget - Lapua brass - CCI200 primers. Pulled the last shot. Chrono'd at 2698 avg



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43.5 varget, cci 200, lapua brass
175 smk .020 jump
moon built GAP 700
20" m24 rock creek 1:11.25
velocity 2607 fps (confimed to 1000) SD 9

1000 yard group


100 yd groups


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12/17/2015
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Sweet! Thank you!!

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12/28/2015
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01/22/2016
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out of a 24" 2013 AI AX 308 with 1:12 LW factory barrel



Optimus Projectiles 155Gn Dyer HBC

46.0 of AR 2208 (varget)

Lapua HPS brass or ADI (93) brass.

Fed 210 Large rifle primer

COAL 2.890"



data from 12 shots:


Shots: 12
Max : 2901
Min : 2871
ES : 30
Avg : 2883
SD : 9
1: 2884
2: 2874
3: 2880
4: 2880
5: 2886
6: 2874
7: 2871
8: 2887
9: 2891
10: 2877
11: 2894
12: 2901



this load has done very well for me out to 900 so far .

drop chart looks like:





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01/27/2016
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> Aimsmall55 wrote:> 178 AMAX at 2.225 to ogive. 43.0 IMR4064. Fgm210m. Lapua brass 1x , trimmed to 2.005" and sized with a .334 bushing. 2693 fps average with an SD of 4 out of 7 shots in a 28" 1:11.25 Bartlein. Shot 2 groups of 4 and 3 shots. .29 moa and .34 moa at 100 yards. 57 degrees Ferenheit.

Just curious. What COAL on that?

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01/28/2016
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> Aimsmall55 wrote:> 178 AMAX at 2.225 to ogive. 43.0 IMR4064. Fgm210m. Lapua brass 1x , trimmed to 2.005" and sized with a .334 bushing. 2693 fps average with an SD of 4 out of 7 shots in a 28" 1:11.25 Bartlein. Shot 2 groups of 4 and 3 shots. .29 moa and .34 moa at 100 yards. 57 degrees Ferenheit.



Just curious. What COAL on that?

If I remember correctly it's about 2.855" coal.
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02/06/2016
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Looking for a starting point for 200Gr Berger Hybrids and RL 17



Thank you in advance

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02/07/2016
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AO .308,22inch 1/11.25 Bartlein M24. Lapua brass,175 SMK,42.6 imr 4064,2.200 to ogive. 2648fps avg with s-d of 6 over 10 shots. 210 primer.

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H-S Precision HTR - Krieger M24 contour, 24', 1/11,25 twist

Powder: Reload Swiss RS50 - 44,5 gr

Lapua Scenar L 155 gr

Federal 210M primers

300 meters 5 shots group



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02/21/2016
[HR][/HR]Hey, in the good ol' .308, what bullets these days are proving to be jump-tolerant?

Wondering because the guys who rebarreled my service rifle left the throat about as long as the first one was. Mag-length ain't very close to the lands...
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02/25/2016
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OldFartt wrote: Hey, in the good ol' .308, what bullets these days are proving to be jump-tolerant?


Wondering because the guys who rebarreled my service rifle left the throat about as long as the first one was. Mag-length ain't very close to the lands...

175gr SMK and TMK seem to be very jump tolerant. I get little POI deviation out to 600 yards with as much as 0.010" variance.







BHA Brass 2.005"
43.0gr IMR 4064
2.815" COAL
CCI200 Primer
175gr SMK

Shoots 2.79" Center to Center at 565 yards.

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[HR][/HR]Thanks for that info.

Anyone have data on longer jumps, like .110?

At least it ain't like that .25 jump I found in my son's brand-new Rem 700 in .308. I'm not sure that even 1960s-era uber-Magnums had that much "freebore".

My mag-length loads are jumping .08, BTW. I could maybe cut that by .02 to .060. Might have to limit myself to plastic-tip ammo doing that. Metal magazines and all. Had trouble with 168 SMKs on the prior barrel when I was pushing the limits of mag length. The meplats dug into the front of one mag and it just wouldn't feed.

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Re: 308 Winchester
02/29/2016
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Does anyone have any data for something like 200Gr bullets out of a 20 inch barrel over something like IMR 4064 or IMR 4166? I want to see what kinds of velocities I can get before I cut a barrel.

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02/29/2016
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MarkLeupold wrote:
Does anyone have any data for something like 200Gr bullets out of a 20 inch barrel over something like IMR 4064 or IMR 4166? I want to see what kinds of velocities I can get before I cut a barrel.​
Not published as far as I know.

Merely an estimate from a computer program.

YOUR case capacity might be more or less than the 56 grains of water I used.

Hornady 208 A-Max shows absolute MAX with 4064 at 70° F as 41.1 grains giving 2376 fps.

Same load, 22-in barrel predicts 2420 fps. 24-inch, 2459. 26, 2494.

YMMV. Do not use. Verify with multiple sources and work up. IME, squared off primer radius when the cartridge is properly fitted to the chamber = over SAAMI spec.
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Re: 308 Winchester
02/29/2016
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OldFartt wrote: Thanks for that info.

Anyone have data on longer jumps, like .110?

At least it ain't like that .25 jump I found in my son's brand-new Rem 700 in .308. I'm not sure that even 1960s-era uber-Magnums had that much "freebore".​
Umm...yeah, did a measurement on mine the other day, pretty much same. I haven't done anything to the rifle and it has the same massive freebore. No idea why there would be so much, but hey, I'm not an engineer yet so I'm not calling the shots. What kind of detriment or benefit would there be to that much freebore? I wanted to mess with it and start loading to .015 off the lands and then my magazine said, "NOPE!"

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Re: 308 Winchester
03/01/2016
[HR][/HR]Well, my son tried loading out to get closer to the lands on that R700...and by the time the ogive was touching, there was only about 1/16-inch.,0625 of the bearing surface left inside the case neck.

