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    GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    If you had to choose between one of these two AR platforms which would you choose? I am torn at the moment and can't decide. Both would have a 20" barrel and shooting 175gr SMK's or 178gr AMAX's.

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    Gap10 they shoot lights out and George supports the sport more then just about anyone. Can't say enough about those guys
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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    That's easy. I'd take the GAP-10 without a moments thought. I wouldn't buy a Larue even if I was offered 100lbs of that dildo dust everyone raves about because Mark Larue is a c*cksucker.
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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Originally Posted By: KillShot
    That's easy. I'd take the GAP-10 without a moments thought. I wouldn't buy a Larue even if I was offered 100lbs of that dildo dust everyone raves about because Mark Larue is a c*cksucker.


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    Iam Canadian and It would be a dick around to get either up here, plus being AR based they both would be restricted. That being said, If I had the cash and canadian law de-restricts the AR base platform I wouldn't waste a single second calling up George and ordering up a Gap-10.

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    Larue OBR or the choices for me. But in reality, I went with a POF-308 with a magpul PRS stock instead.
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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    LaRue: I have know idea about Mark's sexual preference, but I have shot a friends 5.56 OBR and its really nice to shoot it. I have made multiple high dollar purchases and am happy with every transaction in all respects. I have enough dillo dust to fill a sand box. I appreciate it, but I don't get worked up about it.

    GAP: One of the nicest and helpful group over the phone. Have only shot one of their bolt actions, once. But it was literally a work of mechanical art.

    I give both a 10 outta 10 in my book. They are both making products that can outperform the end user most (I have no idea what %) of the time.

    *one thing to note, when I had a simple question that had an obvious answer I missed, I received a polite reply from the guys at Larue and a smart a$$ one here.

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Originally Posted By: Matt E.

    *one thing to note, when I had a simple question that had an obvious answer I missed, I received a polite reply from the guys at Larue and a smart a$$ one here.


    So you're basing a comparison on an answer between Larue vs. Snipershide?

    To the OP. I've got a GAP-10 and it rocks. Larue makes great firearms as well, but I'd rather support a Company who's owner I like over one who's owner thinks he's God's gift to everyone and infallible.

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    The new PredatOBR because IMHO it's the best of both worlds, extremely accurate and light.

    If your choosing between the regular OBR or the GAP-10, then I'd go GAP.

    Turn around time is gonna be ALOT quicker with GAP.
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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Originally Posted By: Broker
    Originally Posted By: Matt E.

    *one thing to note, when I had a simple question that had an obvious answer I missed, I received a polite reply from the guys at Larue and a smart a$$ one here.


    So you're basing a comparison on an answer between Larue vs. Snipershide?

    To the OP. I've got a GAP-10 and it rocks. Larue makes great firearms as well, but I'd rather support a Company who's owner I like over one who's owner thinks he's God's gift to everyone and infallible.


    I guess I was saying that aside for the dislike of the owner, LaRue seems to me to make a pretty darn good product and seems helpful and knowledgeable when I call. I was/am not aware of his thinking of being better than the collective "us". I also commented that I buy his products for their quality, not because of free cooking spices, bottle openers or other free swag...

    I think I stated that both companies make excellent products that will satisfy the majority of customers. I picked Larue because yes I do have more experience with them, but if LaRue ceased to be today I would be quite happy shooting the rest of my life with GAP products. I just didn't base my opinion on feelings and free shipping swag. Sorry for the confusion.

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    That's a really tough one. I'd go with the GAP10 if I wasn't hauling it around (I've got a POF308 and it is HEAVY!) but if you plan on humping around with it alot, you might look at the PredatOBR

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    I am getting a gap 10

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Originally Posted By: Mustafa
    That's a really tough one. I'd go with the GAP10 if I wasn't hauling it around (I've got a POF308 and it is HEAVY!) but if you plan on humping around with it alot, you might look at the PredatOBR



    Thanks for all the replys everyone, I was pretty dead set on the GAP-10 tell my buddy told me about the OBR. Weight really isn't much of an issue with me as I used to carry the MK11/SR-25 when I was in the army and I really want a 20" heavy barrel for a 308 rifle.

    Anyone know if GAPrecision gives military discounts like LaRue does?

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Most people around here will answer GAP.

    That is what I would get give or take. A custom.

    Now that Larue has a fluted chamber I'm not sure that I'd get one.

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    OBR would be my pick and yes I have one.

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Gap has a lot of love here ( and for good reason) and Larue has a lot of love on ARF.com (and for good reason).... I don't visit ARF.com at all.

    I love my OBR (pre fluted chamber)...

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Yes, GAP gives a 5% discount I believe.

    If you reload then the new OBR chamber may F that up, but they are very accurate. I've been studying the LW-50 steel they use and even though I highly doubt you will shoot a .308 barrel out, the LW50 will probably outlast a cutrifled barrel by a few thousand. (that's just opinion and have no proof to back that up)

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Not voting because if we are talking new I'd be going GAP- I would not deal with that stupid fluted chamber they are running now. If used is an option, and one can be had with a non-fluted chamber, i'd go OBR... which is what I have.

