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    6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Been looking at both chamberings for when I rebarrel and have seen some good info on the two. Currently run a 26" 260 Rem that is super accurate and easy to load for. This rifle will primarily be used for matches. What are some thoughts/suggestions regarding these two rounds?
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    The 6 creed will get you significantly more velocity than a 6xc to the tune of 200fps. Both are very accurate and both are single source suppliers on brass. I think you'd be happy with either. Good luck with your decision.

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Thanks for the input Dustin, I've seen how most of you PRS guys are going to 6mm of some flavor and for good reason, they're flat with no recoil. I plan on using the 105 Berger Hybrid, does it really need to go over 3000 fps?
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    currently the 6 creedmoor reloading supplies are much easier to find and cheaper. that alone would have me going that route. mind you this is coming from a guy who just ordered another standard 243 barrel

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Originally Posted By: TeamSendIt
    currently the 6 creedmoor reloading supplies are much easier to find and cheaper.....


    Do you simply create the 6mm brass form 6.5? Not referenced on Hornady's site.

    I did a quick search and saw that it looked to be available at GAP but did not see any brass listed on their web site. Plus the 6mm CM dies just referenced use in the GAP-10.

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    You call GAP to get the 6mm Creed head stamped brass
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Originally Posted By: Special Delivery
    Thanks for the input Dustin, I've seen how most of you PRS guys are going to 6mm of some flavor and for good reason, they're flat with no recoil. I plan on using the 105 Berger Hybrid, does it really need to go over 3000 fps?


    It does not have to go over 3000 to shoot good. But with a XC 3050 fps range is easy to hit. They shoot bugholes at that speed so why slow her back?

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Unless you will be loosing alot of brass I would also consider a 6 x 47 Lapua. Sounds like guys are doing real well with it. Really you won't go wrong with any one of these rounds. [img]<>/grin.gif[/img]

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    After looking at all the options looks like 6XC might be a winner. I also have a buddy of mine going the 6XC route but wanted to hear some other thoughts on the 6mm options. Thanks
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Special Delivery,

    Great choice on the 6XC. Very good round. If David Tubbs shoots it, there can't be much to be improved on. LOL. [img]<>/laugh.gif[/img]

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    As for Brass, I have necked down 6.5 a lot and 250-3000 necks down to 6 creed pretty easily as well.
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    I couldve got either one of course, I decided on the 6 Creed. With RE17 either one will get over 3300fps(Moly coated) with 105s. Here's my 6 Creed. 28" HV Bartlein, T4 manners, CG trigger, 8-32 Tac Sightron, X-treme S/S action. http://www.6mmbr.com/reloder17.html
    Longrifles Inc. 6Creed, 28" HV Bart, X-treme S/S action,T4 Manners, 8-32 Sightron Tac w/2MOA reticle, TPS 30mm rings, CG 2 stage trigger.
    Coming soon: Longrifles Inc 6 Creed, trued 700 action, 28" HV Bart, T2 manners, Jewell trigger, TPS rings and 20moa base, Sightron 10-50x60mm.
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Both Copper Creek and McCort amunition have several loadings for the 6mm Creedmoor on properly headstamped brass. We have the Brass in stock along with Dies. The 6mm Creed is anout .030 longer than the 6XC. The Brass is better than 1/2 Price and easily available. I think the last big LR match there were 3 guys shooting 6XC's and over 12 shooting 6mm Creedmoor.

    The Brass that Hornady made for us is on par with Lapua, just ask anyone that has purchased it.
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Well George, this might change things around...I might just go this route and compare the 6 Creed to my buddies 6XC. I don't know..Odviously not a bad decision to be making but I hate having to choose when they are this close to each other.
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Correction
    I made 6 creed brass out of some 300 savage not 250/3000.
    Ren it through a 6.5 creed body die then ran them through the6 creed die and shot them .
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    What are you guys using for dies for the 6 Creed???
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    What, no love for the 6mm Super LR??
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Originally Posted By: jcvibby
    What are you guys using for dies for the 6 Creed???


    Hornady makes them....
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Originally Posted By: jcvibby
    What are you guys using for dies for the 6 Creed???


    Jake,
    I have been using a Redding 6.5 creedmoor type S full length die with a .268 neck bushing in it...

    All my 6 creedmoor brass is made from 22-250 Winchester brass. Simple and cheap.