There's long-loading for the single shot dance, then there's getting ridiculously close to the old [I'm sure I read about something like this being done 100+ years ago...] trick of putting the bullet in the throat, putting the muzzle up, and chambering the charged case.

We never pushed the accuracy search that far. But we did enough to reliably conclude that the factory barrel would NOT shoot better than...something rather lacklusterl Maybe it was 1.75 MOA, 2 MOA or something. Quite disappointing for a rig bedded into a $400 dollar stock, Seekins base, somebody's good rings, and a decent quality Vortex Viper scope.

IN the 1960s Magnum craze, a lot of freebore was a trick to get velocities up, way up, supposedly without running as much of a risk of pressure problems. Back then a lot of people were satisfied with 2-3 MOA for their big sticks, 'cause they weren't 1,000-yard target guns. Or so they said.
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Re: 308 Winchester
03/01/2016
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Any idea where I should start my loads using 175 gr VLD's, lapua brass, gm210m primers and varget or 4064?

I was pretty damn happy with 41.7gr of 4064 behind a 175 SMK. How similar are VLD's and SMK's?

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Re: 308 Winchester
03/02/2016
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OldFartt wrote: Well, my son tried loading out to get closer to the lands on that R700...and by the time the ogive was touching, there was only about 1/16-inch.,0625 of the bearing surface left inside the case neck.

There's long-loading for the single shot dance, then there's getting ridiculously close to the old [I'm sure I read about something like this being done 100+ years ago...] trick of putting the bullet in the throat, putting the muzzle up, and chambering the charged case.

We never pushed the accuracy search that far. But we did enough to reliably conclude that the factory barrel would NOT shoot better than...something rather lacklusterl Maybe it was 1.75 MOA, 2 MOA or something. Quite disappointing for a rig bedded into a $400 dollar stock, Seekins base, somebody's good rings, and a decent quality Vortex Viper scope.

IN the 1960s Magnum craze, a lot of freebore was a trick to get velocities up, way up, supposedly without running as much of a risk of pressure problems. Back then a lot of people were satisfied with 2-3 MOA for their big sticks, 'cause they weren't 1,000-yard target guns. Or so they said.​
Well, and then there's another 700 we have, a little older, in 7mm-08. We picked it up at a gun show with handloads the guy had for it, and that rifle has pulled a couple bullets out of the casings on extraction, like it's got almost no freebore. And the cartridges aren't loaded uber-long. The thing about it is that I'm putting a new stock on my rifle (the .308) and I'll see what I can get accuracy to do. If it shoots pretty decently, I'll shoot the barrel out. If the groups aren't really that pretty, I'll rebarrel (which I intended on doing anyway).

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Re: 308 Winchester
03/08/2016 Last edited 03/08/2016 by Dave62677
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Berger 185gr Juggernaut
Lapua Brass
Varget 43.7gr

.020 jump
CCI BR primer
Turned Neck
.002 Neck Tension
avg 2725 fps out of my 27" (Magneto Sport)

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Re: 308 Winchester
03/10/2016 Last edited 03/14/2016 by Maxyim
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Re: 308 Winchester
03/10/2016
[HR][/HR]Beginner reloading question. So in all the reloading books the are using a 22" or 24" barrel length for their "test" barrel. This is part of what they use to figure out the min/max loads for a given powder. How does that compare to loading for an 18" barrel in an AR10. I believe most to the test guns are bolt action.
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Re: 308 Winchester
03/11/2016 Last edited 06/14/2016 by 94rangerusa
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Anyone have a load combo with either 178gr AMAX or 178gr BTHP using IMR 4895?

Going to be shooting out of a SRS-A1 w/ 22" 1:11 factory barrel.

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Re: 308 Winchester
03/14/2016
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Wow, so disappointed at how slow these boards move. Going to take my question elsewhere, sorry.

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Re: 308 Winchester
03/14/2016
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[HR][/HR]Best load I've found so far in my light barreled hunting rig. 5 shots. OAL is base to ogive using Sinclair 'hex nut" bullet comparator. Charges were thrown, not weighed.

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Re: 308 Winchester
03/15/2016
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Maxyim wrote:
Wow, so disappointed at how slow these boards move. Going to take my question elsewhere, sorry.​
Take a tissue with you

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Re: 308 Winchester
03/15/2016
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Maxyim , patience is a virtue , strive to be virtuous !

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Re: 308 Winchester
03/27/2016 Last edited 03/27/2016 by rustys13
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Hey guys I got a couple boxes of the eld-x 200gn I am looking for a good load using varget. My big hold back is my max coal is 2.890 I am thinking of working up load development in .5 gn increments from 37-42 I think compressed loads will start around 41. Has anyone played with these yet? My current load for juggernauts is great but I stumbled across these two boxes and figured I would give them a shot.

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Re: 308 Winchester
03/28/2016 Last edited 03/28/2016 by rustys13
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I ended up loading 37.5-42gn I got a tiny bit of compression at 41.5 so I bumped the 42 gn loads to 2.895oal. So all of them are jumping. 0.013 but the 42gn are jumped. 008. I will do a ladder test at 500 yards and check back in. I have a 26" factory savage 10fp really hoping to see 2500fps and no pressure signs at 42gn but I have a feeling ill be sitting around 41gn and 2350.

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Re: 308 Winchester
04/05/2016
[HR][/HR]700 Varmint 308 26" 1:12

168gr A-Max
44.4gr Varget
Hornady brass
WLR
2713fps

168gr A-Max
42.4gr 8208XBR
Winchester brass
WLR
2676fps
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Re: 308 Winchester
04/08/2016
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175 SMK 2.80" OAL, Don't have CBTO in front of me right now
43 Grains IMR 4166 (work up, this is over max load, showed no pressure signs for me)
CCI Primers
HSM virgin brass 2.005"
Ruger Precision, no brake or suppressor yet, NF SHV 5-20x56 from bench with Atlas bipod and rear bag

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Re: 308 Winchester
04/08/2016
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Does anyone have load data for the new 178 ELD, preferably with varget?