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    wtf is the point of the fluted chamber?

    weight savings? does it help with the casing not rotate which leads to better accuracy? I have no idea....

    also, wouldn't it ruin the brass which makes it impossible to reload it?

    would you shoot lapua brass out of your OBR for this reason?

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    I think it will be a toss up whichever you chose.

    Both shoot lights out.
    Both have good customer service.

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    I'm currently in KC going to school. I stop by GA on my little projects. They are always most helpful, and know a poor student isn't there to buy a custom today.

    Flounder walked me through the GAP10 last week. It is a hybrid of Armalite AR10 and SR25. Georged picked the best option of each platform, and incorporated it into the GAP10.

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    If it were my hard earned money, GAP. Reading here shows they know how to build lasers.

    I know Larue makes some good stuff though and there were several of their OBRs winning at one of the past sniper matches in Bragg(might have been Butner?). I have 4 LT104 mounts...
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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    I don't know what the point of the chamber fluting is, but I'll bet it has something to do with shooting M118LR at 120 degrees in the desert.

    To be clear, I have watched a guy empty nearly 2 magazines of hornady tap ammo out of a predatar 7.62 with the new fluted chamber. I looked at every piece of brass and could find nothing wrong with it. Now, if you want to load varget up to the case mouth, yeah, maybe the chamber would mark up some brass. Point is, I just haven't seen issues with normal loads.

    Back to the OP, I love my OBR and would buy another one if Larue didn't have their nose buried in Uncle Sam's backside. At this point, the wait for ANY OBR is approaching 8 months and that is conservative at best. There are people who ordered back in September and are still waiting. If you want a predatobr, they haven't even given a release date for when they will begin production. Surely you are looking at a year there. Soooo....if you want a good rifle and want to get it before Barry Soetero outlaws semi-autos I would highly recommend you get the GAP-10. At least they can deliver their product on time.

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Originally Posted By: jaycoux
    I don't know what the point of the chamber fluting is, but I'll bet it has something to do with shooting M118LR at 120 degrees in the desert.

    To be clear, I have watched a guy empty nearly 2 magazines of hornady tap ammo out of a predatar 7.62 with the new fluted chamber. I looked at every piece of brass and could find nothing wrong with it. Now, if you want to load varget up to the case mouth, yeah, maybe the chamber would mark up some brass. Point is, I just haven't seen issues with normal loads.

    Back to the OP, I love my OBR and would buy another one if Larue didn't have their nose buried in Uncle Sam's backside. At this point, the wait for ANY OBR is approaching 8 months and that is conservative at best. There are people who ordered back in September and are still waiting. If you want a predatobr, they haven't even given a release date for when they will begin production. Surely you are looking at a year there. Soooo....if you want a good rifle and want to get it before Barry Soetero outlaws semi-autos I would highly recommend you get the GAP-10. At least they can deliver their product on time.

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    8 months? interesting. Other precision AR makers (hint hint) have had no problems that contract out to LE and GOV

    i'm sure it's because of that though.

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Choosing not to buy from a company b/c you think their owner is an a**hole, well that would leave you with being able to buy from about 3% of the companies in America. My Opinion.

    As far as Larue being behind on orders, Ruger isn't even taking orders right now b/c they are so far behind production. It is a common trend right now, people are buying guns at the highest rate in decades.

    Both rifles are lights out accurate. What will the rifle be used for? Comps, hunting, plinking? I would go with the GAP b/c I am impatient and impulsive and want my rifle NOW. But you aren't going to go wrong with either.
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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Or better yet, GunBroker has a Larue 7.62 PredatAR that was rebarreled by G.A.P. for sale now. Best of both worlds.
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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    I voted with my wallet and ordered a GAP-10 in 6mm Creedmoor a few weeks ago.

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Originally Posted By: deisel
    I voted with my wallet and ordered a GAP-10 in 6mm Creedmoor a few weeks ago.


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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Originally Posted By: WildBill3/75
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    Anyone know if GAPrecision gives military discounts like LaRue does?


    What kind of discounts for both? didn't know this...

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    LT does 10% for LE and .mil IIRC
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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Originally Posted By: virus51
    I would go with the GAP b/c I am impatient and impulsive and want my rifle NOW.


    Pretty sure GAP has a wait too.

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Originally Posted By: BCP
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    I would go with the GAP b/c I am impatient and impulsive and want my rifle NOW.


    Pretty sure GAP has a wait too.


    Indeed, at least few months...

    what's GAP's discount? anyone know? Someone said 5% but wasn't sure

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    even if it's a litle thing, one thing OBR doesn't have going for me is that the GAP is fully ambi. OBR isn't... and i'm a lefty.

