Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 50 of 55
Like Tree3Likes

Thread: Powder for .308 Match Loads

  1. #1
    Private
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    cherokee5425's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Johnstown, PA
    Posts
    3

    Powder for .308 Match Loads

    I have been having a hard time finding IMR 4895 powder for reloading for my .308. Does anyone have any input as to using another powder other than IMR 4895 for making up some match loads for the .308, Thanks in advance.

  2. #2
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    IN
    Posts
    491
    I've heard Varget is the go to powder for 30 cal.

  3. #3
    Private
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Indianapolis, In.
    Posts
    27
    My Gap Crusader likes Alliant RL15 with 43.0 to 43.5 grains of powder,sierra 168BTHPM,Lapua brass, fed. match primer.

  4. #4
    Private
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Lebanon,Tn
    Posts
    87
    I am using RE15 right now and I am happy with 44.5 gr and a berger 185 VLD target
    SAC .308, SAC 6.5 Creedmoor, SAKO 691 6.5-06AI , Rem 700 300BLK , Mossberg MVP X 2 , KSG , Benelli M2, LWRC , Colt 6920, Glocks, Sigs and lots of other stuff too

  5. #5
    Gunny Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    JGorski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Central Wis.
    Posts
    2,815
    My SPSS likes RE15, 2000MR & CFE223 with 168AMAXs or 178s.
    Longrifles Inc. 6Creed, 28" HV Bart, X-treme S/S action,T4 Manners, 8-32 Sightron Tac w/2MOA reticle, TPS 30mm rings, CG 2 stage trigger.
    Coming soon: Longrifles Inc 6 Creed, trued 700 action, 28" HV Bart, T2 manners, Jewell trigger, TPS rings and 20moa base, Sightron 10-50x60mm.
    700 SPSS 308, H-S stock,Jewell trigger, 6-24 Sig. TPS rings & 20moa base.

  6. #6
    GHOST
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Athens Co Ohio
    Posts
    213
    Accurate 2520 does a great job for me! 44.5 gr
    TVP member

  7. #7
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    New Iberia, Louisiana
    Posts
    290
    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee5425 View Post
    I have been having a hard time finding IMR 4895 powder for reloading for my .308. Does anyone have any input as to using another powder other than IMR 4895 for making up some match loads for the .308, Thanks in advance.
    Varget is what the vast majority of shooters use and for good reason, its a great powder for 308 with many different bullet weights. Other powders mentioned in previous post work well also just not quite as temp stable as Varget but they usually give more velocity than Varget. The problem is getting powder, any powder, its scarce at the moment.

  8. #8
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Louisiana
    Posts
    427
    My .308 powders in order of preference:
    Varget
    H-4895
    IMR-4895
    IMR-4320
    RL15
    IMR-4064
    AA-2495
    AA-4064
    Tac
    AA-2520
    BLC-2

    I haven't tried CFE, had extreme pressure issues with MR-2000. Acutally, all of the ball powders I've tried, I've had pressure issues with higher temps but less with Tac than the others.

    For .223, the same powders except 4064's of both varieties. Tac has done very well for me velocity wise and would be closer to the top of the list in the heavier bullets but still rare pressure issues on very hot days if I'm close to max loading (which I only do during testing).

    I know, some will have other powders, this is just from my experience.
    Last edited by 1lnbrdg; 03-06-2013 at 12:33 PM. Reason: Swapped AA-2460 to AA2495, my bad!!!!
    Legged out 03/28/2010

  9. #9
    Full Member
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    South Carolina
    Posts
    52
    Quote Originally Posted by JGorski View Post
    My SPSS likes RE15, 2000MR & CFE223 with 168AMAXs or 178s.
    What is your load for the 2000MR, 168AMAX and the 178AMAX.

  10. #10
    Super Moderator
    Follows
    1
    Following
    0
    Rob01's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2001
    Location
    CT
    Posts
    7,861
    Varget is my go to .308 powder. Very temp insensitive and gives excellent velocities. Never let me down.