Im going to give those new bullets a try and was wondering what others are working them up to.

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Re: 308 Winchester
04/08/2016
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I haven't found any to load yet but if I do I'll post it

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Re: 308 Winchester
04/09/2016
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Thanks :)

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Re: 308 Winchester
04/10/2016 Last edited 04/10/2016 by rustys13
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Savage 10fp 26"
Hornady eld-x 200gr
Hornady brass neck sized
Varget
Cci br2

I shot 3 ten shot strings with 10 minutes of cool down between them. I started from low to high and then alternated each string. 500 yds, Da:2378

38gr was the best vertical with only 2.5" and a 3 shot "group" of 4.3" but was very slow at roughly 2250fps? Estimated off of 14.5mins. 2.240 cbto. .013 jump

39.5gr barely noticeable primer crater.

41 gr slight compression at 2.240cbto distinct crater

42 gr 2.245 cbto . 008 jump. slight compression. distinct crater, flattened primer, however no ejector mark. Also second best "group" with 3" vertical. It reached my speed goal at roughly 2550fps based off of 10.2 Mins.

I am tempted to run a few at 42gr and see how they shoot out a little further. But that's a very high pressure load.

Hope this helps for anyone looking for 200gn eldx info for 308.

Cheers, Rusty

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Re: 308 Winchester
04/10/2016 Last edited 04/10/2016 by rustys13
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Savage 10fp
Hornady neck sized brass
Cci br2
43.5 gr Varget
185gr berger juggernaut.
No pressure signs.
2.230 cbto .023 jump

It's more accurate than my stock savage barrel and I can shoot.

31.5 mins at 1000
roughly 2700fps confirmed to 800.

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Re: 308 Winchester
04/13/2016
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Re: 308 Winchester
05/03/2016
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Just curious, has anyone tried the Barnes match burner 175s?

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Re: 308 Winchester
05/08/2016
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Did some load testing yesterday. Tried CFE223 for the first time. Also honed in some loads for a 4064/Berger 185BTLR combo that had showed promise befoore. Also tried some N540 with the same 185 berger.

Rifle - Tooley Orion (Stiller Predator), Hart 24" 1:12 twist #7 contour in a Manners MCS-GAT. Using a Bushnell XRS 4.5-30x. My groups could've been a little better if I had used a different bullseye. I drew small black circles on paper and found that I cou'dn't really see the small dot in the crosshairs against that black dot. Next time I'll draw hollow circles to provide better contrast. Also I lost a few chrono numbers due to the guy next to me shooting with a muzzle brake. It was interfering with my chrono. So a few 5 shot strings only recorded 3 or 4 numbers for ES and SD purposes.

Conditions - 100 yard range, 83 deg, Dens. Altitude 1750 ft, breeze at 120 deg relative, from 5-12mph, shooting from a Hart front rest.



Load group 1 - CFE223, Berger 168 Hybrid, Wolf LR primers, Lapua brass - 4x fired, never annealed, 2.152 CBTO - which is .015 jump, 2.839 COAL

47.0 gr - 2815 fps avg, ES-22, SD-9.6, group - 0.512

47.5 gr - 2845 fps avg, ES-14, SD-5.4, group - 0.770

48.0 gr - 2881 fps avg, ES-50, SD-20.6, group - 0.672 (one round had slightly sticky bolt lift)

48.5 gr - 2917 fps avg, ES-33, SD-13.5, group -1.20 (sevral sticky bolt lifts. ) So this is the top end for my rifle. If I test this combo any more, it'll be at a lower node, maybe 46-47.5 range.



Load Group 2 - IMR4064, Berger 185BTLR, Wolf primers, Lapua brass, 2.190 CBTO - .020 jump, 2.847 COAL

44.3 gr - 2712 fps avg, ES-11, SD-5.5, group - 0.442

44.5 gr - 2732 fps avg, ES-13, SD-6.7, group - 0.573

44.7 gr - 2732 fps avg, ES-13, SD-6.0, group - 0.514 (4 shots clustered at 0.300", 5th shot touching but opened group up to 0.514)

44.9 gr - 2730 fps avg, ES-33, SD-13.5, group - 0.690 (another tight cluster with one flier)

some slight pressure signs at 44.9 like slight ejector marks/wiping, but primers look normal, bolt lift was normal. Probably no need to test above this limit. 44.5-44.7 looks like my node. Just need to do more testing for groups, to elimnate the errors from the numnuts behind the scope.



Load Group 3 - N540, Berger BTLR, same dimensions as above

43.0 gr - 2650 fps avg, ES-49, SD-22.3, group - 0.595

43.5 gr - 2657 fps avg, ES-45, SD-19.8, group - 0.207 (probably got a little lucky)

44.0 gr - 2707 fps avg, ES-31, SD-13.8, group - 0.792

No real pressure signs. Not sure I'll try this combo any more, disappointed in ES and SD's.







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Re: 308 Winchester
05/09/2016 Last edited 05/09/2016 by Aimsmall55
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Custom Built .308. 28" HV 1:11.25 bartlein
Tac 30 action in aics.
208 amax @ 2.225 to ogive. Lapua brass
FGM210m
45 grains PP2000MR
200 yards
First 4 went in same hole. Blew it on the 5th

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Re: 308 Winchester
05/09/2016
[HR][/HR]Doh!

Were you the same person who posted a while back (6-8mo) on using the 2000 powder and the 185 juggs? Picking up where I left off last season with that. The 208's sound interesting as well. Would you mind posting some load performance specs??
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Re: 308 Winchester
05/14/2016 Last edited 05/14/2016 by LaughingJackal1
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155gr Nosler
44.2gr Ramshot TAC
IMI Match Virgin Brass (2.010 Length)
CCI Large Rifle Primer
Total OAL 2.800

Average Velocity 2,535fps
Standard Deviation for 10 shot string, with rest between shot 5, was 9.67fps.
All velocity measurements taken with a labradar chrono. Temperature was around 60 degrees with a density altitude of around 1,750 as measured by the Kestrel.



