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    Pellet Rifle

    I dont know whether this post should go here in the Equipment, down in the marksmanship area or maybe the rimfire??? Mods, feel free to move...

    Anyways, I like to shoot bb/pellet guns in the backyard with my kids. Its good fun, its gets trigger time, and it allows me to teach them firearm safety in a relatively safe atmosphere. Its fun to go after a bird, rabbit, or other such little creature every once in a while too. I had two bb guns, a daisy red rider and a daisy pump. Well after ohhh I dont know 5000 bb's/pellet's through my daisy pump it decided to die. Wont hold pressure, dont want to dick around with it, got in the car went to wallyworld.

    I was originally going down there to get another, exact same type of daisy that had just died on me, but then I saw the "big boys" pellet guns. One in particular was a Beeman dual caliber break barrel pellet rifle. After reading over the box, and about 10 seconds worth of pondering over if I should buy it or not, I was on my way to the checkout counter with the gun in hand. $109.95 later and im driving home with a new pellet rifle.

    Here is a link to Beeman's website and the particular model I bought : Beeman*Silver Kodiak X2 DC AirRfl DualCal 4x32*10774

    First impressions upon taking it out of the box were "woah, this thing is legit". In the box comes a scope (cheap 4x fixed, will be replaced), a .177 barrel, a .22 barrel and a couple of hex keys / allen wrenches for the scope and the barrels. The cool thing I thought was that with a couple turns of an allen head bolt, you can slide one barrel out of the gun and put the other in. I will probably save the .22 barrel for some sort of small game hunting while camping and for tooling around camp.

    I didnt get to shoot it last night, as it was almost 11 before the "honey do" list got accomplished. I did put a .177 pellet in it this morning and just shot it at my brick wall. The damn thing sounded like I just shot a little .22!!!! It actually had recoil, the scope was almost perfectly sighted in from the factory, and based on the hole I now have in my cinder block...I am going to have to re-evaluate the backyard training and probably setup an actual backstop. For being $110 out the door (marked at $98) I am extremely impressed with it. I will update this with an accuracy report when I get a chance to actual shoot at some targets.
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    Yeah Beeman and RWS pellet guns are the real deal, I have an older Beeman Crow Magnum in 25 Cal that thing hammers small game, I think I could drop a deer if I shot in the right area. I also have an older RWS Model 36 that thing is 177 and is alot of fun I love shooting in in my back yard it is super accurate and at 1000fps it really make an impression on my 22cal targets

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    it is a pretty badass little gun. I was TRYING to sight it in completely last night, what a chore!!! the RS2, dual stage trigger in it has such a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong pull to it, thats its ridiculous. I am going to try and fix that tonight. i have 4 scopes laying around right now that have the potential to land on it. the beeman (4x fixed) that it came with, the take off scope from my 700 (3x9), a el cheapo leapers mildot (3x9), or a bushnell (4x12). I dont really see the need for 12x magnification on it though as max usable (kill)range is probably like what, less than 50 yards?
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    You may want to check the rifle scope at the door. I've heard horror stories of break barrel pellet rifles just tearing a good rifle scope a new one. The spring type recoil has a reverse affect on the scope and breaks the reticles is my understanding. Just a heads up and something to think about before you ruin a good scope. Maybe someone else will chime in on this.

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    really? i had never heard that...to the google fu machine!

    http://www.pyramydair.com/article/Th...s_July_2005/23

    interesting write up...
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    We have been playing with the air rifles quite a bit, we destroyed 2 gamos in short order (silent cat and bone collector). They were junk, but WM took them back. They shot minute of paper plate at 25 yards. The beeman is not bad, but the best shooter at wally world is the benjamin 22 cal nitro. has the nicest scope-a 3-9 that adjusted properly to zero. And it shoots absolutely lights out. I actually took it to the range and at the 50 yard was shooting quarter-size groups with bulk lead pellets. We then played with it at the dock and with 2 shots had our drop on a channel marker at ~160 yards (10 feet btw) and had hits at will. The sign was about 24 inches wide and shooting in 8mph breeze. We then destroyed several dozen crabs in 2 feet of water. The suppressor has this thing shooting as quiet as a red ryder. No squirrel is safe in my neighborhood right now. This is an absolute blast for $200 and 500 rounds is $9! Next up is a rattlecan camo job...

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    I regularly decrease the rabbit population around my house with my Beeman and have made some harvests out to 30 to 35 yds with it, average 3/da. I have had it and use it daily for the last 6 years and the scope functions still perfectly just as the rifle. None better for the $$$ IMO.... And yes I have a rabbit infestation!!!
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    Sully, what scope do you have on it?

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    Update...

    I really dig this rifle. I tuned the trigger on it (1 screw) and it has a nice crisp break. The .22 barrel with hunting pellets from wallyworld is capable of being really accurate. Attached are some pictures from last nights shooting session. Shots were from 35 yards target size is 3".

    So far so good on my remington take off scope. No issues with recoil or otherwise.

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    I might pick one of these up for my son that turns 9 this week.
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    I also had to get one of these. Neat little gun! I was quiet amazed at how loud it was. Sounds about like standard vel. 22lr stuff. Bought the gun to shot in the back yard and not raise any eyes from near by LEO's on two sides of the house in a small circle. O'well I really ain't got a real good place for a backstop either my only shooting direction not in line with a house just has to cross two roads. I think I could get away with my suppressed 22lr than the pellet rifle. LOL

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    KHOOKS, awesome...I think you will enjoy it.

