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    Alternative Powders for 6.5 Creedmoor

    Ok, I'm almost out of H4350 and can't find any. I have the following powders but am not sure all are suitable.

    RL 15
    RL 19
    RL 7

    H Benchmark
    H Varget

    XMR 4350

    IMR 4895
    IMR 4350
    IMR 4320
    IMR 4227
    IMR 4189
    IMR 4064
    IMR 3031

    I've seen a few loads posted for Varget but nothing else on my list. How do you guys work up a load from powder that is deemed to be suitable for a particular cartridge?

    The factory data is great to have but I think it's hindered experimentation with this round.

    Any help is appreciated.

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    Depends on the bullet....
    For Hodgdon powder, check out their online data. http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp
    I'm sure other manufactures offer something similar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCH View Post
    what bullet?
    Brain fart. 140 Hornady BTHP Match and the 140 AMax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thrusty View Post
    Depends on the bullet....
    For Hodgdon powder, check out their online data. http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp
    I'm sure other manufactures offer something similar.
    That's exactly what I needed. Thanks
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    Rl17. I'm running it in my .260, 44.5gr under a 140 amax going 3000fps

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    H414
    VvN150
    AA2700
    IMR4350
    AA4350
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    H-HYBRID100v
    VvN550
    H or Imr4831
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    VvN160


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    Quote Originally Posted by Casey Simpson View Post
    H414
    VvN150
    AA2700
    IMR4350
    AA4350
    Norma204
    H-HYBRID100v
    VvN550
    H or Imr4831
    Ramshot Hunter
    VvN160
    Hey Casey,

    Do you have any load data. I'd be interested in the 4831's and the 4350's data.

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    I just started reloading the Creedmoor but have been developing load data: I use RL 17 with a 142 Sierra BTHP - 22.5" Bartlein BlackOps Rifle.

    42.3 Grains of RL 17 at .10 off the lands at 2.840" COAL and average 2720fps

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    Quote Originally Posted by sab9259 View Post
    Rl17. I'm running it in my .260, 44.5gr under a 140 amax going 3000fps
    what length barrel are you running?

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    I just loaded up 20 rounds of RL17+120AMAX's today. The 120's with RL17 shot real well for break in.
    Did this 3 shot group (100yd, best of 4 groups most avg. at 3/4") today on a brandnew 26" savage barrel:


    I'm putting some 140AMAX's together tonight with RL17 and V100 as well. I don't have a chrono yet so I'm loading conservatively per the Hornady Manual. I'm planning on loading them to 2.810
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSTARSZ View Post
    what length barrel are you running?
    26" bartlein

    Last edited by sab9259; 03-23-2013 at 08:57 PM.

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    sab9259; that is awesome. Is your OAL 2.87 or 2.81?
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    SAB9259 - I have been hesitant to get into that range of powder charge (44.5) due to what I have been hearing about Hornady brass leaking primer pockets. I have found a charge that basically replicates the speed of the Hornady 140 AMAX at 2710. Have you seen any issues with your brass after that high of a charge? Also, were there any pressure signs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSTARSZ View Post
    SAB9259 - I have been hesitant to get into that range of powder charge (44.5) due to what I have been hearing about Hornady brass leaking primer pockets. I have found a charge that basically replicates the speed of the Hornady 140 AMAX at 2710. Have you seen any issues with your brass after that high of a charge? Also, were there any pressure signs?
    Be careful! Per his post, Sab is running a .260, NOT a 6.5 Creedmoor.

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    With the 140 class I stick with H4831SC in my .260. I haven't reloaded for my creedmoor but thought that the H4831SC would be a good choice when I did. With the 120 grain class Varget should work great. Good luck
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    42.5 RL17 is my go to with the 142 SMK. I like H4350 with the 130VLD though. of course you have neither of those. If you're looking on the Hodgdon guide you should be finding something but I don't think anything will perform as well as the two I listed.
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    Yes im running a .260, not a 6.5 so use caution.

    Ive seen no pressure signs of hard lift.

    OAL of 2.87. The barrel has over 2k rounds on it i juiced up the load to get into the 3k fps range. My previous load was 43gr of h4350 running 2850

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdne5b View Post
    Be careful! Per his post, Sab is running a .260, NOT a 6.5 Creedmoor.
    ah ha...who sneaked that 260 into a Creedmoor thread? I guess reading comprehension is a must

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdne5b View Post
    Be careful! Per his post, Sab is running a .260, NOT a 6.5 Creedmoor.
    I was thinking that was pretty hot for a 6.5CM.
    BTW, what is XM4350? Is it surplus powder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shoot4fun View Post
    42.5 RL17 is my go to with the 142 SMK. I like H4350 with the 130VLD though. of course you have neither of those. If you're looking on the Hodgdon guide you should be finding something but I don't think anything will perform as well as the two I listed.
    Awesome load. I'm hoping to get started on a few boxes of 142smk's myself. I would love it if they like rl17! You have my hopes up.
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    It has been exceptionally accurate so far. The knock on RL powders has been that they are temp sensitive but I have not noticed it so much with RL17. This load is shooting at or below 1/2 MOA in two different rifles.
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    Continuing the conversation of the use of alternative powders for the 6.5mm Creedmoor. I had the opportunity to take the Creedmoor out today and air it out a tad. I had two steel targets set-up - one at 580 yards and the other at 880 yards. I am using RL 17 with 42.3Gr's on a 142 Sierra BTHP at it runs 2740fps out of a Bartlein 22.5" Barrel and the rifle is a BlackOps Precision Recon. The MOA to 580 was 11.5 and the 23 MOA out to 880 yards. My partner was shooing a Bartlein 20" 308 and it was fun to see the two rifles work at those distances. Just watching the bullet trace of the 308 and the 6.5 Creedmoor was lesson enough to know why I am starting to really love the flat shooting Creedmoor.

    It was a beautiful day at around 55 degrees with a small amount of breeze - around 3MPH constant but it did eek up to 7 MPH in the gusts and the wind was ever changing and shifting from right to left. I worked a lot of just watching the mirage for changes.


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    Varget and even Win 748 showed promise (just over 0.50 MoA with a light load)
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    Quote Originally Posted by shoot4fun View Post
    It has been exceptionally accurate so far. The knock on RL powders has been that they are temp sensitive but I have not noticed it so much with RL17. This load is shooting at or below 1/2 MOA in two different rifles.
    I can't get my SMK142's to shoot anywhere near my Bergers or AMAX's....yet. The smk142 is one moa+ the Bergers are 1/2" or less. I think I need to change powder with the 142 or change the seating depth. At 2.820 and 40.5 or 40.8 gr of v100 they just aren't performing for me, and since I don't have a lot of extra pow I'm done messing with them for a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demolitionman View Post
    I can't get my SMK142's to shoot anywhere near my Bergers or AMAX's....yet. The smk142 is one moa+ the Bergers are 1/2" or less. I think I need to change powder with the 142 or change the seating depth. At 2.820 and 40.5 or 40.8 gr of v100 they just aren't performing for me, and since I don't have a lot of extra pow I'm done messing with them for a bit.
    demo, get rid of the 100V. That powder has been the worst Hodgdon has ever come up with. I have tried the one pound I have in several different calibers and it sucked in every one.
    The best two powders for 6.5CM are RL17 and H4350. Play with seating depth on the SMK. They like some jump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shoot4fun View Post
    demo, get rid of the 100V. That powder has been the worst Hodgdon has ever come up with. I have tried the one pound I have in several different calibers and it sucked in every one.
    The best two powders for 6.5CM are RL17 and H4350. Play with seating depth on the SMK. They like some jump.
    Oh man, I didn't know that V100 wasn't a good choice. I can't find anymore RL-17, and can't find h4350. The only pow I can reliably get locally seems to be V100, and I figured since I was seeing 1/2" or less out of my Berger130's with it it was decent stuff. I tried researching the consensus on v100 and there just isn't much real world results showing up online. Good to know about giving the 142's some jump. I have a 1 lb of h4350 and 1lb of Varget. I was waiting to use those up after barrel break in.
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    Running 42.5 grains of RL-17 with 142 gr SMK loaded 2.875 OAL in my .260 Rem. My 24" Wells Custom is running 2905 fps at 50 degrees. Getting about .4" at 100. That's with necked down M852 LC brass and Fed 210M

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    This is what my SMK's are doing with 40.8 or 40.5gr of V100 @ 100yds:
    LOL, needless to say, I need some serious load development on these SMK's.
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    I have 5 lbs of IMR 4350 as backup powder when the H4350 runs out. I also have Superformance, but it's really temp sensitive and I'd prefer not to use it.

    Yeah demo, that's right at 1 MOA. I shot this with 120 AMax factory:



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