  11. #11
    Senior Chief
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    roggom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Northern Colorado
    Posts
    2,047
    Varget = Varmint Target
    Always remember rule number one!
    HMCS(SW/AW)(RET)

  12. #12
    Private
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    cherokee5425's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Johnstown, PA
    Posts
    3
    Sounds like Varget is pretty popular. I meant to add that I will be using 168 gr match bullets. Right now I've got some Hornady 168 amax. How about some recipes using the varget. I don't have any newer reloading manuals.

  13. #13
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    TCKev's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Houma,LA
    Posts
    154
    Here's a place to start

    http://www.6mmbr.com/308Win.html
    Tight Groups
    Kevin


  14. #14
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    reeljob's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Galax, VA
    Posts
    528
    I am running strictly ARcomp in my .308s. I still have Varget on hand since it was always my powder of choice. After i began using ARComp powder I have not looked back. Great velocity and temp insensitive. Start load is 41.0 for 175 smk or 178 amax.
    I am still finding it on shelves regularly. Picked up two lbs. today to add to my collection.
    "Fear The Government That Fears Your Guns."--Thomas Jefferson
    II Corinthians X:IV

    My good guys
    Greene,sst04,Sealinck,HOP,Magforce,NeoShooter,Abil ene,MEAT4212,Stillbuster,Southbreeze,OGRESShooter, Rover31,Krummarine,Deadnoise,Phoneman,Stoney15,Tsa vo303,WDN-K-9,CEGA,Deadeye,Chefj,CharlieTN,Boydo,Ballistic,Cha rlieTN

  15. #15
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    New Iberia, Louisiana
    Posts
    290
    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee5425 View Post
    Sounds like Varget is pretty popular. I meant to add that I will be using 168 gr match bullets. Right now I've got some Hornady 168 amax. How about some recipes using the varget. I don't have any newer reloading manuals.

    I personally never shoot amax bullets but most 168gr match bullets will shoot great with about 44gr Varget from what ive seen, not the hottest load but usually very accurate around that powder charge.

  16. #16
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    spamassassian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    New Mexico, USA
    Posts
    164
    I've had good results with RE15 in my 1:12 twist 20" LTR. 40.2 grains is my current pet load with Federal brass and 168 HPBT pills. Have some <1" 200 yd 5-rd groups to show for it. Just FYI This load, although just 0.2 grains above the "min" suggested load in the Lyman data book, is still slightly hotter than the FGMM factory loads. Those must be really light loads...
    In theory, theory and practice are equivalent. In practice, they are not.

  17. #17
    Private
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Fox Cities, Wisconsin
    Posts
    87
    RL15 has been good to me. My GAP shoots it well.

  18. #18
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    North Carolina
    Posts
    240
    Quote Originally Posted by SPfeiffer View Post
    Accurate 2520 does a great job for me! 44.5 gr
    Yea, my TRG likes this with 168 grain A-max bullets.

  19. #19
    Private
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    39
    Imr 4064..rl15...

  20. #20
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    San Antonio
    Posts
    156
    Varget is a great place to start.

  21. #21
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Miami, FLA.
    Posts
    345
    I used to use Varget like most everyone and found it to be very good. A comp shooter told me he was using N150 and suggested I try it. I listened and have not looked back again. The stuff is pricier but it flat out kicks ass. I now run N160 on my 260 aswell. Vihtavouri really seems to be producing some good S#!T. I am currently building a .223 now and I'm fairly certain I will likely start out with a VV brand powder. Yes I'm a fan boy but I can't argue with the results. My rifles flat out kick butt with this stuff no matter who's driviing them.

  22. #22
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Clinton Twp. MI
    Posts
    162
    Like Glen D. Zediker said in his book: " If your .308 bolt gun doesn't shoot well with IMR 4064, you probably have a gun problem."
    Last edited by Walt K; 03-05-2013 at 12:15 AM. Reason: Typo
    memo43 likes this.

  23. #23
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    VA
    Posts
    169
    In a bolt action rifle the first powder I'd use would be IMR4350 and then go with some 180 grain bullets. Best accuracy I've every had from .308 and 30.06 was with IMR4350 and Sierra 180 grain match bullets.
    Guns, I like'em all. Well, American guns anyway.