I developed this load specifically for my Aero Precision AR308 I built, and it has a 16" Rainier Ultra-match barrel with SpecWar can. I chose the 155gr noslers because they're relatively cheap, and I've had good luck with their 77gr for my 223. I chose the 155gr specifically because my barrel is so short, I was hoping I could make up some velocity with the lighter bullets.



Why RamShot TAC? Well, I wanted to be able to load all this on a Dillon 550, as I don't want to spend a ton of time on loading ammo for a Semi-Auto that I'm going to blow through. Plus, this is the same powder I use for 223, so it's nice to stick to one powder sometimes. RamShot TAC meters extremely well in the Dillon, and gives very consistent drops.



I'm holding about MOA, or even a hair under with this load, and I can load them pretty quick on the Dillon. Kind of untraditional, but seems to work pretty well.





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Re: 308 Winchester
05/19/2016
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Velocity?

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--- Aimsmall55 wrote:


Custom Built .308. 28" HV 1:11.25 bartlein
Tac 30 action in aics.
208 amax @ 2.225 to ogive. Lapua brass
FGM210m
45 grains PP2000MR
200 yards
First 4 went in same hole. Blew it on the 5th



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Re: 308 Winchester
05/19/2016
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20" 11.25 twist with imr4064 and 178 hpbt



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Re: 308 Winchester
05/19/2016
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Anybody try 155 Amax and 8208XBR? Lapua brass. I'd like to try it this weekend.

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Re: 308 Winchester
05/21/2016
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I'll stick with Varget. I see on reloaders nest a load of 44.9. I'll work up to that.

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Re: 308 Winchester
05/22/2016
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44.9 of Varget appears to be the recipe! At 200 yards I shot 3 rounds and got 2 holes. 155 Amax and Wolf primers. New Lapua brass. I'll go 5 shots and tweak seating next.

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Re: 308 Winchester
05/23/2016
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Dave62677 wrote:
Berger 185gr Juggernaut
Lapua Brass
Varget 43.7gr

.020 jump
CCI BR primer
Turned Neck
.002 Neck Tension
avg 2725 fps out of my 27" (Magneto Sport)​
I'm shooting that exact same load out of my R700 20" (cut down from 26") 1/12 and getting 2630 fps

I'm loading to 2.820" to fit in my Magpul mags and that gives me about a .110" jump lol

It's getting just over .5 moa groups though!
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Re: 308 Winchester
05/24/2016
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MPtrooper wrote:
Does anyone have load data for the new 178 ELD, preferably with varget?

Im going to give those new bullets a try and was wondering what others are working them up to.​
43 grains of VARGET seated .018 off lands has worked well in my SPR . No chrono yet so I can't say what the fps is but it produced 1/2 moa . No pressure signs !

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Re: 308 Winchester
05/26/2016
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Alpha mags. And a notched feed ramp. Load out to 2.950 with a bit of room

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Re: 308 Winchester
06/03/2016
[HR][/HR]Tag. Awesome info
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Re: 308 Winchester
06/19/2016
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Re: 308 Winchester
07/03/2016
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44.2 R15. 4 shots 185 juggernaut. 2.205 to ogive Lapua brass.

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Re: 308 Winchester
07/03/2016 Last edited 07/03/2016 by djarecke
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Geeze, AimSmall!!! Do you ever shoot a group out of the .1 or .2's?

I am going to work up a load for the 185 jugs as well. I just ordered up a 28" Bartlett from PVA.

What have you found to work best for the 185's? I've got some Varget, R15 and 4064.

Great shooting!

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Re: 308 Winchester
07/05/2016
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Aimsmall55 wrote:
44.2 R15. 4 shots 185 juggernaut. 2.205 to ogive Lapua brass.

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What MV/ES/SD are you seeing with RL15 and the Jugs?

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Re: 308 Winchester
07/06/2016
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cg1shark69 wrote:
Aimsmall55 wrote:

44.2 R15. 4 shots 185 juggernaut. 2.205 to ogive Lapua brass.

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What MV/ES/SD are you seeing with RL15 and the Jugs?​
Haven't chronod yet. Just picked up a Labradar to play with. Going to double check with my magnetospeed v2 as well. Will post results

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Re: 308 Winchester
07/06/2016
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djarecke wrote:

Geeze, AimSmall!!! Do you ever shoot a group out of the .1 or .2's?

I am going to work up a load for the 185 jugs as well. I just ordered up a 28" Bartlett from PVA.

What have you found to work best for the 185's? I've got some Varget, R15 and 4064.

Great shooting!​
Lol.... Hell yeah I do... Just don't post them ?
Honestly I've had GREAT luck with 43.3 and 43.5 grains of varget. Out of my 28" bartlein I'm at 2700 fps.
This was kind of me trying out R15. I've always used varget. But I'm going to chrono tomorrow and I'll report back.

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Re: 308 Winchester
07/14/2016
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HOG83 wrote:

Just curious, has anyone tried the Barnes match burner 175s?​
I have shot a bunch of those bullets out of my Savage. Decent consistency, weights fluctuate +-.5 grain.

I load 42.2gr IMR4064, overall length 2.95". Velocity after truing on Shooter is 2640fps. Federal cases and WLR primers.

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Re: 308 Winchester
07/18/2016
[HR][/HR]Got this rifle up for sale in the Firearms For Sale page. It's a hammer. All the groups listed here are from that particular rifle. Pm if interested.

Anyhow , here's all my load data from that rifle that I've managed to accumulate.

AICS .308

46 pp2000 208 AMAX. 1.532" long.
@ 2.980.
1) 2676
2) 2645
3) 2676. 1/3 moa

46.3
1)2676
2)2708
3)2678 > 1/2 moa

48.0 168 Hybrid
2.220 to ogive.
2855 fps. 1/2 or a little bigger.

208 amax
47.3 r17
2.961"
2.207 to ogive
1/3 moa
2649 fps @ 59 degrees

AICS .308---

47.0 pp2000mr. 2.207 to ogive. I 185 juggernaut. LAPUA brass. YjyF210m. 2830 fps in 92 F. 2776 in 30 For

42.0 IMR 4064. 2.218 to ogive. 178 amax. 2680 fps.

208 amax
47.3 r17
2.961"
2.207 to ogive
1/3 moa
2649 fps @ 59 degrees

43.6 IMR 4064. Berger 185 juggernaut. 2.208 to ogive.

43.5 varget , 185 Juggernaut @ 2.208 to ogive. 2685 fps. GO TO!!!

***47 Pp2000mr. 208 AMAX Hornady Match Brass. 2731 fps. ***
1) 2742
2) 2742
3) 2724
4) 2742
ES- 18
SD-9

43.0 imr 4064. 178 AMAX. 2.225 to ogive. Lapua 1x and trimmed. .334 bushing. Fgm210m. 60 degrees.
1) 2691
2) 2689
3)2685
4)2691
5)2685
6)2696
ES 11
Sd 4
Average 2689

44.34 varget 178 AMAX. 2.225"
2734 fps. .18 moa

44.8 IMR 4064 w/ a 168 hybrid at 2.820
1/4 moa

10-18-15

42.5 Varget , 208 AMAX. Lapua brass. 2.890" 1/2 moa. NO OP AT ALL.

210 smk. 42.0 varget. 2.220 to ogive. 1/2 moa.

185 juggernaut (500 lot )
1x fired Lapua .334 bushing. 1.614" to shoulder.
43.5 varget. 2.217 to ogive or just clear of mag lip. .25 moa. 2670 fps.

AICS. .308 loads

42.0 IMR 4064. 178 amax at 2.227 to ogive. Lapua brass. Fgm210m. Shoulder bumped to 1.616.5. .334 bushing. 1 hole. (2.855")

47.0 pp2000mr. 185 juggernaut. At 2.865" 2830 fps.

43.5 Varget, fire formed Lapua, 185 juggernaut at 2.218 to ogive. 1/4 moa. 2685 fps. Es of 6


43.0 Varget. Lapua. 210 SMK at mag length. 1/2 moa.

44.2 R15. 185 juggernaut , 2.207", 1/2 moa. 2720 fps.
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Re: 308 Winchester
07/26/2016
[HR][/HR]Nice job. What app/program is this?

Phil
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Re: 308 Winchester
07/27/2016
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Nice job. What app/program is this?

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Ballistic AE app on IPhone
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Re: 308 Winchester
07/27/2016
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Thank you Aimsmall!



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Re: 308 Winchester
07/30/2016 Last edited 07/30/2016 by Chelette
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I'm a little late on your post, but I am trying some out now. I have a 20" Remington 700 AAC-SD 1:10 twist. It loves 178 amax but I wanted to see what speed I could get with the 155 TMK out of the 20". Now I need to shoot some more and see how they group.

Federal GMM brass

47.0 gr Varget

155 TMK

CCI Primers

2825 fps

rickmcu wrote:
Anyone have any data from the new Sierra 155 TMK? If you could send that at 2900 it should do really well.​




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Re: 308 Winchester
08/01/2016 Last edited 08/01/2016 by jhayesvw
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Thanks Chelette.
I just came in here for some 155 TMK or 155smk Palma data.

Varget is very similar to Reloader 15. So I'll drop 4 grains and work up.

Anyone else have 155 data with Varget or Reloader 15?

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Re: 308 Winchester
08/06/2016
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[HR][/HR]6 shots 700 yards. 28" 1:11.25 twist HV Bartlein with a 185 Juggernaut at 2.210 to ogive @ 2670 fps and 43.5 varget. Lapua brass, Fgm210m.

5.25 mils with 100 yard zero. 6 shots at 700


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Re: 308 Winchester
08/22/2016
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Im looking for some 168 tmk loads. My go to load now is 168smk, Lapua brass cci 200 primers, 44.5 varget at 2.8 COAL.. I tried just transfering the load over to the TMK bullets but didn't work out so well. Rifle is a 20" SPS tactical factory barrel with the 1/11.25 twist. I have read that the 168tmk is jump sensitive ? Looking for someone who has made the switch. thanks. Also I thought I posted this last night or so I thought but cant seem to locate it. So if this is double post my apolagies.

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Re: 308 Winchester
08/27/2016
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Jhays
2.005 trim win brass
2.80 oal
Br2 primmer
46.2 r-15
155smk/155 laupua scener L
2955 24" barrel

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Re: 308 Winchester
10/03/2016 Last edited 10/03/2016 by jarhead1077
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155 Sierra TMK
44.8g H4895
Lapua Brass fired 2X
Federal GM210M
Seated 0.010" jump (2.899 COAL)
Rifles is Savage Model 10 FCP HS Precision .308, 24" barrel with 10 twist.
Chrono 2894 fps Avg. with 2 ten shot groups and 0.5 avg MOA @ 600 yds
Not a whole lot of info on 155 TMK on net so just trying to add to that.

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Re: 308 Winchester
10/23/2016 Last edited 10/24/2016 by dirtdartmk2
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Shot this one this morn. Have seen some go to 51.0. Going to go up tell i hit some kind of pressure. Powder was imr 8280xbr and a 130 barnes ttsx. I know it is a three shot group but you can get an idea where the node is. Shot from a 700 5r with a 24" barrel.



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Re: 308 Winchester
11/06/2016
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Anybody want to share their pet load out of a gas gun with 20" bbl. I picked up a JP LRP-07 earlier this year and I'm looking for a good development load to start with...