    As being one who has a rather strange disgust with stainless / unfinished rifles, I took it upon myself to fix this....

    Updated the scope to a Leapers Mil Dot 3x9 (with MOA adjustments) that i literally had laying around...

    1 can of "Army Green" krylon
    1 can of "Tan" krylon
    a couple sprays of brown
    some stencil work and a couple coats of clear....

    im sort of happy with the outcome...
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    Looks good there Exo. I need to get mine out and put it thru it's paces. If I'd had something like this back when I think I my have got into trouble with it.

    Have you took off the muzzle device to see how big the turned down part is, was thinking maybe seeing if my Sparrow would quiet it down a bit.

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    When I was an SDM instructor at Ft. Lewis, we handed out these modded air rifles (peep sights, same slings as what they were using, similar LOP) and the students would practice during any downtime. They couldn't just be standing around. It was fun though, and we didn't have problem getting contests set up and getting them out there practicing.

    They're just great for marksmanship practice, and awesome for teaching children respect for firearms and wildlife, before allowing them to move up. And those quality powerful ones are good for hunting small game too.

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    KHOOKS, I have not taken the brake/compensator/whatever it is off yet. But I'm there with ya! To put something on there to quiet it a bit more would be awesome.

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    You can take some pretty significant game with the big PCP air rifles. The high end PCP rifles run $1000-3000. These are not your grand dad's air rifles. Check out brands like FX and Daystate. .25 and .30 calibers. You get about 40 shots a fill, 70 FPE energy, 900 FPS. The power is crazy. Go to FX Airguns - Whisper, Royale 400, Cyclone, Gladiator, Monsoon, Revolution and check out the FX line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KHOOKS View Post
    You may want to check the rifle scope at the door. I've heard horror stories of break barrel pellet rifles just tearing a good rifle scope a new one. The spring type recoil has a reverse affect on the scope and breaks the reticles is my understanding. Just a heads up and something to think about before you ruin a good scope. Maybe someone else will chime in on this.
    My RWS Diana M34 ate scopes like candy I tried a bunch of the so called air rifle rated scopes. I finally read that Leupold was the best for air rifles, never had a problem after that.
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    Well so far so good on my little cheapo scope. Its held up just fine. Perhaps on high end, "heavy" recoil air rigs the scopes could get messed up with the forward and backward recoil.

    Here is my question to you all. On 9x I can make all the pellets touch each other on a 3" piece of metal consistently. If I bring my magnification power back to anything less than 9x (including 8.5x) my groups start slinging right. At 3x my shots are almost 1 mil right and about 1/2 mil low. If I don't change anything and push the power back up to 9x it hits whatever I point it at. To try and further debunk this as being marskmanship error, I busted the vice out. Clamped the gun in the vice, shot a 3rd group at 9x with perfect hits. Opened the magnification to 3x and shots were again 1mil right and about 1/2 low.

    Riddle me that! (No seriously please, I'm so confused on this issue)

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    Riddle me that! (No seriously please, I'm so confused on this issue)
    Your scope has a POI shift when the power is changed, which means that it's busted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bohem View Post
    Your scope has a POI shift when the power is changed, which means that it's busted.
    Well don't I feel like a fucktard.....oh well...it shoots like a champ at 9 power...

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    Oh my......
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    Quote Originally Posted by boomdoggie View Post
    Yeah Beeman and RWS pellet guns are the real deal, I have an older Beeman Crow Magnum in 25 Cal that thing hammers small game, I think I could drop a deer if I shot in the right area. I also have an older RWS Model 36 that thing is 177 and is alot of fun I love shooting in in my back yard it is super accurate and at 1000fps it really make an impression on my 22cal targets
    I realize you said "I think I could drop a deer...." not that you've tried but just the thought that anyone would even think about something stupid and un-sporting like that makes me think you don't need any kind of firearm at all.

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    Actually Mike, I saw a picture that Gamo posted on FB of their CEO dropping a 300+ lb pig with one of their air rifles. I am not sure of the size of the pellet, range, ect..but if I remember correctly it was 75-100 yards out

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    From Gamo's website:

    Hunter Extreme SE
    .177 cailber, 1650fps, break barrel air rifle.



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    I still think it's inhumane and cruel to even try it. Sure, it can be done, but at what cost? How many run of injured to die a slow, painful death for the one that you get? I'm not going on a PETA rant here but I do believe in humane ethical hunting.

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    I agree with you, myself...my intended use is for fun / pest control so I don't have an issue hittin small game in my yard because I know they are going to drop dead where they stand. Large game I wouldnt even try.

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    There is a significant market for larger game air gunning that is totally humane. Check out the Yellow Forum (premier airgunning forum). Quackenbush and others make very high power larger caliber air guns that easily take down larger game. We're talking 30 to 50 cal bullet travelling 1000 fps. Impressive.
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    A 30 cal FX will take down a coyote or a deer at 100 yd very easily
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    First Off, I am not stupid enough to try or actually shoot a deer, I am freaking cop. I was mearly saying that if shit hit the fan and the world was comming to an end it may work, of course I have better options then a pellet gun. I think that the bone collector 357 air rifle that they show killing a hog was cruel.