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    GAP
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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Can anyone comment as to the durability of the GAP 10? One of the reasons that I decided to order an OBR 7.62 is because although it seems like the OBR and GAP are neck and neck in the accuracy department, I really couldn't find much information about the GAP 10's durability whereas the OBR is heralded for both accuracy AND durability. A friend of mine actually took a Carbine class with his OBR 7.62 and he said he didn't experience so much as a hiccup during the class. However, had I known that the quoted 12-16 week wait time was more like 24-52 weeks (from what I've been reading, I might have reconsidered. Again, can anyone who owns one comment on it's durability?
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    GAP-10 for me.

    The Larue OBR rail system has a different height then the rest from what I'm reading.

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    I have a GAP10 in .308, and it's a hammer. I don't think the OBR is any less of a rifle though. It's doing well at the comps from what I hear. Don't think you would be disappointed with either.
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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Originally Posted By: Falsecrack
    Can anyone comment as to the durability of the GAP 10? One of the reasons that I decided to order an OBR 7.62 is because although it seems like the OBR and GAP are neck and neck in the accuracy department, I really couldn't find much information about the GAP 10's durability whereas the OBR is heralded for both accuracy AND durability. A friend of mine actually took a Carbine class with his OBR 7.62 and he said he didn't experience so much as a hiccup during the class. However, had I known that the quoted 12-16 week wait time was more like 24-52 weeks (from what I've been reading, I might have reconsidered. Again, can anyone who owns one comment on it's durability?


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    2 1/2 comps, banging around the house and load development on my gap 10 6 creed, and the only ff i have had was when a sand bag twisted over the ejection port. Oh and it is still waiting on its first cleaning.
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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Great topic, I've been wondering the same thing.

    Yes LaRue is known for great manufacturing of A LOT of parts.

    But I would have to say GAP is known for finer precision in their machining and great service and attitude.

    A friend of mine is awaiting his GAP AR-10, I can't wait to try that one out.

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    Originally Posted By: Falsecrack
    GAP 10's durability


    I'm of the opinion that as long as they are assembled properly out of quality materials and quality ammunition is used...all DI guns are reliable.

    The main difference I see between the Larue and GAP (beyond the obvious like handguards, receivers, barrels) is that one can be had custom and the other cannot.

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    I wish GAP made their own upper/lower combo... Not that anything is wrong with POF builds but after fingering my fair share of POF's I went with an OBR... The Larue upper and lower is very well made.... and the fact that they built their own magazines makes me believe that they covered every possible short coming of the said build.

    GAP needs to have Seekins build up a monolithic upper and matched lower... Then I'd have to bite. The fact that GAP could take a DPMS build and turn it into a solid moa/sub moa shooter says something. They make a badass semi.

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    After a lot of researching I decided to just build the ar myself to get exactly what I want....and decided for my use I'd be better off building an ar-15 chambered in 6.5grendel....mabe if I move somewhere where I have access to shoot further I'll contemplate building a 6.5creedmoor ar-10.

    This is what my build looks like sofar, *parts have not been ordered yet.

    Mega Arms monolithic rifle length ar-15 upper
    Seekins Precision Billet lower
    geissele DMR trigger*
    20" Lothar Walther SS fluted bull barrel 1:9 twist chambered in 6.5grendel
    BravoCompany BCG
    Magpul PRS stock
    Magpul MIAD grip
    Harris HBRMS bipods
    Leupold Mk 4. LR/T TMR M1(I like baselines) 4.5-14 x 40mm* W/leupold mk4 scope rings.*(as long as they arn't cutting out the center of the reticle like on the m110's, if so I'm getting diffrent glass)

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    I would want a faster twist barrel.

    Not sure if the mega monolithic upper will mate with a seekins lower.

    Didn't know Bravocompany made a 6.5 grendel bolt I thought they were all 556

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    It's bravocompanys BCG minus the bolt...will be using the matching bolt L&W will be sending with the barrel.
    I really hope the lower and upper fits, I saw a thread somewhere that someone asked the same question and someone replied that it did. I got a buddy with the mega maten ar-10 upper and know that the ar-10 version has issues with diffrent lowers.

    I opted for the 1:9 because all I will be using are 123gr a-max's and L&W only offered 1:9 or 1:8...the majority of people I see shooting 123amax's are using 1:8.75 satern barrels(but they never answer their damn phone or email and have a 6month+ wait so I opted for the L&W)

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    GAP. I live in the KC area and have been to Georges shop a few times. Great guy. I have one GAP bolt gun and another on the way (hopefully sooner rather than later!). My 338 LM is RIDICULOUS accurate - 250's & 300's, no matter, she eats it all. No reason for me to think his gas guns shoot any different.

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    Re: GAPrecision GAP10 or LaRue OBR?!?!

    I just received my GAP10 a few weeks ago and can't say enough about it. It's a work of art and shoots smooth as glass. LaRue supposedly makes a fine product, but their C/S reputation and the fact I'd have to add sales tax to it here in TX led me the other direction. No buyer's remorse here.

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