    You can also call GAP and buy a 6mm creedmoor FL die from them.

    The Creedmoor over the XC...have had several of both...can use 4831 if you choose and you don't have to push the pressure for the 3000+ velocity.
    The equipment worked fine and the bullets went in the direction the muzzle was pointed. All the mistakes I made were the result of headspace problems - they happened between the ears. - Graham...following the 2010 SH Cup

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    I don't have any 6mms, but wouldn't mind getting one for my daughters first long range rig. Why not straight .243win? It's what I started on as a kid-what makes the hardcore comp guys go 6xc or 6 creedmore? I load everything so no worries there, but all other things equal I usually go with the most available factory chambering just in case and for component availability. So are these three basically equal for shooting up to 1000 yards?
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Nothing at all wrong with a straight .243. It's my 6mm of choice.

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Originally Posted By: Rob01
    Nothing at all wrong with a straight .243. It's my 6mm of choice.


    sure makes for easy and relatively cheap brass, huh Rob

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    flip a coin

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Originally Posted By: Rob01
    Nothing at all wrong with a straight .243. It's my 6mm of choice.


    How much barrel life are you getting Rob?
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Originally Posted By: Special Delivery
    Originally Posted By: Rob01
    Nothing at all wrong with a straight .243. It's my 6mm of choice.


    How much barrel life are you getting Rob?




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    Barrel life was the main reason why I went with the 6XC. Not to mention the facts like: quality brass is avalable without fireforming, its as easy to load for as 308, it feeds flawlessly in AICS mags, 3,000 fps it easily acheived even in 25" barrels and it's as inherently accurate as anyone needs to be.

    I couldn't be any happier with my "Crusader-esque" 6XC that Moon built for me two years ago.
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Originally Posted By: 9sigman45
    Originally Posted By: Special Delivery
    Originally Posted By: Rob01
    Nothing at all wrong with a straight .243. It's my 6mm of choice.


    How much barrel life are you getting Rob?




    Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!
    Barrel life was the main reason why I went with the 6XC. Not to mention the facts like: quality brass is avalable without fireforming, its as easy to load for as 308, it feeds flawlessly in AICS mags, 3,000 fps it easily acheived even in 25" barrels and it's as inherently accurate as anyone needs to be.

    I couldn't be any happier with my "Crusader-esque" 6XC that Moon built for me two years ago.


    "Facts"? WRONG.
    Quality brass is available for the 243 from multiple sources. Who fireforms 243 or 6CM? No One. Both are EXTREMELY easy to load and very forgiving. Both feed flawlessly in AICS mags. Both can get to 3000 fps in a 25" barrel.
    Barrel life is >2000 rounds.

    If you're truly planning on shooting this rifle in many comps, plan on losing a lot of expensive brass.

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    So what is the cost of the 6 Creed brass per 100 pieces? I'm still on the fence on which 6mm is next on the list.

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Originally Posted By: jcvibby
    What are you guys using for dies for the 6 Creed???

    had Hornady make me some custom dies with a reamer print, both FL & NS bushing dies.
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Originally Posted By: GoldenRSR
    So what is the cost of the 6 Creed brass per 100 pieces? I'm still on the fence on which 6mm is next on the list.

    GAP sells that brass for $63/100.
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    6mm Creed is really just 22-250 brass neckd up to 6mm? Anything else need to be done to the brass to make it 6 creed brass?
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Originally Posted By: jcvibby
    6mm Creed is really just 22-250 brass neckd up to 6mm? Anything else need to be done to the brass to make it 6 creed brass?


    They have to be fire formed...

    I load the first time with light bullets and use them for practice. Works great...or on a dog town.
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    So the process for making 6 Creedmoor brass should be the same as 6XC, right? FL size 22-250, then fireform?

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    I decided it would be best to buy 6Creed Brass instead of form it.

    Just picked up 1K from Gap and a set of dies.

    George says the brass is great, so I trust his opinion. It sure does look good!!!
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    AS i,m a short barrel fan and there is no COTS 7mm solution, 6CM from a 20" barrel would rock running 105.
    For now i,m staying with 6.5x47, hoping Frank gets my barrel out to me soon.

    Just to clarify
    XC is based on 22-250 however the CM is based on 30TC
    So necking down 30TC will yield CM, necking up 22-250 will not yield CM brass.
    Thou there is nothing wrong with 6-250, necked up 22-250.