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Re: 308 Winchester
11/08/2016 Last edited 11/08/2016 by predatornut
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Nosler 190 Accubond long range
Winchester brass
CCI 200
42.4 Varget
Seated .050 off lands (per recommendation on Nosler site)
.5 moa out to 700 yards
5.7 mils drop at 700.
out of a Savage 10FCP-SR 24" barrel.

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Re: 308 Winchester
12/02/2016
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nations1017 wrote:
Anybody want to share their pet load out of a gas gun with 20" bbl. I picked up a JP LRP-07 earlier this year and I'm looking for a good development load to start with...

my pet load for my 16" gas gun was

Win case (full prep) 2.005"

cci br2

48gr 2000mr

168 amax 2.815"

2600ft/sec avg.



note: was over gassed, ended up running a vltor a4 buffer tube with a slash buffer, and sprinco red spring.

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Re: 308 Winchester
12/14/2016 Last edited 12/14/2016 by TackDriverr
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IMR 4064 42.8 grains, CCI 200, Lapua brass, 178 grain ELD-Match

Varget 42.6 grains, CCI 200, Lapua brass, 178 grain ELD-Match


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Re: 308 Winchester
12/18/2016 Last edited 12/18/2016 by Falar
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Anyone using 2000MR with the HOrnady 178 BTHP or Berger 185 Juggernaut? I've been away from .308 for some time and am out of the loop on these latest double based wonderpowders like CFE 223 and AR COMP. Excited by some of these new mid-range bullet weights with nice BCs though.

Unfortunately 2000MR still is not in QL so I have no idea where to even start. I am hoping to be able to get 2700fps (from the 178s anyway) from a 20" barrel though I know it may not be possible.

QL says RL17 can get to 2732 under 62k PSI within my COAL limit (2.87" to fit in an SR-25 magazine) but I doubt this. I have a lot of RL17 on hand still and have used it since its release (on the old site, some of us instantly jumped straight to .308 and '06 heavy bullet loads with it to fantastic success) but despite numerous revisions to QL over the years I still think it looks to be 10-15k PSI high and/or 50-75fps high on some loads.

For example, my old 2.98" COAL 51gr load behind a 208gr A-max was 2705fps from a 24". QL STILL puts this at 77k PSI and 2776 fps.

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Re: 308 Winchester
12/19/2016
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This is a great load with exceptional accuracy in my PWS MK216

Varget powder with a charge weight of 45.3 grains

Barnes 130 Grain TTSX

Loaded to 2.735" OACL

Using L/C brass that is once fired, prepped, and annealed

CCI BR 2 primers

.5"-.6" groups at 100 yards off the bench. Will shoot over chrono for velocity and DOPE with 16" barreled rifle.

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Re: 308 Winchester
12/19/2016
[HR][/HR]43.5 varget. 185 juggernaut at 2.214 to ogive. Lapua brass. 210m Primer's.
4 at 100 yards. 2670 fps.

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Re: 308 Winchester
12/20/2016
[HR][/HR]Aimsmall55, what's your avg. OAL and/or jump?
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/20/2016
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Aimsmall55, what's your avg. OAL and/or jump?

OAL is 2.875" (AI Mag) and it's jumping 50/1000"s
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/21/2016
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how about a pet load for a 18.5 in aramalite with 175 smk? , trying to get this ready for the riflemans team comp next year, ive tried a short runup from 42 to 43.1g varget in LC cases with CCI primers at 2.81 OAL(to feed from mag) , highest velocity i got was 2371 fps average and wasnt showing pressure signs yet but think the velocity is way slow

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Re: 308 Winchester
12/23/2016
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how about a pet load for a 18.5 in aramalite with 175 smk? , trying to get this ready for the riflemans team comp next year, ive tried a short runup from 42 to 43.1g varget in LC cases with CCI primers at 2.81 OAL(to feed from mag) , highest velocity i got was 2371 fps average and wasnt showing pressure signs yet but think the velocity is way slow



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Try 45 grains of power pro 2000


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Re: 308 Winchester
12/23/2016
[HR][/HR]Stiller TAC 30 action, AICS, 28" Bartlein HV 1:11.25 twist.
Load... 43.5 varget. Lapua brass, fgm210m, 185 juggernaut at 2.210 to ogive (2.875") Jumping 55/1000"'s.
2680 fps. Exactly 8 moa to hit center mass

First 4 shots at 424 yards.
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/23/2016
[HR][/HR]Aimsmall55, thanks for the Christmas present. Just for the heck of it, I loaded up 5 rounds per your load except I added .2 of Varget because I'm using Win brass. My group looked like your 200 yd group except I was at 100. Well under .5 in. though. I've been working on a load using Power Pro 2000 and thought I found my final load (which is around .5") until trying your Varget load. Damnit, now I'm going to have to explore this some more. BTW, my cbto was at 2.220 with my comparator, which was around 2.875 coal. Thanks much!
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/24/2016
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Aimsmall55, thanks for the Christmas present. Just for the heck of it, I loaded up 5 rounds per your load except I added .2 of Varget because I'm using Win brass. My group looked like your 200 yd group except I was at 100. Well under .5 in. though. I've been working on a load using Power Pro 2000 and thought I found my final load (which is around .5") until trying your Varget load. Damnit, now I'm going to have to explore this some more. BTW, my cbto was at 2.220 with my comparator, which was around 2.875 coal. Thanks much!

Your welcome !! I was shooting 47.0 grains of power pro 2000 mr for a while and was getting 2830 fps in the summer and 2760 ish in the winter. It was a SCREAMING load combo. I mean 2830 fps with any bullet in .308 is moving pretty fast. But I talked to one of my FTR buddies who said I should give H4895 or Varget a try to keep powder temp from affecting mv. So I loaded 43.5 varget in Lapua brass and never looked back. The accuracy and consistency of the varget load is much better than the pp2000mr load. Merry Christmas !!
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/24/2016
[HR][/HR]Aimsmall55, do yo have a 6.5 CM 140 ELD load too?
Merry Christmas!
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/25/2016
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Aimsmall55, do yo have a 6.5 CM 140 ELD load too?
Merry Christmas!