  24. #24
    General Tilia
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Northern Utah
    Posts
    152
    42.7 gn Varget behind A-Max 168's is my sweet spot. Shooting a supressed Savage Mod 10 w/ 20" barrel. It did not like the hotter loads. Run a OCW test to see what your stick likes.
    Sixtsix likes this.
    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"
    -Sir Edmond Burke

    "It's easy to make assumptions about puppies strapped to missiles, but good science requires research."

  25. #25
    Gunny Sergeant
    Follows
    1
    Following
    0
    Aimsmall55's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Meridian, MS
    Posts
    2,202
    As stated varget is an all around awesome power. But after messing with power pro 2000 mr. I didn't look back. Picked up 90 fps with no pressure issues at all.
    Load is 48.0 2000 mr. 175 smk. 2.236 to ogive. Fgm210m. 2770 out of a GA Crusader with a 1:11.25 twist and a 22" bartlein.
    "You know, it's really not that hard to come across as a moron".
    - Sean Little-

  26. #26
    Private
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    U.S.
    Posts
    37
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimsmall55 View Post
    As stated varget is an all around awesome power. But after messing with power pro 2000 mr. I didn't look back. Picked up 90 fps with no pressure issues at all.
    Load is 48.0 2000 mr. 175 smk. 2.236 to ogive. Fgm210m. 2770 out of a GA Crusader with a 1:11.25 twist and a 22" bartlein.
    + 1 power pro 2000mr !

  27. #27
    Private
    Follows
    0
    Following
    1

    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Massachusetts, USA
    Posts
    15
    Quote Originally Posted by reeljob View Post
    I am running strictly ARcomp in my .308s. I still have Varget on hand since it was always my powder of choice. After i began using ARComp powder I have not looked back. Great velocity and temp insensitive. Start load is 41.0 for 175 smk or 178 amax.
    I am still finding it on shelves regularly. Picked up two lbs. today to add to my collection.
    Same here. Been getting great results with AR-Comp with .308. Way better consistency than both Varget and H4895, in my case.

  28. #28
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Indiana
    Posts
    598
    IMR 4885 & 4064 for my match loads. I played with Varget once but the whole lot thing a few years back turned me off to it. I would like to try some 8208 but I have not seen any reports with anything above 168 grns. I only shoot heavies...

  29. #29
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    spamassassian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    New Mexico, USA
    Posts
    164
    Quote Originally Posted by cuffm4615 View Post
    I used to use Varget like most everyone and found it to be very good. A comp shooter told me he was using N150 and suggested I try it. I listened and have not looked back again. The stuff is pricier but it flat out kicks ass. I now run N160 on my 260 aswell. Vihtavouri really seems to be producing some good S#!T. I am currently building a .223 now and I'm fairly certain I will likely start out with a VV brand powder. Yes I'm a fan boy but I can't argue with the results. My rifles flat out kick butt with this stuff no matter who's driviing them.
    I have a pound of N550 I've been meaning to try and may do so shortly. The Lyman book indicates that it is the powder they found most accurate behind both the 168 and 175 SMKs. But yes, it is expensive - almost twice that of RE15. I almost *hope* it's not any better
    In theory, theory and practice are equivalent. In practice, they are not.

  30. #30
    Gunny Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    JGorski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Central Wis.
    Posts
    2,815
    Quote Originally Posted by greybeard View Post
    What is your load for the 2000MR, 168AMAX and the 178AMAX.
    Im using Lapua brass, 42grs RE15 & 47grs CFE223 & 2000MR(168s), 47.5grs 2000MR with 178s(WIN brass). Win brass will hold a bit more, so maybe another couple or so tenths might be in order there. I always shoot 5 shot groups.

