250 savage again

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finally got to work with the 250 savage some more after getting things in order. well i finally got a pound of reloader 17 to do testing with it too.
so bought a box of Berger 115 gr match hunters, at the time that's the only heavy .257 bullet out there. after a couple of weeks here is where i'm at.
Berger 115 match hunter over 40 grs of reloader 17 - results: avg velocity 3056 FPS, very surprising number for a cartridge that came out in 1915!!!
pressure signs were good still have radius on primers and no sticky cases or hard bolt handle lift. only bad thing??? this gun doesn't like these bullets
i have never had much luck with Berger bullets, but i'm going to move the load down to see if there's a sweet spot.
to the good hornady has a new .257 115gr ELD-X bullet out some i'm ordering a box of these and i have had good results with all the hornady bullets i have tried over the years. will keep things updated as i get my results.
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D2junky

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I built a 250ai with a Rock Creek 9 twist several years ago that has languished for lack of a good bc projectile. Might be time to pull it into service
 
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Thanks guys, just looked at this old cartridge and thought how come no one has revisited it to see what these new powders can do for it. My thoughts to were if this works good gives everyone another factory cartridge that would also be great for newby's and beginners. Plus it's been fun to work wth. Mmm 131gr bullet wow!!! I'm pretty sure I can get 120's to 2950 FPS, but...... get a 131gr to 2850 FPS and now your talking!!!! Damn now I'm gonna half to have another barrel made!!!!! Probable a 1:8 twist.
 
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D2junky

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I believe the new projectiles require a 1 in 7 or 1 in 7.5 twist. What kind of speeds were you getting in your 250ai?
I’ve never run it through the chrony. Loaded up a max load of h4895 and a 110 TTSX to kill stuff and it worked. Formed some brass and kinda forgot about it.
 
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Mmm you should have chron'd those loads, but I would also ask you to try varget and not use h or IMR4895.
It's more stable thru all temp ranges and you'll see a lot more velocity. A load I worked up for my savage 1920 bolt gun that was manufactured in 1926 is 42grs of varget with a 75gr VMAX yields 3452 FPS avg. from a 22" barrel and yes it's a 1:14 twist as all were back then. This is a very accurate load to. It's a coyotes worst nightmare come true.
 
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I'd love to see the match community grab onto the nickel bore and have some nice BC projectiles produced. A 250 Sav or a 25-06 (regular or AI) would be a sweet shooting gun if only the BC's on the bullets didn't suck. Light recoil, just a joy to shoot, and the 25 caliber can take down any North American game animal.
 

D2junky

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I never planned on H4895 being the final propellant but I had a pound I needed to burn up. I’ll pull it out of the safe and check a few of those loads but once the brass is formed it will likely see Rl17 and/or 16 and continue with the ttsx or 110 Eld. The throat is a bit long for 75’s. It’s always been a deer gun for my daughter.
 

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My quarter bore is a pre-64 Win Model 70 in .257 Roberts. It is strictly a hunting rifle so I haven't been held back by the lack of high bc projectiles. I've had good results with the Hornady 117gr BTSP Interlock in my rifle. I used Reloaded 19. R17 wasn't out when I developed my load.
 
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Hey Dixie rifleman, I know what you mean, the advance in powders even in the last few years has been moving at light speed. That's what got me to looking at the 250 savage. With hornady coming out with their lever evolution and superformance loads I was always a big fan of the 250 so I started looking at what would work with it.
I figured with its case dimensions it could be very efficient case. So far looking at my data it really is.
Now with some serious long bullets coming out it's really getting interesting.
 
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Well I agree with you guys but this is a start.
When we start asking for things is when the manufacturers take notice and feel hey we can make a buck here. Now there’s a company that’s going to make high be .257 bullets.
 

sandwarrior

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finally got to work with the 250 savage some more after getting things in order. well i finally got a pound of reloader 17 to do testing with it too.
so bought a box of Berger 115 gr match hunters, at the time that's the only heavy .257 bullet out there. after a couple of weeks here is where i'm at.
Berger 115 match hunter over 40 grs of reloader 17 - results: avg velocity 3056 FPS, very surprising number for a cartridge that came out in 1915!!!
pressure signs were good still have radius on primers and no sticky cases or hard bolt handle lift. only bad thing??? this gun doesn't like these bullets
i have never had much luck with Berger bullets, but i'm going to move the load down to see if there's a sweet spot.
to the good hornady has a new .257 115gr ELD-X bullet out some i'm ordering a box of these and i have had good results with all the hornady bullets i have tried over the years. will keep things updated as i get my results.
SB
What rifle with what barrel are you using?
 