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I do. Hold on.

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12/25/2016
[HR][/HR]Hah! If that's 42.6, then that's exactly where I've landed myself. Thanks!
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/26/2016
[HR][/HR]Aimsmall55, just out of curiosity what's your oal and jump with the 140 eld's?
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12/26/2016
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Aimsmall55, just out of curiosity what's your oal and jump with the 140 eld's?



About 60/1000"'s. But my gun is literally a freak of nature. I'd start a little closer to the lands
 
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Re: 308 Winchester
12/31/2016
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how about a pet load for a 18.5 in aramalite with 175 smk? , trying to get this ready for the riflemans team comp next year, ive tried a short runup from 42 to 43.1g varget in LC cases with CCI primers at 2.81 OAL(to feed from mag) , highest velocity i got was 2371 fps average and wasnt showing pressure signs yet but think the velocity is way slow​
Your 18.5 inch barrel likely has two inches of chamber and 16.5 inches of actual rifling in which to build velocity.

Looks to me like you're on par for your barrel length.



bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2015/06/308-win-barrel-cut-down-test-velocity-vs-barrel-length

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01/02/2017
[HR][/HR]Follow up... Loaded up ten rounds of the following to chronograph and test at 300.
  • Win brass
  • Fed 210m primer
  • 185 Berger Juggernaut
  • 43.7 grains Varget
  • Roughly 2.875 OAL - 2.220 CBTO (.005" jump in my chamber)
  • 2674 fps in a 24" tube (Magneto speed V3)
  • SD 4.8 ES 12 (5 shots)
  • 1 1/8" five shot group at 300 yards with a 7 mph tail wind
Much thanks to Aimsmall55 for sharing this! Easiest load workup I've ever done.
I was struggling with getting good consistency with PP 2000 with the temp swings in my area lately and stumbled upon Aimsmall55's load and was desperate enough to try it on a whim. Glad I did!
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01/03/2017
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was that a 20 inch barlein barrel with 11.25 twist I have the rock model

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01/04/2017
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Follow up... Loaded up ten rounds of the following to chronograph and test at 300.
  • Win brass
  • Fed 210m primer
  • 185 Berger Juggernaut
  • 43.7 grains Varget
  • Roughly 2.875 OAL - 2.220 CBTO (.005" jump in my chamber)
  • 2674 fps in a 24" tube (Magneto speed V3)
  • SD 4.8 ES 12 (5 shots)
  • 1 1/8" five shot group at 300 yards with a 7 mph tail wind
Much thanks to Aimsmall55 for sharing this! Easiest load workup I've ever done.
I was struggling with getting good consistency with PP 2000 with the temp swings in my area lately and stumbled upon Aimsmall55's load and was desperate enough to try it on a whim. Glad I did!

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Glad I could help ! Makes things a lot easier when you've got the kind of resources and info that SH and its members have to share. Good luck!!
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01/04/2017
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01/05/2017
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Make sure you work up. I show no pressure signs other than moderate primer flattening and QuickLoad says I'm near max with my chamber dimensions and COAL.

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308 Winchester
01/07/2017 Last edited 01/07/2017 by GhengisAhn175
[HR][/HR]Load data:
Lapua 308 large rifle primer brass
Federal 210 primers
Hornady 178gr HPBT at 23 thousandths jump
43.8 grains of varget

AVG MV: 2771
ES of 12
SD of 4.5

Barrel: bartlein 5R 26" at 1:11 twist
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01/07/2017
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Re: 308 Winchester
01/21/2017 Last edited 01/21/2017 by Dave62677
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43.5gr Varget

3x Lapua brass & 1x Lapua brass

CCI BR primer

178 ELD-X , .030 jump





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Re: 308 Winchester
Sunday at 5:23 PM Last edited Sunday at 5:25 PM by Improvisor
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18.5" savage douglas chromoly barrel 1:10
hornady match 3x neck sized 2.005"
42.7 8208 xbr
175 rdf
210m
2.850"
2577 avg velocity ES 1 SD .8

measured with a lab radar
going from a br2 to 210m shaved 20 off my ES and 11 of my SD and gained me 47ft/sec. my 42.1gr load with 210m had 0 ES and .1 SD! but shot over moa
shot .61 moa with possibly a slight pull by me

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Re: 308 Winchester
Tuesday at 10:53 AM Last edited Tuesday at 10:56 AM by GregLangelius
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Dave, could you share your barrel length and twist? I am picking up where I left off almost 20years ago on the .308. I have a new (unfired) Savage 11VT 24" 1:10", and intend to try it out developing loads with the 178 ELD-X and Varget. Any insights would also be useful.

Greg
 
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43.3 Varget
Trim Length 2.005
2.210 to ogive
Win primer
.25 moa groups

AI AT 308 20" with Socom brake. I get 2,580 FPS. This load is the closest to 168 GMM I can get shooting 100-600 yards.
 
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FC brass,
44.4gr varget,
Trim to 2.005
OAL to 2.800
168gr Nosler match BTHP
Win primers

No idea what the velocity was haha!

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Lapua .308 brass
Federal 210 standard primers
44gr Varget
Jumped .030 to lands

2560ish FPS with a SD of 4 and a ES of 14 last time I used my magneto speed.
 

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For my first batch for my Savage 10, 24" 1 in 10 twist:

Hornady Match brass
168 gr Sierra TMK
43.0 gr Varget
CCI 200 primers

2.826" OAL
0.009" off the lands

Shot it yesterday, in a 5-10 mph crosswind, shot 3/4" groups. Can't wait to shoot it on a nice calm day.
Next batch will be with 155 gr A-Max, my gun liked that bullet in factory loads.
 

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Found a great suppressed hunting load with my 18" Savage 10P-SR

165 Swift Scirrocco (Found on clearance at Sportsman's Warehouse)
37 grains AR Comp
Fed 210M
Lapua Brass
2.810 OAL
Little tiny group at 2510 FPS
Suppressor is a SAS Arbiter TOMB
 

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DTA 22" 308 barrel/Thunderbeast
43.5 grains Varget
175 SMK
Lapua brass
Fed GM210M
0.018 jump

Sorry no MV, there is no exposed barrel and the can was hot so couldn't strap my magneto speed on to it. About 0.25" c to c @ 100 yds.

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Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

GAP Broughton 22" 10 twist. .002" of neck tension on all cases

178 AMAX or 175 SMK
BH/Win brass
Fed 210M or 210
45grns Varget
Seated .005" off lands for AMAX and mag length for SMK
2700fps

178 AMAX or 175 SMK
Lapua brass
CCI 200 Standard LR
44.6grns Varget
Seated .005" off lands for AMAX and mag length for SMK
2700fps

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 20pt">As always use care and work up to these loads as they may be too hot for your rifle and may be dangerous.</span></span></span>
I'm confused why the Amax bullets are set specifically to a predetermined distance from the lands but the two different weight SMK's are simply set to the mag. length ( I assume is 2.80 )?
I used a Hornady comparator to set my 168 SMK's to a distance from the lands but they certainly are too big for insertion into the magazine on my RPR. It doesn't concern me because I use a single shot adapter.
Do you do them to mag. length just for convenience? your rep. shows you are a very accomplished shooter so you would know.
 
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Savage 10
1 in 10"
24" barrel

Berger OTM 185
43.5 gr Varget
Lapua Brass
CCI 200
Against the lands at 2.870" OAL, still fit in my mags (*barely*)

0.82 MOA at 420 yards
Stretching them out more soon, high hopes for this load's long range capability
 

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I found an accuracy node in my Bergara HMR with TAC powder.

L/C prepped and annealed brass.
CCI BR 2 primers
165 grain Hornady SST
OACL 2.800"
43.1 grains of TAC

Averaged 2660 FPS out of a 20" barrel

Right at MOA and SUB MOA at 100 yards.

Hits on steel at 230 yds, 450 yds, and 600 yds.

Any issues with accuracy are Indian related, not the arrow.
 
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42.2gr IMR 4064
175gr SMK
Wincester Brass, deburr/neck turned
bump .002 Headspace, Lee Collet Neck Dies
Brass Neck/ Loaded bullet runoff ~.002 under with CO-AX press

.4 moa 5 shot group
 
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loading at 2.950 to fit in the mag of my trg 22-26inch barrel

This is a extremely compressed load. work up to with caution

48.5grains ADI 2209
200eldx
PPU Brass
fed 210m
2500fps

.4-.5moa as long as I do my part
 

ubet

Private
May 28, 2008
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Commifornia
308win rem 700 5r
Lapua brass new
Br2
Varget 44.7
175smk
2.261ol
2800fps
581yds
752yds
100yds the shot high right was a flier


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cro789

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I am looking at trying Berger 175gr VLD hunters in .308 with Varget powder. I looked but more than likely missed if someone had tried this. And what kind of results have you gotten. I will be running a22" barrel with 1-11 twist (DTA). Thanks for t he help.
 

Fishkat

Aka Fishcricket
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I am looking at trying Berger 175gr VLD hunters in .308 with Varget powder. I looked but more than likely missed if someone had tried this. And what kind of results have you gotten. I will be running a22" barrel with 1-11 twist (DTA). Thanks for t he help.
here you go, DTA, 22" suppressed, 175VLD's, 44.6 gn Varget , seated just touching the lands, avg 2716 fps. They shoot much better than sub moa. Hope this helps
 

308pirate

Gunny Sergeant
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Stock Howa 1500, 24"
SWFA 3-15X50
KRG 180-Xray

Nosler 175 RDF
42.5 gr Ramshot TAC
Lapua brass, many firings
CCI BR2 primer
.002" neck tension
2.09" OAL to ogive

10 rounds @100 yds, X ring = 1 inch diameter. I suck based on the two shanked upwards.
Howa 10 shot group.jpg

100 - 4X on NRA 600 yd F class target, no picture of that. 10 ring = 6" diameter, X ring = 3" diameter on the F class target.
 
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Looking to replace 175 SMK over to 185 juggernauts in my 24" 1-10 .308. I currently run imr 4064. What's everyone's preference of powder for the jugs? I've seen lots of re-15 and varget. I have a pound or two of both. Anything out there more promising?
 
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The Big Country
24” Criterion Light Varmint 10”twist barrel

44gr Varget
185gr Berger Classic Hunter, lightly kissing the lands.
Tula Large Rifle Magnum.
5 shots at 100 yards

Can’t say with certainty if the flyer was me or not. 4 of the five went into .285”.

John

 
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Is the data box on your target a stamp you bought commercially or did you have it made up? It looks really handy and I'd like one.

cheers!
 
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Ran a seating depth test. It likes the 185gr Classic Hunters at .030” off the lands. At that depth, it put five into .304”. Left to right; .010” off, .020” off and .030” off. The load in the post above was .010” into the lands.

Criterion Light Varmint, 10” twist.

John



 
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AL, USA
308win rem 700 5r
Lapua brass new
Br2
Varget 44.7
175smk
2.261ol
2800fps
581yds
752yds
100yds the shot high right was a flier


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Ubet:

Any pressure signs? I have an identical rifle and my high node was 44.4 Varget with the SMK 175. I can imagine what you brass life is going to be!

Currently getting ready to start a work up on the tipped MK 175's.

Thanks,

RMD