    Last edited by JGorski; 03-05-2013 at 01:48 PM.
    Longrifles Inc. 6Creed, 28" HV Bart, X-treme S/S action,T4 Manners, 8-32 Sightron Tac w/2MOA reticle, TPS 30mm rings, CG 2 stage trigger.
    Coming soon: Longrifles Inc 6 Creed, trued 700 action, 28" HV Bart, T2 manners, Jewell trigger, TPS rings and 20moa base, Sightron 10-50x60mm.
    700 SPSS 308, H-S stock,Jewell trigger, 6-24 Sig. TPS rings & 20moa base.

  31. #31
    Gunny Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    JGorski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Central Wis.
    Posts
    2,815
    Quote Originally Posted by Walt K View Post
    Like Glen D. Zediker said in his book: " If your .308 bolt gun doesn't shoot well with IMR 4064, you probably have a gun problem."
    Id say the same about RE15, Ive got some really good results with IMR4064 as well.
    Longrifles Inc. 6Creed, 28" HV Bart, X-treme S/S action,T4 Manners, 8-32 Sightron Tac w/2MOA reticle, TPS 30mm rings, CG 2 stage trigger.
    Coming soon: Longrifles Inc 6 Creed, trued 700 action, 28" HV Bart, T2 manners, Jewell trigger, TPS rings and 20moa base, Sightron 10-50x60mm.
    700 SPSS 308, H-S stock,Jewell trigger, 6-24 Sig. TPS rings & 20moa base.

  32. #32
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    New Iberia, Louisiana
    Posts
    290
    Quote Originally Posted by GhostFace View Post
    IMR 4885 & 4064 for my match loads. I played with Varget once but the whole lot thing a few years back turned me off to it. I would like to try some 8208 but I have not seen any reports with anything above 168 grns. I only shoot heavies...
    If you're shooting heavies 8208 isnt gonna be your best bet. Stick with Varget, AR Comp, RL 15, 4064, 2000MR, etc.

  33. #33
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Miami, FLA.
    Posts
    345
    Quote Originally Posted by spamassassian View Post
    I have a pound of N550 I've been meaning to try and may do so shortly. The Lyman book indicates that it is the powder they found most accurate behind both the 168 and 175 SMKs. But yes, it is expensive - almost twice that of RE15. I almost *hope* it's not any better
    Im almost sure you will love it. I believe that N550 and N150 are similar but don't quote me. If so try +/- 43.6gr.

  34. #34
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Spartanburg, SC
    Posts
    373
    I'd be happy if I could find Rl15, Varget, H-4895(my favorite!), or VV N150. As it stands, all I have access to is RL 17 so I'm going to give it a whirl. I've had 8lbs of Benchmark on order from Grafs for over a month now, so maybe it will be here soon. It works well with 155's.

  35. #35
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    spamassassian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    New Mexico, USA
    Posts
    164
    Quote Originally Posted by cuffm4615 View Post
    Im almost sure you will love it. I believe that N550 and N150 are similar but don't quote me. If so try +/- 43.6gr.
    I was planning to start with 44.0 gr. N550 in an attempt to get a similar pressure to 40.2 g RL15 but will give your 43.6 a try first.
    In theory, theory and practice are equivalent. In practice, they are not.

  36. #36
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    NoFail's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    S.F. Bay Area
    Posts
    800
    I shoot 168 AMAX.

    Varget for my JP Supermatch .308 barrel likes 42.9 grains a lot. 45.2 grains for for velocity works well too.

    H4895 43.6 grains it likes it a lot too.

    IMR 4064 45.5 grains works just as good, maybe a little better than Varget.


    178 AMAX

    CFE223 46.8 grains. Like this powder a lot to get the heavier bullet going. Accuracy is sub 1" at 100 yards out of my 16" LR308 same barrel. Waiting summer temps to test, will work up again to see if 46.8 grains CFE shows any pressure problem. May have to reduce load for summer I dunno.

    Edit; should mention the brass is Hornady .308 Match. All these loads I used Remington #9 1/2 primer. Will try different types.
    Last edited by NoFail; 03-06-2013 at 04:26 PM.
    I do not always handload using heavy bullets, but when I do I prefer them over CFE223.

  37. #37
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    ny state
    Posts
    698
    Varget and Vita Vhouri N 140..