    My only concern would be barrel life of 6cm, thou melonite may improve, Would be surprised if got better than 2k.

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    I'm pretty sure the barrel life of the 6CM is north of 2,500.
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Originally Posted By: Special Delivery
    I'm pretty sure the barrel life of the 6CM is north of 2,500.


    It is according to many whom are running it as match guns. I have 2k on a barrel right now and its still shooting great.

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Originally Posted By: JGorski
    I couldve got either one of course, I decided on the 6 Creed. With RE17 either one will get over 3300fps(Moly coated) with 105s. Here's my 6 Creed. 28" HV Bartlein, T4 manners, CG trigger, 8-32 Tac Sightron, X-treme S/S action. http://www.6mmbr.com/reloder17.html

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Originally Posted By: Mike
    Originally Posted By: 9sigman45
    Originally Posted By: Special Delivery
    Originally Posted By: Rob01
    Nothing at all wrong with a straight .243. It's my 6mm of choice.


    How much barrel life are you getting Rob?




    Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!
    Barrel life was the main reason why I went with the 6XC. Not to mention the facts like: quality brass is avalable without fireforming, its as easy to load for as 308, it feeds flawlessly in AICS mags, 3,000 fps it easily acheived even in 25" barrels and it's as inherently accurate as anyone needs to be.

    I couldn't be any happier with my "Crusader-esque" 6XC that Moon built for me two years ago.


    "Facts"? WRONG.
    Quality brass is available for the 243 from multiple sources. Who fireforms 243 or 6CM? No One. Both are EXTREMELY easy to load and very forgiving. Both feed flawlessly in AICS mags. Both can get to 3000 fps in a 25" barrel.
    Barrel life is >2000 rounds.

    If you're truly planning on shooting this rifle in many comps, plan on losing a lot of expensive brass.



    Mike,
    You're reading too much into my post. My "facts" are from my first hand real life experiences with the 6xc, not internet folklore. I never said that the 243 WIN or 6CM wouldn't do the same things, just that the 6xc does.

    But now that you mentioned it, I've never owned a 243, how does it stack-up in barrel life? My 6xc has 2,300 rounds down the tube, and was still capable of allowing my 16 year old son to score a 198-14x (off a bipod) at a 600 yard F-class match last month. Guess it still has a little barrel life left ;>).

    No worries about "loosing expensive brass". Back when I bought 500 pieces of Norma from DT it was only $65/100 and 300 are still untouched. yeah, that's right, 2,300 rounds down the tube with only 200 pieces of brass (minus the 1 piece that did blow a primer in my son's last match).

    I beive that about covers it; and hopefuly clarifies my comment, with nothing being "wrong".
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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Originally Posted By: Special Delivery
    Originally Posted By: Rob01
    Nothing at all wrong with a straight .243. It's my 6mm of choice.


    How much barrel life are you getting Rob?


    My last match rifle which was shot hard and fast was at about 1850 rounds and still at 1/2 MOA when I sold it to build a new one. I wanted to build off a Surgeon in a Manners T3 and that was a GAP7000 in a McMillan M40A1.

    Barrels are expendable so if I get over 2000 rounds I am happy. That rifle won me more than it cost a few times over so a new barrel would have been like changing tires.

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

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    I couldve got either one of course, I decided on the 6 Creed. With RE17 either one will get over 3300fps(Moly coated) with 105s. Here's my 6 Creed. 28" HV Bartlein, T4 manners, CG trigger, 8-32 Tac Sightron, X-treme S/S action. http://www.6mmbr.com/reloder17.html

    That is a sweet looking paint job. Did you do yourself? if so how?


    Thank you, Chad Dixon did the paint, its called Alpine Holographic, $325 for that paint, btw.
    Longrifles Inc. 6Creed, 28" HV Bart, X-treme S/S action,T4 Manners, 8-32 Sightron Tac w/2MOA reticle, TPS 30mm rings, CG 2 stage trigger.
    Coming soon: Longrifles Inc 6 Creed, trued 700 action, 28" HV Bart, T2 manners, Jewell trigger, TPS rings and 20moa base, Sightron 10-50x60mm.
    700 SPSS 308, H-S stock,Jewell trigger, 6-24 Sig. TPS rings & 20moa base.

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    Originally Posted By: 9sigman45



    Mike,
    You're reading too much into my post. My "facts" are from my first hand real life experiences with the 6xc, not internet folklore. I never said that the 243 WIN or 6CM wouldn't do the same things, just that the 6xc does.

    But now that you mentioned it, I've never owned a 243, how does it stack-up in barrel life? My 6xc has 2,300 rounds down the tube, and was still capable of allowing my 16 year old son to score a 198-14x (off a bipod) at a 600 yard F-class match last month. Guess it still has a little barrel life left ;>).

    No worries about "loosing expensive brass". Back when I bought 500 pieces of Norma from DT it was only $65/100 and 300 are still untouched. yeah, that's right, 2,300 rounds down the tube with only 200 pieces of brass (minus the 1 piece that did blow a primer in my son's last match).

    I beive that about covers it; and hopefuly clarifies my comment, with nothing being "wrong".
    Enjoy.


    The key word was "facts" as if it was indisputable. If you had just said "in my experience" it would have been different.

    Many of us have had 243 with barrel life going >2000 rounds. Moon from Crescent Customs (formerly of GAP) had a 243 that was >3000 rounds and still shot sub moa. That may have been an exception however I think people get wrapped around the "barrel life" issue a little too tightly.

    Brass is expensive now. If you bought good brass before for a low price I don't believe that's what it is now. I think quality brass is getting real expensive lately and when the performance is on par with expensive brass it's a difficult justification.

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    Re: 6XC vs. 6mm Creedmoor

    I really like that 6xc. Norma sells the brass ready to go and its an efficient round. I competed in the Vortex Extreme this year and the two guys that won were shooting the 6xc. I was just out to have fun and it was the first time I had shot at the Spirit Ridge Rifle Golf range but next year I think I might show up with a 6xc.

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    Bringing this back around, anymore input out there about the 6 Creed or 6XC? Pics, Data, Match results etc...
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    Guess Ill have to wait and see come May 1st, Ill be testing my 6 Creedmoor at 300yds. The creed & XC are so close in design so Ill buy the brass thats less expensive. And I can always use my 22-250 brass and run it thru my creed dies, fireform it and Im set.
    Longrifles Inc. 6Creed, 28" HV Bart, X-treme S/S action,T4 Manners, 8-32 Sightron Tac w/2MOA reticle, TPS 30mm rings, CG 2 stage trigger.
    Coming soon: Longrifles Inc 6 Creed, trued 700 action, 28" HV Bart, T2 manners, Jewell trigger, TPS rings and 20moa base, Sightron 10-50x60mm.
    700 SPSS 308, H-S stock,Jewell trigger, 6-24 Sig. TPS rings & 20moa base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp9 View Post
    So the process for making 6 Creedmoor brass should be the same as 6XC, right? FL size 22-250, then fireform?

    All I did was run the 250 brass thru my creed die, did not have to push any shoulder back, loaded them up with 30.5grs RE15 and a 105, & fireformed them, done. H20 capacity went from 46.5 to 51.5.
    Last edited by JGorski; 04-04-2013 at 12:30 PM.
    Longrifles Inc. 6Creed, 28" HV Bart, X-treme S/S action,T4 Manners, 8-32 Sightron Tac w/2MOA reticle, TPS 30mm rings, CG 2 stage trigger.
    Coming soon: Longrifles Inc 6 Creed, trued 700 action, 28" HV Bart, T2 manners, Jewell trigger, TPS rings and 20moa base, Sightron 10-50x60mm.
    700 SPSS 308, H-S stock,Jewell trigger, 6-24 Sig. TPS rings & 20moa base.

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    How many reloadings can I expect from 6 Creed or 6XC brass? Just got my barrel in yesterday and its time to make a choice. Asking this because I'm used to Lapua brass for my 260, which has gone through 20 reloadings and the primer pockets are still tight.
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    I know guys with 10+ reloadings on 6CM brass. They're also at nearly 4K rounds on their barrel.

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    Mike, thanks !!! This is what I'm looking for
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    I like this thread. Can someone post GAP's phone # please. For some reason I'm unable to find it on the search engine. My barrel just showed up and I'm converting my 6.5cm to a 6 and need dies.
    Thank you.

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    Contact - GA Precision


    G.A. Precision
    1141 Swift St.
    N. Kansas City, MO, 64116
    Phone Number: +1 816 221 1844
    Fax Number: +1 816 421 4160

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