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The .250 is a pretty snappy li'l round for sure. I had a first year production Savage model 1899 .250-3000 (same thing as .250 Sav.) and with the right load it would shoot amazingly accurate. That was with 75's, 87's and 90's. I used a bunch of the 90 FMJ in it, lol. Why they thought we would ever buy the line that trappers use it all the time kills me. It was dumped experimental bullets for the military.

So, somewhere in the mists of time the .250 case was necked to .224"...that stuck, then .243 as the 6mm-250, 6.5 and 7mm as the International series. Those didn't stay around. Pervious to those, though was when Charles Newton re-designed the case to the .300 Savage. He shortened the case from 1.912 to 1.871" (47.5mm), but kept the body taper exactly the same as the .30-06 as opposed to the sharp taper of the .250. And, BTW, it's the parent case of the 7.62x51/.308 Win, not the 30-06,

This is the wildcat I liked to see stuff built on when I was a kid. The International series, since they were wildcats, were built on either the .250 case or .300 case. IMO, the .300 case is more efficient with it's wider shoulders and 30 deg. shoulder angle. And, it fits and feeds in everything with a .308 based mag, or 30-06 based mag. Yes, I have seen and shot a .250-300. It's a nice improvement over the .250 Savage. I will never go to the 40* ackley shoulder again. Pressure builds too fast in it, without enough flow of pressure out of the case during firing. It gets worse with smaller diameter calibers.
 
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nice info sandwarrior and yes all true, i have a "99" in 300 savage it is quite the equal to any 308 rifle and it is far more accurate than any other lever gun.
also as i stated above my 250 savage hunting rifle is a savage 1920 bolt action which is based on the 1903 springfield and the mauser 98, its also the first short action bolt action i might add. looking back thru savage history youll find many firsts. oh sierra has a 90gr BTHP that is very accurate with the 1:14 twist thats hell on whitetails, and i just got some 90gr hornady GMX's to try also.
 
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nice info sandwarrior and yes all true, i have a "99" in 300 savage it is quite the equal to any 308 rifle and it is far more accurate than any other lever gun.
also as i stated above my 250 savage hunting rifle is a savage 1920 bolt action which is based on the 1903 springfield and the mauser 98, its also the first short action bolt action i might add. looking back thru savage history youll find many firsts. oh sierra has a 90gr BTHP that is very accurate with the 1:14 twist thats hell on whitetails, and i just got some 90gr hornady GMX's to try also.
Ha! I never knew the Savage 1920 had a short action version. Another interesting tidbit about that action is it's all round, like the Rem 700. I should say vice-versa as the Remmy is like the Savage.

I shot a lot of Sierra 90 gr. BTHP's and flat bases out of mine too. Just that i ran across a deal a long time ago with the FMJ's.

"High pressure steel" what more do you need to say?
 
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The 1920 is a short action because it was only made to take the 250 and 300 savage, '06 won't fit.
I don't think they were thinking long or short action just made it to fit those cartridges. They came out with the model 40 super sport which is a long action and many were in '06 this took the 1920's place.
Yes the 700 was given the same tube dimensions as the 110 which came out in 1958, the 700 didn't come out until 1960. Another interesting thing about the super sport was it's rear locking lugs. Doesn't that sound familiar???
Yeah after many years they copied from savage again with their 588. Oh well.
 
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yes sir sandwarrior your right, the QC on savage rifles every bit as good as any other. back in the 70's and 80's all i heard was OH the savage rifles have a barrel nut !!! OOOOOOOh we cant have that!! now what is a feature all the makers tought??? oh we have a barrel nut to guarantee the best head space.
OOOOh we pinnned in the bolt head so it can set square to the receiver!! mm savage been doing this since the 110 was sold to the public.
ill put my 1920 against any other bolt action of the time or now, its a very well done rifle SAVAGE 1920-1.jpg .
 
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