  38. #38
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Ontario . Canada
    Posts
    258
    Tagging this for when powder comes back online

    Kyle

  39. #39
    Pirate
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Pensacola, fl
    Posts
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Macmathews View Post
    Tagging this for when powder comes back online

    Kyle
    x2 lots of good info.

  40. #40
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Montana
    Posts
    266
    My 308 semi-auto project just started as well. I have a Smith&Wesson m&p10, and a Black Rain Ordinance BRO-PG15 Both 18" barrels. I'm gunna try varget, ar-comp, TAC, and VV N-140 to use. The only brass I can find has been lapua.

  41. #41
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Montana
    Posts
    266
    The ar comp produced the best results for 77gr 5.56 Sierra match kings out of a DD V7 16". Have yet to try the vv n-140 in 5.56.

  42. #42
    Private
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    nor cal
    Posts
    1
    Can't go wrong with IMR 4064.

  43. #43
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Strive4More's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Crestview, FL
    Posts
    291
    Quote Originally Posted by chefcam864 View Post
    I'd be happy if I could find Rl15, Varget, H-4895(my favorite!), or VV N150. As it stands, all I have access to is RL 17 so I'm going to give it a whirl. I've had 8lbs of Benchmark on order from Grafs for over a month now, so maybe it will be here soon. It works well with 155's.
    N150 in stock at Grafs

    Graf & Sons - Smokeless Powder
    chefcam864 likes this.
    "-Anyone who disses 10mm is probably a godless commie.
    -Movie tough guys smoke unfiltered cigarettes, 10mm smokes bad guys.
    -The craters on the moon were caused by a drunk redneck with a 10mm." GT's infamous 10mm rant

  44. #44
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    M_16_4_REAL's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    161
    Since vaget doubled in price and disappeared I've had to try a couple powders I wouldn't normally go with. I've had really good results with imr 4064 and 178 amax's. Also ar-comp has proven amazing with 155 smk's out to 750. I'm running 20" aac-sd. Have a few other powders but these two shot consistent and just as good or better than the Varget. So I might not be going back to the vargay anyhow.

  45. #45
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Montana
    Posts
    266
    Not sure if I was actually successful in getting these pics uploaded but these are some results I got at 100 yards with a black rain 308 and ar-comp with 168 gr Sierra bthp. I was happy with it. Didn't have enough time to shoot all the loads I had for it before the storm rolled in.
    Attached Images Attached Images

  46. #46
    Sergeant
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    WillAdams's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    20Minutes from HARDROCK, AL, USA
    Posts
    419
    155 gr use IMR4895, 168 > 175gr try N150, 175 > 185gr look at N550, RL17 or 2000MR.
    Have a good one,
    Will

    NRA Life Member
    ARMY Engineer Assoc.
    Oath Keeper




  47. #47
    Private
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    10
    I get sub 1/4 groups with h380 with 185+ pills.... YES I said H380, and them suckers are cookin when they come out of the tube. Also had slow, but excellent results with IMR 4064 with 178gr amax's. N-140 is great too but I feel like the extremely inconsistent kernel sizes can produce flyers if not careful while weighing charges. Varget, IMR 4064, and N-140 are extremely accurate powders with all weights of bullets but all 3 produce less than stellar velocities with 175+ Grain projectiles.

  48. #48
    Team Douchenozzle
    Follows
    1
    Following
    0
    VJJPunisher's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    prison purse
    Posts
    3,713
    I've found when powder is scarce just stack 8-10 primers on top of each other and drop em in the case
    KACHI KAPSHIDA

  49. #49
    Private
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Illinois
    Posts
    88
    43.3gr IMR4064 w/168 Hornady Match pills, 22" barrel.

  50. #50
    Private
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Commiefornia
    Posts
    84
    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee5425 View Post
    Sounds like Varget is pretty popular. I meant to add that I will be using 168 gr match bullets. Right now I've got some Hornady 168 amax. How about some recipes using the varget. I don't have any newer reloading manuals.
    Take Aim at Rifle Reloading Data | Hodgdon Reloading

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast