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    Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    I have inherited a mill and lathe. As one of my first projects, I'm looking at machining my own upper for a 22LR Ruger pistol, instead of buy a Tactical Solution upper. I have taken apart my 22/45 and looked at all of the cuts I will have to make.

    I have bought 1" diameter 6061-T6. I plan on using a barrel liner from Brownells.

    Anyone tried to build their own 22LR upper for a Ruger? Do you have any tips other than its easier to buy a TS upper.
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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    I have thought about this very project. I feel the hardest part would be the feedramp. It seems to me you could make most of the uppper with a set of hand files.

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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    Aren't the uppers on the rugers the serialized "firearm".

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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    Yes...
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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    Originally Posted By: BLK7
    Aren't the uppers on the rugers the serialized "firearm".


    yes, but you can manufacture for your own use, just cant sell it.
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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    For the feed ramp I was planning on mounting the barrel vertical and milling all around the feed ramp. Then tilt the head of the mill at a 45 degree angle and mill the ramp. I will also mill the extractor recess with the head at a 45.

    It will be a fun learning project.
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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    I helped a buddy make one of these.
    We started with 1" OD tubing of the right diameter and simply threaded it to take a factory barrel.
    Start out by installing the barrel.
    That sets where the top is and then you machine the rest per the KT drawings....
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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    Anyone have pics they can post of a homemade upper?
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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    My brother is currently working on an identical project. I'm very interested to see the results.
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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    I picked up my dad's old lathe and mill and started the project today. I spent 2 hours working on the barrel. I threaded the muzzle 1/2x28 and drilled the hole for the barrel liner. I hope to finish the barrel tomorrow and start on the receiver on Tuesday.

    With 1" in diameter 6061-T6 in 12' lengths costing $41 with tax, this is a cheap project to learn how to use a lathe. I'm having a lot of fun playing with this project.



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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    Originally Posted By: Kpurdue04


    Anyone tried to build their own 22LR upper for a Ruger? Do you have any tips other than its easier to buy a TS upper.


    You mean like this?




    I actually started this project before the Pac-Lite uppers were available. I finished the machine work enough to install the barrel and test fired it. Once the TS uppers came on the market, I bought one of those and never finished mine.
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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    Originally Posted By: Kpurdue04
    For the feed ramp I was planning on mounting the barrel vertical and milling all around the feed ramp. Then tilt the head of the mill at a 45 degree angle and mill the ramp. I will also mill the extractor recess with the head at a 45.

    It will be a fun learning project.


    Depending on how long of a barrel you plan on using, that could be a problem with unsupported material. I would lay it sideways and cut the top part then rotate it 90* for the sides.
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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    Originally Posted By: JACQ
    Originally Posted By: BLK7
    Aren't the uppers on the rugers the serialized "firearm".


    yes, but you can manufacture for your own use, just cant sell it.

    A handmade firearm may be sold after being registered and serialized per BATFE spec's its the same with Form 1 nfa items.
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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    Originally Posted By: P.A.R.
    Originally Posted By: JACQ
    Originally Posted By: BLK7
    Aren't the uppers on the rugers the serialized "firearm".


    yes, but you can manufacture for your own use, just cant sell it.

    A handmade firearm may be sold after being registered and serialized per BATFE spec's its the same with Form 1 nfa items.


    Don't forget, and all taxes paid.
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    Originally Posted By: kahekili
    I guess if my ammo is exchanged for freedom, then I would have to say I got a great return on my investment...

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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    Wish somebody would make reasonbly priced lowers.

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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    Originally Posted By: RADcustom
    Originally Posted By: P.A.R.
    Originally Posted By: JACQ
    Originally Posted By: BLK7
    Aren't the uppers on the rugers the serialized "firearm".


    yes, but you can manufacture for your own use, just cant sell it.

    A handmade firearm may be sold after being registered and serialized per BATFE spec's its the same with Form 1 nfa items.


    Don't forget, and all taxes paid.



    In the case of a non NFA firearm there is not any requirement for registration, serialization or taxes of any type. Since you're only making a pistol you don't need any of that stuff. You are allowed to make firearms for your own personal use without even putting a serial number on it. You can legally sell or give one of these homemade firearms away as long as you comply with the laws of your state and the federal regs. One of these regs states that if you are making these to sell you are a manufacturer and must be licensed. I believe there is a reg which states that if you sell a homemade firearm you have to put a serial number on it but I can't guarantee that...read the regs on this not the internet. Since it is going to be a handgun there are some other regs which must be complied with. Lots of internet rumors about whats legal and whats not. Look up reality on the ATF website and don't forget, NFA firearms are those which require registration with the ATF and include Machineguns, Silencers, Short barreled Rifles or shotguns, and a classification called "any other weapon" or AOW. AOW's do not include anything or everything, they are a specific class of NFA weapons which do not fall into the other catagories. They are pen guns, belt buckle guns, guns made from shotgun receivers which have two pistol grips and no stock, combination guns like the H&R Handigun which has a rifled barrel and a smoothbore barrel both less than 18" and a shoulder stock...etc. NFA means National Firearms Act which was the legislation in 1934 that required registration for these specific firearms. Look that one up on google too...interesting info. GCA 68 is another piece of that which modified the regs in 1968 and the McClure-Volkmer Act of 1986 was the last big mod.


    In any case the moral to all this is: No registration required for homemade firearms as long as they aren't covered under the NFA. That means pistols, rifles and shotguns don't need any.

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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    I was referring to the excise tax that manufactures pay on each firearm they produce.
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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    Originally Posted By: RADcustom
    I was referring to the excise tax that manufactures pay on each firearm they produce.


    Excise tax is a completely different can of worms. We pay 11% excise tax on each firearm sold based on the price it sells for. Handguns are taxed at 10%. This tax only applies to licensed manufacturers and only if they produce 50 or more firearms in a calender year. As an individual you don't pay excise taxes on firearms. Most small manufacturers (like me) don't either. ATF has been waffling on their definition of manufacturing though so who knows what the regs will be next week....

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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    The Question posed was selling a handmade/home made firearm, and you can once the proper paper work with serial numbers have been reported to BATFE.
    The same procedure is required if you sell a form #1 weapon as it was not manufactured by a 02 license but by your self.
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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    Thanks for the input! Will make a couple of barrels for now and hold off on the receiver.




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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    Originally Posted By: P.A.R.
    The Question posed was selling a handmade/home made firearm, and you can once the proper paper work with serial numbers have been reported to BATFE.
    The same procedure is required if you sell a form #1 weapon as it was not manufactured by a 02 license but by your self.


    The answer to the question is no paperwork other than what your state and federal regs require for any gun sale. Some states may require handgun sales to go through a dealer and fed law requires a buyer to be 21 yrs of age or older and no felony or domestic violence convictions. You don't need to report any serial numbers to anyone, no other reports are required, no registration or forms to ATF. It is not NFA so no form 1's or any comparison to form 1's. You may not need a serial number at all though I'd check the federal regs first. All the info is available, nothing is hidden its just hard to find the way the govt writes things. Check on some of the other boards like subguns.com, sturmgewehr.com, gunboards.com etc. Some of those guys have the regs memorized or at least where to find particular regs.

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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    Once again threads like this surface. A guys great attempt to do something cool diluted by the mystery surrounding BATF regs.

    When in doubt, call them. When there's further doubt make them explain it in simple english. They work for YOU.

    Then get the persons name and make them cite the reg/statute/law so that you can reference the material.

    Case solved. Now post some more pics! I've always liked the little ruger pistols and have wanted to build one for awhile.

    Great job!

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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    With ya 100% Chad. Shouldn't be that hard and the mystery dissolves when you do some research in the right places. I don't have much faith in talking with ATF about regs as the individuals don't usually know much...sadly. But it couldn't hurt to ask them. Someone there might have an idea of where to look in the regs. They do have links on the ATF website to the regs as well. In any case I didn't mean to hijack the thread but I hate to see bad internet rumor/urban myth info going unchallenged. I don't claim to be an expert but I've been a class 2 manufacturer for 12 years now and have been working with the ATF and firearms for a bit more than that. I see this question come up all the time too so why not pass on what I've found??

    For some helpful info on the build in progress I can make a suggestion on the feedramp. I've built quite a number of High Standard HD Military integral suppressors and part of that is making a barrel from scratch. The barrel has an integral feedramp like the ruger. I turn the barrel a bit long as the OP has shown in his pics, they make a conical internal cut to approximate the angle of the ramp. I cut the chamber a little short at that point then mill off the rear of the barrel to cutaway all that isn't feedramp. With the threaded barrel the ruger has you need to find out where the barrel stops to find out where the top is so you know where the ramp is. Once the ramp is finished I finish the chamber. Its done that way to insure its not pushed off to one side by having the ramp only on one side.

    The ruger receivers are fairly complex but doable. Hope it turns out good and keep at it. No reason it can't be done and its always neat to have something you did yourself.


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    Re: Making your own Ruger Mark II Upper

    Here is another shot of the ejection port. If I remember correctly, this was the hardest cut to replicate with the tooling I had available.
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